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Officially the investigation now is

Shad

Veteran Member
That was the point. Comey was not investigating Trump so what justice could have been obstructed?

The angle of attack is whether his tweets threatens, awarded or provided pardons to individuals. That can be seen as witness tampering. Hypothetically "fall guy(s)"
 

Shad

Veteran Member
But this is a new investigation its new. You just said so yourself. You said that other investigation was for the Russian collusian, the Russian collusian is the only one Mueller had investigated up till now. This investigation for obstruction because Trump fired Comey is new. He just started his investigation ha!

No it's still part of the collusion and election meddling as per witness tampering. Mueller is looking to see if the tweet influenced anyone.

Hypothetically Trump tweets a promise pardon for X. X rolls over to Mueller but does not provide anything for Mueller regarding Trump. X is pardoned after the case is over. Same idea if he threatened Y or made remarks about Z. Trumps complaining about Session can be seen a number of ways not just regular complaining.
 
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Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Russia spends $70,000,000,000 annually on its military. Do you really think they cannot afford to spend 1% of that ($700,000,000) for cyber warfare?

Sounds like a lot, until you realize the USA is spending $600 billion or nearly ten times that.
Which explains why Putin opts for the higher "bang for the buck" cyber attack method. Given the number of low information voters and freedom to speech laws, it's a no-brainer strategy.

Why bother with military options when, for a few million bucks you can get the USA electoral college to appoint a weak, divisive and incompetent president to do most of the work for you?
Tom
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Which explains why Putin opts for the higher "bang for the buck" cyber attack method. Given the number of low information voters and freedom to speech laws, it's a no-brainer strategy.

Why bother with military options when, for a few million bucks you can get the USA electoral college to appoint a weak, divisive and incompetent president to do most of the work for you?
Tom

I guess you'd have to believe that people change their views in response to constructive arguments or memes. I don't, because my experience is simply that all it does is reinforce their silliness via the backfire effect. :D
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
No it's still part of the collusion and election meddling as per witness tampering. Mueller is looking to see if the tweet influenced anyone.

Hypothetically Trump tweets a promise pardon for X. X rolls over to Mueller but does not provide anything for Mueller regarding Trump. X is pardoned after the case is over. Same idea if he threatened Y or made remarks about Z. Trumps complaining about Session can be seen a number of ways not just regular complaining.


No Mueller said its ab investigation on weather he committed obstruction of justice not the other one. In fact they said Mueller said that are you saying Mueller lied? Hes investigating Trump for obstruction of justice because he fired Comey.

As a matter of fact the Russian collusion probe is already over and they Mueller said in his wrap up of the Russian Investigation that there are no Americans listed and Trump is not a target of that and there aren't any other Americans listed guilty in the Russian probe. His written letter wast that there would be no other Americans in his WRITTEN report no Americans none.

Are you saying Mueller's been lieing this whole time? Maybe we should investigate Mueller. You just wish it was a aprt of the old investigation, he specifically said on the news that it is a part of an investigation on Trump for Obstruction of justice obstruction not collusian with Russia obstrction of justice please get your facts straight you are living in a fantasy world.
 
Context isn't the only problem, all you need here where I am is a D/L or state ID and you can vote since it's the only ID that really matters. No one here is asking for a citizenship document at the voter registration booth. You just need to prove you're a resident of the state. So at least in my area there is nothing stopping illegal aliens from voting. Oh, you showing me an example and "I don't like that example" isn't going to work. If they can vote in a city they can vote in a state because where I am there is ONE voter registration period. My county, town, and state all use the same registration. It's probably the same for everyone else, so what is your argument again?

There is no evidence of illegal immigrants voting in the 2016 election.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/17/fact-checking-claims-voter-fraud-2016/

If you disagree, provide a non-bias source that disproves me.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I am listening to CNN they've got breaking news Mueller is officially investigation Trump for obstruction of Justice in firing Comey yay!
So, this will get him impeached you think?

Is it worse than him grabbing female genitalia (in the eyes of the average beholder)?
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Comey was never the lead on the investigation, so how this becomes obstruction is beyond me other than the usual liberal mental gymnastics. Life is so much better when you despise both parties for what they are. Anyway, Trump has just been letting Mueller hang himself with his own rope and playing out the slack to allow him to do so. Anyone that trusts the FBI at all after these shenanigans is a complete moron, so his actions are profitable. You'll be lucky if we even have an FBI by the end of his term if they keep going.
It’s simple, don’t obstruct an investigation especially for a crime you didn’t commit. Anyone can obstruct just by withholding evidence, they don’t have to be guilty of anything else.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
It’s simple, don’t obstruct an investigation especially for a crime you didn’t commit. Anyone can obstruct just by withholding evidence, they don’t have to be guilty of anything else.
Just two questions?
1. Was Comey directly involved in the investigation?
2. Why by firing Comey would it directly affect any investigation.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Just two questions?
1. Was Comey directly involved in the investigation?
2. Why by firing Comey would it directly affect any investigation.
1. The Russian investigation was started under FBI director Comey
2. Trump fired Comey who was investigating his campaign.

Sounds like you should ask Dolt45 why he fired Comey if he didn't affect the investigation.
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
Once again for those who may have missed/ignored it twice already:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/93527520-132.html
Correct, the FBI investigation is over the Trump campaign colluding with Russia. Where there have been plenty of campaign members lying to the feds.
Don't spin this investigation to be about Trump. It's always been about the campaign.

I guess you should have notified Dolt45 that Comey wasn't investigating him. Seems kinda pointless to fire the head of the investigation right?
 
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