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Do you pray for President Trump?

Do you pray for President Trump?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 40.9%
  • No

    Votes: 13 59.1%

  • Total voters
    22

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
It’s so hilarious to watch Democrats trying to deny Trump’s successes. Even the CEOs. It’s hilarious!!! The list I presented is because of the changes Trump has made happen. Plain and simple.

You lose the debate when you assume I'm a democrat (if you should know I'm registered as an Independent). You also further lose the debate when you are unable to refute my sources especially an organization like factcheck.org.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Honestly...in Roman terms...I couldn't care less about his private life:D
While people should keep the professional and private lives of others separate, it does offer a window into their character, and whether or not they possess any sense of honor, honesty, and integrity; all important aspects of a worthy leader.
my opinion doesn't matter at all- I am from Europe.
I think he's doing a great job...but what matters to me is that Hillary didn't win

Why are you so emotionally invested in another country's politics, anyway? It's not like anyone here gives two ****s about Italy's political soap opera.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
If he’s doing a great job then why would you care that Hillary lost? She would have done polar opposite of what Trump is doing. This means by simple logic and reasoning Hillary would be doing a bad job.

To suggest that, because they were political opponents, they were the inverse of each other in every single possible way is imbecilic logic.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why are you so emotionally invested in another country's politics, anyway? It's not like anyone here gives two ****s about Italy's political soap opera.
Don’t be too sure. Given the choice I am sure there are some people that would rather discuss the former models in the Italian parliament than Hillary Clinton. ;)
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I pray that he will make peace in world ,especially in Middle East.
I think all people of good will would appreciate that.

Do you think the prospects for peace in the Middle East have increased because President Trump is in office, decreased, or haven’t changed?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Is Trump responsible for unemployment in the black community?

"As the chart below illustrates, the black unemployment rate has been in a years-long downward trend that continued under Trump. The part in red represents the months under Trump’s presidency

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When Trump took office in January 2017, the black unemployment rate was 7.8 percent, the lowest it had been in nearly 10 years, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Under Trump, it dropped a full percentage point to 6.8 percent in December. That’s the lowest rate since the bureau began regularly breaking out unemployment rates by race in 1972.

A similar drop of 1 percentage point was recorded during the same 11-month period in 2016. The drop was even more pronounced in each of the three years before that. It fell 1.9 percentage points in 2015, 1.5 percentage points in 2014 and 1.8 percentage points in 2013.

In other words, the downward trend has continued under Trump, albeit at a slower pace than in recent years."

Is Trump responsible for new jobs?

“Since the election, we have created 2.4 million new jobs, including 200,000 new jobs in manufacturing alone. After years of wage stagnation, we are finally seeing rising wages.”

This is half true. The
job numbers are technically correct, but Trump is overstating wage growth and taking credit for jobs added under his predecessor.

Trump’s first year in office was marked by 2.1 million jobs being added to the economy — the slowest year of job growth in six years — while the other job gains came under President Barack Obama. Wages are indeed rising, but they were not exactly stagnate. They’ve been rising steadily for years,
according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/card/fact-check-trump-claims-credit-job-gains-rising-wages-n843031

Is Trump bringing companies back from abroad?

"To be sure, CEOs at the companies Trump listed — all of whom have met personally with Trump since his election — have said they are encouraged by Trump’s promises to cut regulations and lower corporate taxes, moves they said that will allow them to grow.

But are the flurry of recent corporate announcements about investments and job creation in the U.S. symptomatic of the Trump effect? The answer is more complex than Trump’s tweets suggest. Many of the company announcements tweeted by Trump — especially those from GM and Ford — fit a years-long trend......

Ford Motor Co. has been in Trump’s crosshairs since the early days of his presidential campaign when he criticized the automaker for its April 2015 announcement of a $2.5 billion plan to build two new plants in Mexico and expand a third. Trump repeatedly criticized that plan on the campaign trail, vowing that he would threaten to put a 35 percent import tax on Ford unless it moved the plants to the United States. Trump later took credit for pressuring Ford to change its plans and build a new “massive plant” in Ohio. (It turned out Ford had not changed its plans at all.)

On Jan. 3, Ford announced that it was cancelling its plan to build a different $1.6 billion plant in Mexico, and that it planned to invest $4.5 billion over the next five years to ramp up production of electric cars, including an investment of $700 million at its plant in Flat Rock in Michigan to manufacture two of them.

Was Trump responsible for it? In his Jan. 18 tweet, Trump says he was. “Ask the CEOs,” Trump wrote.

Ford CEO Mark Fields lauded Trump’s promise to cut business taxes and reduce regulations as good for Ford’s long-term success, but he said the recently announced changes were market-based.

On Jan. 3, Trump took aim at General Motors, calling out the company for moving production of its Chevy Cruze model to Mexico.

GM responded that Chevrolet Cruze sedans sold in the U.S. are made in Ohio. The company builds the Cruze hatchbacks in Mexico, but the company said only a small number of them are sold in the U.S. In November, CNN reported, GM sold about 16,400 Cruzes in the U.S., and that about 1,600 of them were Mexican-made hatchbacks.

On Jan. 17, GM announced that it was investing $1 billion in U.S. manufacturing operations, resulting in 1,500 “new and retained” jobs.

GM also announced that it would be moving work on axle production for pickup trucks from Mexico to Michigan, creating 450 jobs. And the company said it would be insourcing more than 6,000 IT jobs that were formerly outside the U.S., according to GM Chairman and CEO Mary Barra. Together with “streamlining our engineering operations from seven to three, with the core engineering center being in Warren, Michigan, and building on our momentum at GM Financial and in advanced technologies,” she said, “these moves, and others, are expected to result in more than 5,000 new jobs in the U.S. over the next few years.

But GM leaders stressed that the investments in the U.S. were part of a longtime trend. The company noted that it has announced investments of $2.9 billion in the U.S. in 2016 — and more than $21 billion since 2009.


The insourcing of IT jobs, in particular, has been part of an ongoing strategy.


Source: https://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/trump-jobs-returning-because-of-me/
Remember when he was hanging out with all his racist friends?
https://goo.gl/images/pGoMRB

The simple truth is that for literally decades Trump was accepted by the liberal establishment, even lauded, so long as it could be used as a foil against conservatives. It is only after he became a serious threat that liberal long knifes came out. Don’t think that is so? Watch this clip and consider that no one was calling Trump a racist there.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4620219/donald-trump-jesse-jackson
 
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tytlyf

Not Religious
Remember when he was hanging out with all his racist friends?
https://goo.gl/images/pGoMRB

The simple truth is that for literally decades Trump was accepted by the liberal establishment, even lauded, so long as it could be used as a foil against conservatives. It is only after he became a serious threat that liberal long knifes came out. Don’t think that is so? Watch this clip and consider that no one was calling Trump a racist there.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4620219/donald-trump-jesse-jackson
The economy was doing great under Obama. The fake news outlets were lying to you about the economy. The economy is slowing now that a republican is in office.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Remember when he was hanging out with all his racist friends?
https://goo.gl/images/pGoMRB

The simple truth is that for literally decades Trump was accepted by the liberal establishment, even lauded, so long as it could be used as a foil against conservatives. It is only after he became a serious threat that liberal long knifes came out. Don’t think that is so? Watch this clip and consider that no one was calling Trump a racist there.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4620219/donald-trump-jesse-jackson



I already listed the items that make Trump racist here is a supplemental


"A majority of U.S. voters say President TrumpDonald John Trump2 women win Georgia Dem runoffs, extending streak for female candidatesGiuliani on Trump-Cohen audio: 'I've dealt with much worse tapes than this' Roseanne to sit down with Hannity in first television interview since ABC canceled showMORE has emboldened racists to express their beliefs openly, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

Fifty-five percent of voters said Trump has made it easier for those with racist beliefs to share those views publicly. Thirty-nine percent disagreed."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395375-poll-majority-says-trump-has-emboldened-racists

"Most Americans think President Trump is a racist, according to a new poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

More than half of adults think his policies have worsened the lives of Muslims and Hispanics, while almost half say the president has worsened the lives of African Americans."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-say-trump-is-racist/?utm_term=.3797c7e68492
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Remember when he was hanging out with all his racist friends?
https://goo.gl/images/pGoMRB

The simple truth is that for literally decades Trump was accepted by the liberal establishment, even lauded, so long as it could be used as a foil against conservatives. It is only after he became a serious threat that liberal long knifes came out. Don’t think that is so? Watch this clip and consider that no one was calling Trump a racist there.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4620219/donald-trump-jesse-jackson



I already listed the items that make Trump racist here is a supplemental


"A majority of U.S. voters say President TrumpDonald John Trump2 women win Georgia Dem runoffs, extending streak for female candidatesGiuliani on Trump-Cohen audio: 'I've dealt with much worse tapes than this' Roseanne to sit down with Hannity in first television interview since ABC canceled showMORE has emboldened racists to express their beliefs openly, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

Fifty-five percent of voters said Trump has made it easier for those with racist beliefs to share those views publicly. Thirty-nine percent disagreed."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395375-poll-majority-says-trump-has-emboldened-racists

"Most Americans think President Trump is a racist, according to a new poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

More than half of adults think his policies have worsened the lives of Muslims and Hispanics, while almost half say the president has worsened the lives of African Americans."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-say-trump-is-racist/?utm_term=.3797c7e68492
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Cougarbear: What does "good" or "goodness" mean? We know in his past he is a slimeball. But, has he changed and put aside his lustful ways?
I'm wondering which policies you disapprove of?
1. lower taxation (for the wealthy)
2. less regulations and smaller government? (more pollution/same size govt)
3. Stronger military? (more profits for MIC)
4. Better VA benefits? (doubt it)
5. More pay for the military? (barely, no different than previous admins)
6. 3.7 million new jobs in 20 months of his Presidency? (Lower than Obama and Clinton)
7. Labor Participation Rate increasing? (Thanks Obama)
8. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Women at historic low unemployment? (doubt it)
9. GDP for the 2nd Quarter may be as high as 4.8%? (doubt it)
10. Began talks with NK to denuclearize? (didn't happen)
11. U.S. Embassy in Israel moved to Jerusalem? (not an accomplishment)
12. The Jerusalem Embassy only cost $400,000 instead of the $1 Billion purposed by bureaucrats? (not an accomplishment)
13. Keeping the U.S. a sovereign nations and trying to stop illegal immigration? (not an accomplishment)
14. Pro-police, military and ICE getting rid of MS-13 gangs? (Obama and Clinton were too)
15. Bringing companies back to the U.S. from abroad? (doubt it)

You see, I noticed you didn't source your accomplishment list. Those aren't accomplishments. How about comparing to Obama's accomplishments. Not hypothetical.

1. Passed Health Care Reform
2. Rescued the Economy

3. Passed Wall Street Reform
4. Negotiated a Deal to Block A Nuclear Iran

5. Secured U.S. Commitment to a Global Agreement on Climate Change
6. Eliminated Osama bin Laden
7. Ended U.S. Combat Missions in Iraq and Afghanistan
8. Turned Around the U.S. Auto Industry
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’’

10. Supported Federal Recognition of Same-Sex Marriages
11. Reversed Bush Torture Policies
12. Established Rules to Limit Carbon Emissions from Power Plants
13. Normalized Relations with Cuba
14. Put Medicare on Sounder Financial Footing
15. Protected DREAMers from Deportation
16. Established Net Neutrality
17. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court
18. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards
19. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Funding
20. Improved America’s Image Abroad
21. Left His Mark on the Federal Judiciary
22. Diversified the Federal Bureaucracy
23. Passed Fair Sentencing Act
24. Revived the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division
25. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection

26. Gave the FDA the Power to Regulate Tobacco
27. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense
28. Kick-started Clean Energy Investment
29. Reduced the Threat from Nuclear Weapons
30. Passed Credit Card Reforms
31. Cut Veteran Homelessness by Half
32. Enacted Government Surveillance Reform

33. Expanded Overtime Pay
34. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges
35. Cut the Deficit
36. Created the College Scorecard
37. Improved School Nutrition
38. Expanded the Definition of Hate Crimes
39. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide
40. Strengthened Women’s Right to Fair Pay
41. Secured the Removal of Chemical Weapons from Syria
42. Protected LGBTQ Americans From Employment Discrimination
43. Reduced Discrimination Against Former Prisoners in Federal Hiring
44. Won Major Victories Against Housing and Mortgage Discrimination
45. Expanded Broadband Coverage
46. Expanded Health Coverage for Children
47. Improved Food Safety
48. Let the Space Shuttle Die and Killed the Planned Moon Mission
49. Rebuilt and Fortified the Gulf Coast post-Katrina
50. Avoided Scandal


https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/januaryfebruary-2017/obamas-top-50-accomplishments-revisited/
 

Marsh

Active Member
You mean like what happened with the Inuit?
The Inuit are a slightly different situation, wouldn't you agree? We are talking in their case about what happens, too often, when a stone age culture encounters the modern world. Any decent person would be sympathetic to their plight. My father spent a year in the arctic during the war and told me the "Eskimos" still lived their traditional life style (mind you, they had already swapped out their spears for rifles, and their bone tools for steel knives, but they were still living in igloos); he took a great photo of one Inuit family sitting on raised platforms of ice, covered of course with furs, in their snow homes. What stands out for me is that every person in the group wore huge, genuine, smiles, and traditional animal skin clothing.

I will also mention that I have some letters home my father wrote at that time. What stands out is his first encounter with the Inuit. The native people turned out in large numbers when the icebreaker N.B. McLean arrived as they had a great interest in receiving modern supplies (free handouts) from the Canadian government, which by the way, had made it illegal for the government employees to trade for furs and ivory carvings; though my father said he was shown ways around that injunction (you just had to conceal your activities from the RCMP who would arrive once each year). My dad was only in his early twenties and he wrote at length about his first encounter. He'd never met such a primitive people. What stood out in his mind was the stench. It was not just the unwashed bodies, it was primarily the improperly cured leather clothing that everyone wore. The flesh was cut from the skins which were then chewed by the women until they were further stripped of the remaining flesh and the hides were made supple. By the time dad was in the arctic the second time (again at a Canadian government weather station) housing had been provided, at tax payer expense, and no one in the community he was familiar with lived any longer in igloos. Nor were they wearing the traditional clothing any longer (with the exception of foot wear which the natives deemed better). No one was forced out of their snow homes. They chose to live in the housing built by the government. The thing is no one foresaw the consequences of disrupting the traditional life style.

Now, turn to the Middle East and ISIS and their ilk (ie. Muslim hardliners). What misguided, but benevolent, activity do you see on their part? None. You see rapes, women and girls forced into sex slavery, beheadings, murder of homosexuals and apostates, and complete subjugation of all resistance. Once Islam reaches a critical population level in any country you see a downward spiral into violence. That is what is coming our way!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The Inuit are a slightly different situation, wouldn't you agree? We are talking in their case about what happens, too often, when a stone age culture encounters the modern world. Any decent person would be sympathetic to their plight. My father spent a year in the arctic during the war and told me the "Eskimos" still lived their traditional life style (mind you, they had already swapped out their spears for rifles, and their bone tools for steel knives, but they were still living in igloos); he took a great photo of one Inuit family sitting on raised platforms of ice, covered of course with furs, in their snow homes. What stands out for me is that every person in the group wore huge, genuine, smiles, and traditional animal skin clothing.

I will also mention that I have some letters home my father wrote at that time. What stands out is his first encounter with the Inuit. The native people turned out in large numbers when the icebreaker N.B. McLean arrived as they had a great interest in receiving modern supplies (free handouts) from the Canadian government, which by the way, had made it illegal for the government employees to trade for furs and ivory carvings; though my father said he was shown ways around that injunction (you just had to conceal your activities from the RCMP who would arrive once each year). My dad was only in his early twenties and he wrote at length about his first encounter. He'd never met such a primitive people. What stood out in his mind was the stench. It was not just the unwashed bodies, it was primarily the improperly cured leather clothing that everyone wore. The flesh was cut from the skins which were then chewed by the women until they were further stripped of the remaining flesh and the hides were made supple. By the time dad was in the arctic the second time (again at a Canadian government weather station) housing had been provided, at tax payer expense, and no one in the community he was familiar with lived any longer in igloos. Nor were they wearing the traditional clothing any longer (with the exception of foot wear which the natives deemed better). No one was forced out of their snow homes. They chose to live in the housing built by the government. The thing is no one foresaw the consequences of disrupting the traditional life style.

Now, turn to the Middle East and ISIS and their ilk (ie. Muslim hardliners). What misguided, but benevolent, activity do you see on their part? None. You see rapes, women and girls forced into sex slavery, beheadings, murder of homosexuals and apostates, and complete subjugation of all resistance. Once Islam reaches a critical population level in any country you see a downward spiral into violence. That is what is coming our way!
Incredible post.
Very interesting about the inuit and so true about Islam.
 

Marsh

Active Member
Very interesting about the inuit and so true about Islam.
Thanks. What Father Heathen was not taking into account is that no one was trying to destroy the Inuit while hardliner Muslims (what many are now calling Islamists) do want to destroy and enslave. PopeADope, I am curious. What is that flag? I don't recall seeing anything like it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The Inuit are a slightly different situation, wouldn't you agree? We are talking in their case about what happens, too often, when a stone age culture encounters the modern world. Any decent person would be sympathetic to their plight. My father spent a year in the arctic during the war and told me the "Eskimos" still lived their traditional life style (mind you, they had already swapped out their spears for rifles, and their bone tools for steel knives, but they were still living in igloos); he took a great photo of one Inuit family sitting on raised platforms of ice, covered of course with furs, in their snow homes. What stands out for me is that every person in the group wore huge, genuine, smiles, and traditional animal skin clothing.

I will also mention that I have some letters home my father wrote at that time. What stands out is his first encounter with the Inuit. The native people turned out in large numbers when the icebreaker N.B. McLean arrived as they had a great interest in receiving modern supplies (free handouts) from the Canadian government, which by the way, had made it illegal for the government employees to trade for furs and ivory carvings; though my father said he was shown ways around that injunction (you just had to conceal your activities from the RCMP who would arrive once each year). My dad was only in his early twenties and he wrote at length about his first encounter. He'd never met such a primitive people. What stood out in his mind was the stench. It was not just the unwashed bodies, it was primarily the improperly cured leather clothing that everyone wore. The flesh was cut from the skins which were then chewed by the women until they were further stripped of the remaining flesh and the hides were made supple. By the time dad was in the arctic the second time (again at a Canadian government weather station) housing had been provided, at tax payer expense, and no one in the community he was familiar with lived any longer in igloos. Nor were they wearing the traditional clothing any longer (with the exception of foot wear which the natives deemed better). No one was forced out of their snow homes. They chose to live in the housing built by the government. The thing is no one foresaw the consequences of disrupting the traditional life style.

Now, turn to the Middle East and ISIS and their ilk (ie. Muslim hardliners). What misguided, but benevolent, activity do you see on their part? None. You see rapes, women and girls forced into sex slavery, beheadings, murder of homosexuals and apostates, and complete subjugation of all resistance. Once Islam reaches a critical population level in any country you see a downward spiral into violence. That is what is coming our way!

That is an interesting story about the eskimos in WW2.

That was not so very long ago!

There was a man, Curtis I believe was his name,
who travelled extensively to photograph and record
the natives he found, knowing that the last days
of the old days were passing fast.

In one account, he mentions travelling by dofsled
over some mountains in Alaska, in a blizzard and
finding and Eskimo house. "House".

A tiny thing, partly underground, driftwood and sod.

Everyone inside was sick, and he mentions the
horrific stench.

An acquaintance who lived in Alaska has told me
various things about his experience with Eskimos.

Of course, it is cell phones and facebook with them
now, not harpoons and kayaks.

And there are way more of them than ever before.

But the main takeaway I got from what he said is
that they seem lost. Dont know who they are,
what they should do, where they are going.

Suicide, alcohol, drugs,squalor,welfare,violence,
unemployment.

That they need to start telling themselves a
new story about themselves.

Well, that is off topic, but there it is anyway.
 
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