Is modern science informing us of a spiritual reality?

[sun rise]

Some would argue that that the answer is yes such as Are QUANTUM PHYSICS and SPIRITUALITY related? But I would word it as: Some physicists are proposing conceptions of the universe that are in alignment with some spiritual/religious ideas.

And this one is fun because it in effect argues that the Hindu birth and death of creation has some connection with physics The Myth Of The Beginning Of Time

The "eternal now" also has some proponents from physics such as 'There is no such thing as past or future': physicist Carlo Rovelli on changing how we think about time

 

[Phantasman]

Or does modern science create the possibility that there is a spiritual reality?

Or is it hands off on the matter with no way to rule in or out the spiritual reality?

Science is the study of physical (things). Spirituality is out of scientific realms.

 

[Earthling]

Science looks at things, ideally, with an open mind. People tend to think that something they can't see is not real. If you are a scientist who doesn't believe in the possibility of highly intelligent sentient extra terrestrial beings, and then you see them with your own eyes, knowing that it isn't an illusion of some sort, caused by chemical inducement, mental issues, or trickery of some sort, then you would become a believer and have to either keep quite about it or buck the system which would probably result in your finding another profession.

But that's unlikely to happen. And if those highly intelligent sentient extra terrestrial beings have existed for centuries in folklore or the Bible, that only diminishes your likelihood to take them serious.

The real problem that I've seen when science tries to investigate spirituality is that their first step is almost always based upon a false premise. For example, when they try and make something out of the celestial phenomenon in the book of Revelation they start by assuming that the writers were primitive ignorant people who were afraid of things like eclipses and then try to equate those types of events with the writing. When in fact, those writings are metaphorical applications to political and social upheaval.

The Greek word for spirit is pneuma, from which comes the English pneumatic and pneumonia. It can be translated, depending upon context, to mean wind, breath, mental inclination. These are things not thought to be out of bounds in the realm of science. But it can also mean spirit creatures, which are invisible, intelligent, sentient, extra terrestrial beings capable of doing things we are not capable of. If you make the assumption that those sorts of beings can't possibly exist, like we once did giant squid or whales, which were once thought to be supernatural, then they are not likely to be studied or taken seriously until they reveal themselves in some way which bucks the system to the point where it couldn't ignore it.

I do believe that the Bible indicates that this type of event is going to happen. At some point in the future those who are living at that time, many who doubt, will be convinced. But this will be a brief moment in time relatively speaking.

 

[Earthling]

Science is the study of physical (things). Spirituality is out of scientific realms.

Absolutely correct, but time and time again science has made discoveries of a physical nature where critics of the Bible had doubted those things. Strictly speaking these things aren't spiritual, true; events or rulers who were thought not to have existed until some cuneiform tablet or other reference was discovered mentioning them.

 

[atanu]

Some would argue that that the answer is yes such as Are QUANTUM PHYSICS and SPIRITUALITY related? But I would word it as: Some physicists are proposing conceptions of the universe that are in alignment with some spiritual/religious ideas.

And this one is fun because it in effect argues that the Hindu birth and death of creation has some connection with physics The Myth Of The Beginning Of Time

The "eternal now" also has some proponents from physics such as 'There is no such thing as past or future': physicist Carlo Rovelli on changing how we think about time

But science and spirituality occupy non overlapping or partially overlapping magisteria.

Non-overlapping magisteria - Wikipedia
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A scientist and his scientific method can attain the highest limit of intellect but cannot investigate beyond it. Many (scientists) acknowledge that.

 

[Frater Sisyphus]

Yes, it is definitely!

 

[Earthling]

But science and spirituality occupy non overlapping or partially overlapping magisteria.

Non-overlapping magisteria - Wikipedia
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A scientist and his scientific method can attain the highest limit of intellect but cannot investigate beyond it. Many (scientists) acknowledge that.

That's pretty much what I said, except for that, Bible skeptics often dismiss the Bible's mention of practical events and actual historical people until they are discovered in archaeological findings.

 

[Robert Lodge]

Sciene, true science is but God proven for the sensory measurement of the humanoid vehicle. There is no separation except in the mind of man, for man is the beholder (being that holds) the dimensions of height, width, and depth, measuring them will the illusion of time, i.e. space/time continuum. Christ Jesus taught physics in his parables. When you understand the original meanings and especially the esoteric of the day, then physics will make far more sense to the truth seeker and religion will make more sense to the. Hindu has much as well as many others. physicist. God as Brahman is neither asleep or awake. God is.
Yes it is a struggle for those of you who have not been beyond and returned back before the creation of the universe to realize that all is an illusion and time does not exist but that you make it so. However, until you fully surrender to the unconditional love of God and transcend the all, you can never know. To transcend the all is to die to all, not just your physical body. However, when you fully return home and then return to create the universe anew, you will understand. Until then all else is only speculation and belief be you accurate or not. Only through experience can we know.
My soon to be release book revision will explain much. Look for the revised edition of Unveiling Mysteries of the Universe Volume 1: Journey to the Heart or contact me directly for a copy if you want a PDF.

 

[MJ Bailey]

Um, if I may ask a question; aside from synapsis of your brain firing, what is the material make up of a thought? Matter is a fundamental study of Science, but so is dark matter. What is the material make up of dark matter? Two things in which undeniable exist yet lack tangible materialistic proof of their existence. Without intangible substances, there would be nothing.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Dark matter and Dark energy are the irritating bits of reality (apparently) that cause me some concerns - because my physics knowledge is just not up to it to understand all the implications. But this still leaves me as less likely to believe in spirituality as before - since I just don't see or have come across anything that makes me think so. Too many other explanations usually - like mind processes.

 

[blü 2]

does modern science create the possibility that there is a spiritual reality?

I have no idea what a 'spiritual reality' might be (outside of imagination).

What is a 'spiritual reality' such that if we encountered one we could recognize it as such?

 

[Native]

I have no idea what a 'spiritual reality' might be (outside of imagination).

What is a 'spiritual reality' such that if we encountered one we could recognize it as such?

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IMO spirituality is just the ability to see and observe everything with your inner senses and thus look behind the physical world.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Or does modern science create the possibility that there is a spiritual reality?

Or is it hands off on the matter with no way to rule in or out the spiritual reality?

Science and religion are not enemies. Understanding the universe more deeply brings one closer to the creative inelligence behind it all.

 

[osgart]

I have no idea what a 'spiritual reality' might be (outside of imagination).

What is a 'spiritual reality' such that if we encountered one we could recognize it as such?

A force of heart, mind, and will, where these things are a reality all their own. A sensible reality of intellect and feeling, memory and understanding. Something other than a fluke occurence, or a brute fact; it works and functions by qualities of being. It would be a purposeful force of life essence. Consciousness would be its own reality. Perhaps it even forms the physical, or contrarily is impeded by the physical.

The logic is that evolution formed functional living structures. Functional living structures are no accident, they take on purpose. Therefore their is purpose in lifes makings. therefore there is a creative force in the world.

Thats not to say that the creative force is perfect, nor ideal. Its also not to say that it was designed. It is a force that creates with many imperfections; it creates through trial and error.

 

[Phantasman]

Absolutely correct, but time and time again science has made discoveries of a physical nature where critics of the Bible had doubted those things. Strictly speaking these things aren't spiritual, true; events or rulers who were thought not to have existed until some cuneiform tablet or other reference was discovered mentioning them.

The key word here is Bible. Since I only follow a spiritual "Gospel", the OT historical myths are just that. Gnosis was taught by Christ, not a physical pi$$ed off god flooding men. As science discovers, the gnosis (non Canon Christian books) align with such discoveries, proving the religion of Moses as not being exactly correct.

John 6:32

 

[blü 2]

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IMO spirituality is just the ability to see and observe everything with your inner senses and thus look behind the physical world.

Thanks for that.

Our senses are those parts of our nervous system that convey information about external reality to our brains, to our sense of self.

What are 'inner senses'? How can anything we attribute to our 'inner senses' be distinguished from stuff we've simply imagined?

 

[ChristineM]

I think things like quantum entanglement defy physical description. Im open to the possibility of something more. But who knows.

No. Just a different, often misunderstood aspect of physics.

 

[blü 2]

A force of heart, mind, and will, where these things are a reality all their own. A sensible reality of intellect and feeling, memory and understanding.

So 'spiritual' is another word for 'emotional' or 'desiring' then?

 

[Earthling]

The key word here is Bible. Since I only follow a spiritual "Gospel", the OT historical myths are just that. Gnosis was taught by Christ, not a physical pi$$ed off god flooding men. As science discovers, the gnosis (non Canon Christian books) align with such discoveries, proving the religion of Moses as not being exactly correct.

John 6:32

I don't know what to say to that, except John 5:46.

 

[ChristineM]

That's pretty much what I said, except for that, Bible skeptics often dismiss the Bible's mention of practical events and actual historical people until they are discovered in archaeological findings.

As far as i know, no one dismisses actual historical events and people are mentioned in the bible, and other ancient books.

Any good story will mention real places and people in order to add credibility to the fiction. Its a method of captivating the reading audience that was used in ancient times just as it is used now.