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(1) The Divinity of Christ
(2) The Trinity
(3) The Son ship of Christ
The question can be reframed as how can Jesus be God and not God?
How is Jesus both the 'Son of God' and not the 'son of god'?
How can we best understand the relationship between the God, Christ and the Holy Spirit so as we have a monotheistic as opposed to triune God?
It all could be understood, if people would remain in truth and accept what the Bible tells. But that is not good for the world leaders, they need that people are ignorant and not free.
The question isn’t about uniting Muslims and Christians so they hold the same views about each other’s religions. Of course that can not happen in the foreseeable future. The question is a personal one for each of us. Can we see the message in the Quran and the Gospels as being from the same God?You tell me. Is it possible to get a Muslim to, at the very least, accept the crucification and ressurrection of Jesus? Put aside the Godhood matter. Can a Muslim accept just those two things ? Because there is no way Christians would accept dissenting opinions on this. It is absolutely out of question.
In a sense that is true. As we must die to ourselves to be born into the Spirit of God, so too must religion free itself from the fetters of dogma and superstition to allow the truth to shine resplendent.I voted..... no
religion must die first
One would think that such a stunning event as that of an infant addressing a crowd would be the part of mainstream public knowledge LONG before Muhammad made the claim... 600 years after the supposed event. If true, it would be a foundational part of Christian mythology and yet all we hear on the matter from Christians is the sounds of crickets. Given that no infant has been known to speak words, at a few days old, let alone complete sentences, makes the claim unworthy of a serious response. It's a claim that has no credibility and one, no one, in their right mind, would believe.
You ask us to set aside the question of credibility and yet this is a foundational part of the Islamic Jesus and so cannot just be tossed out the window. It is an obvious fabrication and wholly unreliable. Seriously, the first words out of Christ's mouth was basically a commercial for Islam? Not likely. Again, if true, I'm confident saying this would have been common knowledge by the time Muhammad started his raving.
Further to this, the Muslim Jesus and the Christian Jesus are so radically different that they may as well have been talking about different people. I see no way that the differences can be bridged without ignoring large swaths of both Christian and Islamic dogma.
Interesting question !
I believe that one of the major lessons in life is "Do not Judge others"
If that is true AND God exists AND having these "omni's"
then I understand God created this unsolvable issue (Koan like)
Solution is simple: It will be solved when understanding "Do not Judge others" as being the major lesson to learn
Is it possible to reconcile the apparently disparate theologies of Islam and Christianity?
So what will be the signs of His coming and what do you expect He would say to resolve the matter?If so, how?[/QUOTE
For us, no. Once Christ arrives again, yes.]
I tend to be suspicious of "yes, but" statements
In many cases, no.
And some Muslims believe that the Qur'an was revealed by an archangel. Therefore?Some Jews on RF of a more orthodox perspective seem to believe Mosaic law in its entirety can be established in a modern setting.
There seems to be similar ideas about a heaven and hell along with having angels and demons (or Jinn). How does the Baha'i Faith interpret the Quran's verses that talk about those things?The question isn’t about uniting Muslims and Christians so they hold the same views about each other’s religions. Of course that can not happen in the foreseeable future. The question is a personal one for each of us. Can we see the message in the Quran and the Gospels as being from the same God?
For me personally the Crucifixion literally happened and the verse in the Quran that suggests Jesus wasn’t crucified is simply saying they didn’t kill His Spirit.
The literal resurrection of Christ never happened. His spirit was lifted up to heaven that He could be seated at the right hand of His Father figuratively speaking.
As you may well know, the Q'uran and the Bible have many similarities regarding what they say about Jesus:
1) He was conceived of a virgin
2) He lived on earth as a great prophet (both agree that he was a human being)
3) He performed many miracles
4) He received divine revelations from God
5) He is the spirit of God and the word of God
6) He will come to earth a second time
In terms of the miraculous works of Jesus, I do not think the Muslim or Christian have much dispute over this. The debate starts picking up when you start delving into the nature of Jesus Christ. Muslims strongly reject the notion that God can manifest himself as a human being, and so they reject many core doctrines of the Christian faith:
1) The crucifixion (God cannot die)
2) The resurrection (If God never died, there is obviously no resurrection)
3) God does not need to sacrifice His Son to forgive sins. An omnipotent God would just forgive freely. Killing someone over it would be unjust.
I think both parties can overlook superficial differences, such as whether Jesus really gave life to clay birds as stated in the Q'uran. But things like the death and resurrection of Jesus are central to the Gospel narrative and to the Christian faith. From my point of view, the fundamental theological differences are too great to be compatible, so my answer would have to be no.
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Surah 4:157
Another interpretation I heard from Muslims is that it was actually Judas, the disciple of Jesus, that was crucified in his place. Yes, there is strong historical evidence for the crucifixion of Jesus, but Muslims do not accept any other view besides what they are taught. Much like Jehovah's Witnesses, devotees are strongly advised against interpreting the holy scriptures for themselves, which I believe is much of the problem.
Both of us can say that Surah 4:157 implies that Jesus was killed, but his spirit was not. However that is the Christian/Baha'i interpretation of this particular verse. I mentioned before that it is easy to interpret another religion's scripture to justify one's own worldview. Take for example Isaiah chapter 53. A Christian can easily say that the chapter refers to Jesus, but the Jew will say that they have a different interpretation. Who then has the final say as to what the scripture is actually referring to? Monotheists have a very simple solution to this problem, which is to say that our Scripture (and interpretation) is correct and all others are wrong. Harsh I know, but it actually makes the religion's doctrine more consistent and coherent, and not precarious like you mentioned before.
” I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."