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Goat herders, Scripture, and why Scripture (and the Koran) are toxic, irrational, and dangerous!

Spiderman

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I can't tell you how many times I hear people diss the Bible as a book written by "Goat Herders". I know King David and various other figures were at times in their lives, shepherds (or goat herders). But I seriously wonder what percent of Scripture authors were "Goat Herders" ?

Also, people say "Goat Herders" like it's a bad thing. :p I live in the inner city, so will never see a goat, but can imagine that a goat can teach a person more about God than the Bible.

Hopefully the goat-herder doesn't abuse his goats.... and I'm assuming milking goats, drinking their milk, caring for baby goats, feeding goats, watching them grow, protecting them from predators, etc. has all the potential to teach a person more about God than school, a Doctorate, or books.

Today, a lady shook my hand, let me borrow her AA book, and gave me a smile that spoke more to me about God than the Bible. On my way home, I saw some flowers. Those flowers spoke to me more about God than the Bible. The sunset and the clouds, the green grass, the trees, it all spoke to me more about God than the Bible. I ate some black berries recently. They spoke about God. It was clear that those berries were designed to delight taste-buds.

@RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha and countless others are always getting on my case (or other people's) and saying things that indicate that the Bible is the main place to learn about God. The Bible doesn't say that about itself!

I've given up on the Bible and it has nothing to do with goat-herders, goat whippers, goat-eaters, goat fondlers, or goat-milkers. :rolleyes:

It's because I read something like Noah's Ark and wonder, how does someone get a boat big enough for all those animals, feed them all, and keep the dangerous ones etc?

Then Jonah lives three days in the belly of some sea creature? What? :facepalm:

Then there is ridiculous stuff like this:
2 Kings 2
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

Okay, do I want an ancient text that says something so stupid, to be my rule of life, my rule of faith, my rule of Theology? Really? Do I want to use a book that contains a bunch of far-fetched idiotic rubbish as fuel to correct, judge, and beat people (as so many Christians are fond of doing)?

First off, those are 42 children killed by two bears. Don't the children all start running away in different directions...how does the bear catch them all? And were all 42 of those kids actually making fun of a guys "bald head"? I highly doubt it. And even if there were a crowd of 42 kids simultaneously making fun of some guys bald head, does it deserve capital punishment, by being mauled to death by wild beasts? Really?
o_O Think of all the grieving mothers...

Then, a guy steadies the Ark, and God kills him for it. People get executed for working on the Sabbath. How psychotic is that? Kill people for working on the wrong day of the week. That is as sick to me as when ISIS executed children for watching soccer because it "Violated Sharia".

So, why should I follow a book that completely goes against my conscience? Why should I use a text full of toxic information, genocide, bigotry, hate, intolerance, and says other stupid things like "call no man your Father...if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out"...and use that as my sole rule of Theology, rule of life, sole rule of how I learn about God, and whip such a book out to correct and admonish others, or attack what polytheists or Buddhists hold as sacred?


Absolutely Not! :mad: I'll pray to God for understanding and enlightenment, but not let some ancient text (full of contradictions) control me, take away my ability to reason, go against my conscience, and lead me into behavior that every fiber of my being tells me to be wrong!

Not gonna happen! I'll pray that God makes me obediently do his will, but I'll not go against my conscience because some ancient irrational text full of contradictions says to.

I tried to read the Koran, thinking it had something better to offer, read it all the way through twice....and hands down, it was easily the most incoherent book I've ever read from front to back! Not to mention, it was toxic, filled me with darkness; it was depressing, disturbing (contained verses about non-muslims being crucified and having their hands and feet chopped off), antisemetic, bigoted, and bad for my health and emotions.

So, by all means, worship God, have a personal relationship with him, pray for him to guide your thoughts and actions....but the Bible and Koran isn't the only way to learn about God, and no where do those books claim they are, and in my experience they are one of the worst sources to learn about God.

Were I God, I would be ashamed that such an irrational, embarrassing piece of literature, was the sole rule and basis of how so many people sought and learned about me! :confused:

Follow thy heart! Follow thy conscience! Ask God to guide you!

Thoughts?
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Ancient scripture is toxic when it is claimed to represent the Word of God for today as do most Christian churches and Islam for the Koran.

Judaism for the most part resorts to pragmatism and Midrash, and does not hold to the belief that the Torah and Tanakh are Revelation scripture that apply to the contemporary world

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Earthling

David Henson
I can't tell you how many times I hear people diss the Bible as a book written by "Goat Herders". I know King David and various other figures were at times in their lives, shepherds (or goat herders). But I seriously wonder what percent of Scripture authors were "Goat Herders" ?

The Bible was written by about 40 different men, including state officials, judges, prophets, kings, shepherds, farmers, fishermen, and a physician.

Also, people say "Goat Herders" like it's a bad thing. :p I live in the inner city, so will never see a goat, but can imagine that a goat can teach a person more about God than the Bible.

Hopefully the goat-herder doesn't abuse his goats.... and I'm assuming milking goats, drinking their milk, caring for baby goats, feeding goats, watching them grow, protecting them from predators, etc. has all the potential to teach a person more about God than school, a Doctorate, or books.

I don't think so. Something I always thought interesting, often you see a sheep herder of the Bible times carrying a baby goat? This was because it was their habit to break the legs of a sheep that tended to wander from the herd, where it would be in danger. So they then had to carry it.

Today, a lady shook my hand, let me borrow her AA book, and gave me a smile that spoke more to me about God than the Bible. On my way home, I saw some flowers. Those flowers spoke to me more about God than the Bible. The sunset and the clouds, the green grass, the trees, it all spoke to me more about God than the Bible. I ate some black berries recently. They spoke about God. It was clear that those berries were designed to delight taste-buds.

@RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha and countless others are always getting on my case (or other people's) and saying things that indicate that the Bible is the main place to learn about God. The Bible doesn't say that about itself!


Would it matter to you if it did? 2 Timothy 3:14-17; John 17:3; 1 Timothy 6:20

I've given up on the Bible and it has nothing to do with goat-herders, goat whippers, goat-eaters, goat fondlers, or goat-milkers. :rolleyes:

It's because I read something like Noah's Ark and wonder, how does someone get a boat big enough for all those animals, feed them all, and keep the dangerous ones etc?

Do you know how big it was? How much space? How many animals? What a biblical kind is?

Then Jonah lives three days in the belly of some sea creature? What?
:facepalm:

Then there is ridiculous stuff like this:
2 Kings 2
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Okay, do I want an ancient text that says something so stupid, to be my rule of life, my rule of faith, my rule of Theology? Really? Do I want to use a book that contains a bunch of far-fetched idiotic rubbish as fuel to correct, judge, and beat people (as so many Christians are fond of doing)?

First off, those are 42 children killed by two bears. Don't the children all start running away...how does the bear catch them all? And were all 42 of those kids actually making fun of a guys "bald head"? I highly doubt it. And even if there were a crowd of 42 kids simultaneously making fun of some guys bald head, does it deserve capital punishment, by being mauled to death by wild beasts? Really?
o_O Think of all the grieving mothers...


The area was known for persecution of prophets. Were the group of children about to kill him, or were they mocking God?

Then, a guy steadies the Ark, and God kills him for it. People get executed for working on the Sabbath. How psychotic is that? Kill people for working on the wrong day of the week. That is as sick to me as when ISIS executed children for watching soccer because it "Violated Sharia".


Even if you read the Bible and come off thinking God was a monster who told tall tales you would still know him more from the Bible than you ever possibly could from a statue of Mary that pisses blood, cries or heals people. Or a stale piece of toast with the modern day inaccurate likeness of Jesus the hippie on it. Candles, incense, etc.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A lot of men have bald heads...it is extremely rare that people make fun of a stranger's bald head... I've never seen it happen...

So, chances of 42+ children, materializing to make fun of a man's bald head sounds too ridiculous just by itself...

But then two bears get possessed by some Savage merciless spirit, that leads them out of the woods to kill them...and God and his prophet are totally okay with capital punishment of children, (by claws and teeth of wild beasts ) in a brutal manner...

And God would want something so nonsensical in his book. And I'm supposed to accept what goes against my conscience and rational thought because some book says so?...

I'm sorry... not gonna happen. I'll face God on judgement day and suffer the consequences of listening to my conscience and ability to reason!:thumbsup:
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The Bible was written by about 40 different men, including state officials, judges, prophets, kings, shepherds, farmers, fishermen, and a physician.



I don't think so. Something I always thought interesting, often you see a sheep herder of the Bible times carrying a baby goat? This was because it was their habit to break the legs of a sheep that tended to wander from the herd, where it would be in danger. So they then had to carry it.



Would it matter to you if it did? 2 Timothy 3:14-17; John 17:3; 1 Timothy 6:20



Do you know how big it was? How much space? How many animals? What a biblical kind is?



The area was known for persecution of prophets. Were the group of children about to kill him, or were they mocking God?



Even if you read the Bible and come off thinking God was a monster who told tall tales you would still know him more from the Bible than you ever possibly could from a statue of Mary that pisses blood, cries or heals people. Or a stale piece of toast with the modern day inaccurate likeness of Jesus the hippie on it. Candles, incense, etc.
No sir,
The Bible does not say it is the sole rule of Theology, faith, practice, spirituality, or rule of life.

You are harming your credibility.

I have searched the scriptures and found no such verse.

The first Christians were not Bible Christians.

They had no Bible, no printing press, and most were iliterate. ;)

If the Bible were to be their source of Theologic truth, Jesus would have left them with such a book.

He didn't!

And I'm not impressed by statues shedding blood or tears either.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
A lot of men have bald heads...it is extremely rare that people make fun of a stranger's bald head... I've never seen it happen...

So, chances of 42+ children, materializing to make fun of a man's bald head sounds too ridiculous just by itself...

But then two bears get possessed by some Savage merciless spirit, that leads them out of the woods to kill them...and God and his prophet are totally okay with capital punishment of children, (by claws and teeth of wild beasts ) in a brutal manner...

And God would want something so nonsensical in his book. And I'm supposed to accept what goes against my conscience and rational thought because some book says so?...

I'm sorry... not gonna happen. I'll face God on judgement day and suffer the consequences of listening to my conscience and ability to reason!:thumbsup:
Here!, Here!. I couldnt agree more.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Yeah its also my mother and fathers marriage anniversary, 57 years. They had to get married on that day because my grandfathers dont take regular days off.

I was an accidentally born child like my other brothers, and sis. Youngest of five i am. Loyalty is a big thing in my irish, german, italian, scottish family.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The Bible was written by about 40 different men, including state officials, judges, prophets, kings, shepherds, farmers, fishermen, and a physician.



I don't think so. Something I always thought interesting, often you see a sheep herder of the Bible times carrying a baby goat? This was because it was their habit to break the legs of a sheep that tended to wander from the herd, where it would be in danger. So they then had to carry it.



Would it matter to you if it did? 2 Timothy 3:14-17; John 17:3; 1 Timothy 6:20



Do you know how big it was? How much space? How many animals? What a biblical kind is?



The area was known for persecution of prophets. Were the group of children about to kill him, or were they mocking God?



Even if you read the Bible and come off thinking God was a monster who told tall tales you would still know him more from the Bible than you ever possibly could from a statue of Mary that pisses blood, cries or heals people. Or a stale piece of toast with the modern day inaccurate likeness of Jesus the hippie on it. Candles, incense, etc.
The Bible and Koran tell people to abandone common sense, throw out their ability to reason, and do what goes against their conscience.

I've read the Bible enough to know that!

A person can live a better life by doing unto others as they would have done to them, using their ability to reason, being humble, charitable, forgiving, self-disciplined, and not judging, than they could ever learn from the Bible or Koran.

The Bible has some great verses and promotes some noble, worthwhile virtues, and I'm the first to acknowledge that!

But the deadly food in rat traps is mostly good food...that tiny percent of it that is poison makes it deadly. ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A lot of men have bald heads...it is extremely rare that people make fun of a stranger's bald head... I've never seen it happen...

So, chances of 42+ children, materializing to make fun of a man's bald head sounds too ridiculous just by itself...

But then two bears get possessed by some Savage merciless spirit, that leads them out of the woods to kill them...and God and his prophet are totally okay with capital punishment of children, (by claws and teeth of wild beasts ) in a brutal manner...

And God would want something so nonsensical in his book. And I'm supposed to accept what goes against my conscience and rational thought because some book says so?...

I'm sorry... not gonna happen. I'll face God on judgement day and suffer the consequences of listening to my conscience and ability to reason!:thumbsup:
Also,
It says nothing about those children mocking God.
They called him "Bald head"...is that an insult or simply identifying the obvious? ;)

Even if they were, they are kids. The possessed bears tearing them to pieces is asinine!

I'm 31 and have mocked God far worse.

There are an enormous amounts of adults these days who mock God and blaspheme.

Where are the wild beasts to tear us to pieces?

God kills kids for making fun of a bald head, but Joseph Stalin gets to kill millions and millions of Christians, outlaw Christianity, and lives a full lifespan.

Funny, all these ridiculous miracles happen thousands of years ago...

Now a days, when there are cell phones everywhere to film it, it doesn't happen.

More souls on the earth than ever to save, and God does no more parting of the red-sea and all that.

Perhaps... perhaps...the Bible isn't the best place to learn about God! :wink:
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
And then people like @Deeje adore the Bible but hate the institution that put the Bible together, and decided the New Testament Canon that they accept.:rolleyes:

So many Christians say, "God is speaking, just read his word"...but then insist every Christian Church on Earth that believed in the Bible was mistaken, century, after century, after century...

But of course, they are correct and every Christian Church on Earth was teaching falsehood and Satanic practices for over a thousand years! And such a God is a trustworthy guide? What a total mess!
:facepalm:
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
And I forgot to add,
Noah lived over 900 years without toothpaste, a toothbrush, or dentist.

Chances are, he lost all his teeth within the first century... must have been a total drag living the rest of those centuries with no teeth, long before the invention of dentures! :D
 

Stevicus

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I can't tell you how many times I hear people diss the Bible as a book written by "Goat Herders". I know King David and various other figures were at times in their lives, shepherds (or goat herders). But I seriously wonder what percent of Scripture authors were "Goat Herders" ?

Also, people say "Goat Herders" like it's a bad thing. :p I live in the inner city, so will never see a goat, but can imagine that a goat can teach a person more about God than the Bible.

Hopefully the goat-herder doesn't abuse his goats.... and I'm assuming milking goats, drinking their milk, caring for baby goats, feeding goats, watching them grow, protecting them from predators, etc. has all the potential to teach a person more about God than school, a Doctorate, or books.

Today, a lady shook my hand, let me borrow her AA book, and gave me a smile that spoke more to me about God than the Bible. On my way home, I saw some flowers. Those flowers spoke to me more about God than the Bible. The sunset and the clouds, the green grass, the trees, it all spoke to me more about God than the Bible. I ate some black berries recently. They spoke about God. It was clear that those berries were designed to delight taste-buds.

@RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha and countless others are always getting on my case (or other people's) and saying things that indicate that the Bible is the main place to learn about God. The Bible doesn't say that about itself!

I've given up on the Bible and it has nothing to do with goat-herders, goat whippers, goat-eaters, goat fondlers, or goat-milkers. :rolleyes:

It's because I read something like Noah's Ark and wonder, how does someone get a boat big enough for all those animals, feed them all, and keep the dangerous ones etc?

Then Jonah lives three days in the belly of some sea creature? What? :facepalm:

Then there is ridiculous stuff like this:
2 Kings 2
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

Okay, do I want an ancient text that says something so stupid, to be my rule of life, my rule of faith, my rule of Theology? Really? Do I want to use a book that contains a bunch of far-fetched idiotic rubbish as fuel to correct, judge, and beat people (as so many Christians are fond of doing)?

First off, those are 42 children killed by two bears. Don't the children all start running away...how does the bear catch them all? And were all 42 of those kids actually making fun of a guys "bald head"? I highly doubt it. And even if there were a crowd of 42 kids simultaneously making fun of some guys bald head, does it deserve capital punishment, by being mauled to death by wild beasts? Really?
o_O Think of all the grieving mothers...

Then, a guy steadies the Ark, and God kills him for it. People get executed for working on the Sabbath. How psychotic is that? Kill people for working on the wrong day of the week. That is as sick to me as when ISIS executed children for watching soccer because it "Violated Sharia".

So, why should I follow a book that completely goes against my conscience? Why should I use a text full of toxic information, genocide, bigotry, hate, intolerance, and says other stupid things like "call no man your Father...if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out"...and use that as my sole rule of Theology, rule of life, sole rule of how I learn about God, and whip such a book out to correct and admonition others, or attack what polytheists or Buddhists hold as sacred?


Absolutely Not! :mad: I'll pray to God for understanding and enlightenment, but not let some ancient text (full of contradictions) control me, take away my ability to reason, go against my conscience, and lead me into behavior that every fiber of my being tells me to be wrong!

Not gonna happen! I'll pray that God makes me obediently do his will, but I'll not go against my conscience because some ancient irrational text full of contradictions says to.

I tried to read the Koran, thinking it had something better to offer, read it all the way through twice....and hands down, it was easily the most incoherent book I've ever read from front to back! Not to mention, it was toxic, filled me with darkness; it was depressing, disturbing (contained verses about non-muslims being crucified and having their hands and feet chopped off), antisemetic, bigoted, and bad for my health and emotions.

So, by all means, worship God, have a personal relationship with him, pray for him to guide your thoughts and actions....but the Bible and Koran isn't the only way to learn about God, and no where do those books claim they are, and in my experience they are one of the worst sources to learn about God.

Were I God, I would be ashamed that such an irrational, embarrassing piece of literature, was the sole rule and basis of how so many people sought and learned about me! :confused:

Follow thy heart! Follow thy conscience! Ask God to guide you!

Thoughts?

I don't think I'd make a very good goat-herder.

Now, if there were cat-herders in the Bible, who were able to herd cats successfully, that would be a miraculous feat.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I don't think I'd make a very good goat-herder.

Now, if there were cat-herders in the Bible, who were able to herd cats successfully, that would be a miraculous feat.
Cats don't really have the herd mentality, but that would be cool to have a cat herd if they did. :)
 

Earthling

David Henson
Also,
It says nothing about those children mocking God.
They called him "Bald head"...is that an insult or simply identifying the obvious? ;)

Even if they were, they are kids. The possessed bears tearing them to pieces is asinine!

I'm 31 and have mocked God far worse.

There are an enormous amounts of adults these days who mock God and blaspheme.

Where are the wild beasts to tear us to pieces?

God kills kids for making fun of a bald head, but Joseph Stalin gets to kill millions and millions of Christians, outlaw Christianity, and lives a full lifespan.

Funny, all these ridiculous miracles happen thousands of years ago...

Now a days, when there are cell phones everywhere to film it, it doesn't happen.

More souls on the earth than ever to save, and God does no more parting of the red-sea and all that.

Perhaps... perhaps...the Bible isn't the best place to learn about God! :wink:

With the case of the 42 children here is what we know from the Bible. A prophet was going through an area where prophets tended to get themselves killed by the locals. The children were harassing him, a mother bear tore them to pieces. We can only guess at the rest. Did the large group of children intend to kill him, did they mock God, were they preventing God's will from being done? Was it a coincidence, maybe the mother bear was protecting her cubs? Maybe kids were throwing large rocks and the bear took it as a threat? We don't know.

If it's possible for you to imagine a specific God by name who created the universe and cursed us to die slow horrible deaths, and you think can influence your life in some way is it really that much of a leap to imagine a God that would send a bear to kill a bunch of rotten kids?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
With the case of the 42 children here is what we know from the Bible. A prophet was going through an area where prophets tended to get themselves killed by the locals. The children were harassing him, a mother bear tore them to pieces. We can only guess at the rest. Did the large group of children intend to kill him, did they mock God, were they preventing God's will from being done? Was it a coincidence, maybe the mother bear was protecting her cubs? Maybe kids were throwing large rocks and the bear took it as a threat? We don't know.

If it's possible for you to imagine a specific God by name who created the universe and cursed us to die slow horrible deaths, and you think can influence your life in some way is it really that much of a leap to imagine a God that would send a bear to kill a bunch of rotten kids?
If the children were a threat, perhaps God would want that in his book, to let readers know "bald head" wasn't the insult that lead to a brutal mass-execution of children.

I was pretty damn worthless, blasphemous, mischievous, and rotten as a kid, and didn't die for it (unfortunately.)

It seems odd, God massacres children for saying "bald head", but lets Joseph Stalin slaughter millions of his people and make Christianity illegal, and live a full lifespan.

Is it possible, yes...do i want to insult God and make myself miserable by believing the worst about God?

No thanks! ;)
 

Earthling

David Henson
If the children were a threat, perhaps God would want that in his book, to let readers know "bald head" wasn't the insult that lead to a brutal mass-execution of children.

I was pretty damn worthless, blasphemous, mischievous, and rotten as a kid, and didn't die for it (unfortunately.)

It seems odd, God massacres children for saying "bald head", but lets Joseph Stalin slaughter millions of his people and make Christianity illegal, and live a full lifespan.

Is it possible, yes...do i want to insult God and make myself miserable by believing the worst about God?

No thanks! ;)

But you see, the Bible tells us how God created us perfect, like a new born baby is perfect, in that it has great potential. He gave Adam the tree as a reminder that he (mankind) could be great if he obeyed God until he matured to the point where he didn't need to be told this. Like the angels before us had already done. Adam rejected that, and caused a separation there. So God keeps his distance from us. He can't be associated with that directly. Like a father with a wayward son. So, things like slavery, and events like Stalin are our doing, and he isn't going to interfere.

However, he won't allow us to get to the point where we thwart his purpose. He won't allow us to destroy ourselves completely. His purpose for us was to live forever in paradise on Earth.

The world as you know it is temporal. Temporary. He gave us the earth, but there were stipulations. For justice to be done in the case of Adam he has to allow us to see for ourselves if Satan was telling the truth when he said we didn't need God, our creator.

So Stalin, and earthquakes, aren't of concern to God, but getting that prophet safely through was.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
But you see, the Bible tells us how God created us perfect, like a new born baby is perfect, in that it has great potential. He gave Adam the tree as a reminder that he (mankind) could be great if he obeyed God until he matured to the point where he didn't need to be told this. Like the angels before us had already done. Adam rejected that, and caused a separation there. So God keeps his distance from us. He can't be associated with that directly. Like a father with a wayward son. So, things like slavery, and events like Stalin are our doing, and he isn't going to interfere.

However, he won't allow us to get to the point where we thwart his purpose. He won't allow us to destroy ourselves completely. His purpose for us was to live forever in paradise on Earth.

The world as you know it is temporal. Temporary. He gave us the earth, but there were stipulations. For justice to be done in the case of Adam he has to allow us to see for ourselves if Satan was telling the truth when he said we didn't need God, our creator.

So Stalin, and earthquakes, aren't of concern to God, but getting that prophet safely through was.
God wanted us to fall.

God made Satan knowing in advance that he would tempt Adam and Eve.

God saw what Satan would do, and permitted it, because he wanted it.

God knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit before he ever made the stupid tree.

He could stop it or never make Satan in the first place, never let the stupid serpent in the garden, or never made Eve so stupid she would listen to a talking snake.

Evil people who kill Christians are doing what God wants them to do.

Otherwise, God would give them a change of heart, a healthy mind, freedom from Satan and demons, and God refuses, therefore he wants it.

It's obvious!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
God wanted us to fall.

God made Satan knowing in advance that he would tempt Adam and Eve.

God saw what Satan would do, and permitted it, because he wanted it.

God knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit before he ever made the stupid tree.

He could stop it or never make Satan in the first place, never let the stupid serpent in the garden, or never made Eve so stupid she would listen to a talking snake.

Evil people who kill Christians are doing what God wants them to do.

Otherwise, God would give them a change of heart, a healthy mind, freedom from Satan and demons, and God refuses, therefore he wants it.

It's obvious!
Also,
@RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha
I admire you for wanting to please God by not going back to homosexual acts.
That is heroic in many ways to stay single and celibate.
I'm sure you prayed for God to make you heterosexual.
You would rather only be sexually aroused by women im sure.

God could easily grant that grace.
For whatever reason, he wants you to be gay.

I'm bipolar and schizoaffective. God wants me to have those disorders because he could heal me and he doesn't.

If I am theologically confused, its because God wants me confused, or he would give me the clarity, light, and understanding i pray for!

See what I'm saying?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
A lot of men have bald heads...it is extremely rare that people make fun of a stranger's bald head... I've never seen it happen...

So, chances of 42+ children, materializing to make fun of a man's bald head sounds too ridiculous just by itself...

It says nothing about those children mocking God.
They called him "Bald head"...is that an insult or simply identifying the obvious?

FWIW...... This is how I understand the scenario to have played out....

Elijah had been taken up in spectacular fashion in a windstorm but his official garment (the identification of a prophet) was left to Elisha. As Elijah's successor, Elisha was in a position that should have incurred respect for his office. The mockery came when those disrespectful young ones, (not very young children) but probably older teenagers were mocking God's prophet in telling him to "go up" like Elijah did.....the crack about his 'bald head' was just added disrespect. They were chiding Elisha as if to say, "if you were really a prophet you would "go up" Like Elijah did".

The deaths of the children was due to Elisha demonstrating his authority as Elijah's successor, and as a strong message to their parents who obviously had not taught their children to respect Jehovah's appointed representatives.
We know what happened later when some of the tribal leaders challenged Moses' authority in their wanderings in the wilderness. God took a dim view of that too.

Agree or not, it sends a clear message that disrespect is never acceptable where God is concerned.
 
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