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How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There are many different interpretations of the Noah's Ark myth in Genesis. From my experience all of them can be shown to have never occurred. My only assumption here will be that it God exists he does not lie.

Of course I can't demonstrate a concept to be in error until people clearly state their beliefs. So please tell us what you mean by the Floor and we can discuss your version.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
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Misunderstood

Active Member
OK, I've got a little time tonight. To get started I will start by saying my belief is as stated in the Bible, it would take a while to state all I think, so I will start with that.

So what part do you want to discuss?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
OK, I've got a little time tonight. To get started I will start by saying my belief is as stated in the Bible, it would take a while to state all I think, so I will start with that.

So what part do you want to discuss?
That is a meaningless statement since everyone tends to say that. Do you believe that every last bit of land was covered by water as the Bible rather clearly says?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
The Genesis Flood don’t make sense, whether it be global flood or regional flood.

Covering all the highest mountains would indicate global flood. The amount of water required is enormous and impossible, as Cacotopia’s quote indicated.

Plus, if it was global, then should be evidences of such flood, all over the world, but there are no evidences of it, from archaeological and geological standpoints.

Plus the human tolls would have taken hundreds of years to recover.

For instance, if the flood occurred in 2340 BCE, then there shouldn’t be pyramid building in Egypt for centuries, and yet Egyptians were still building pyramids for their kings throughout the 6th dynasty (eg Teti, Pepi I, Merenre I and Pepi II at Saqqara).

These (6th dynasty) pyramids may be a lot smaller than the famous 4th dynasty pyramids at Giza, it would still require large manpower to carry out such construction.

There should be shortage of workers if Egypt had suffered from the Flood.

Regional flood even make less sense. Like why try to save so many animals if it is only a regional flood? Why build the ark of that size?

And if Noah was a prophet and the flood was only regional flooding, wouldn’t it make more sense to move to another location not affected by the flood, instead of building a large vessel? He had a 100 years warning, which mean he and his family could have travel on foot to any location on the Eurasian continents.

Alexander the Great had army of 40,000 men at the start, and those that remain in his services, reach the Indian subcontinent in matter of 10 years. Imagine how far Noah could have travelled in 100 years with only 8 adults?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The Genesis Flood don’t make sense, whether it be global flood or regional flood.

Covering all the highest mountains would indicate global flood. The amount of water required is enormous and impossible, as Cacotopia’s quote indicated.

Plus, if it was global, then should be evidences of such flood, all over the world, but there are no evidences of it, from archaeological and geological standpoints.

Plus the human tolls would have taken hundreds of years to recover.

For instance, if the flood occurred in 2340 BCE, then there shouldn’t be pyramid building in Egypt for centuries, and yet Egyptians were still building pyramids for their kings throughout the 6th dynasty (eg Teti, Pepi I, Merenre I and Pepi II at Saqqara).

These (6th dynasty) pyramids may be a lot smaller than the famous 4th dynasty pyramids at Giza, it would still require large manpower to carry out such construction.

There should be shortage of workers if Egypt had suffered from the Flood.

Regional flood even make less sense. Like why try to save so many animals if it is only a regional flood? Why build the ark of that size?

And if Noah was a prophet and the flood was only regional flooding, wouldn’t it make more sense to move to another location not affected by the flood, instead of building a large vessel? He had a 100 years warning, which mean he and his family could have travel on foot to any location on the Eurasian continents.

Alexander the Great had army of 40,000 men at the start, and those that remain in his services, reach the Indian subcontinent in matter of 10 years. Imagine how far Noah could have travelled in 100 years with only 8 adults?

Yes, the evidence against the flood is monumental. I wonder if anyone that believes that story will accept the evidence. If they don't they are forgetting the one assumption that I made in the OP.
 

Misunderstood

Active Member
That is a meaningless statement since everyone tends to say that. Do you believe that every last bit of land was covered by water as the Bible rather clearly says?

So you want to discuss the earth being covered with water? Sorry what I said was meaningless, but I was jut trying to get a direction to go as there are so many. My answer to your question is for the most part yes.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The the simple fact that ice floats alone debunks your claims. The ice caps at Greenland and Antarctica have been there for millions of years, before man ever stepped on the Earth. They would not have survived the flood. Also a flood of that order would leave massive evidence, yet there is none. Remember my one assumption that God does not lie? The only explanations that I have heard for the lack of evidence ultimately all rely on a lying God.
 

Misunderstood

Active Member
Since we are starting into this I want to say my faith neither stands or falls on the flood being true. So I will not be offended if you do not go along with anything I say. I do however believe it to be true, we may not fully understand what is said or are misinterpreting what is said.

I do not feel there were icecaps before the flood, why do you believe they were? I assume by their age, but how do you know they are millions of years old?
 

Misunderstood

Active Member
Also a flood of that order would leave massive evidence, yet there is none. Remember my one assumption that God does not lie? The only explanations that I have heard for the lack of evidence ultimately all rely on a lying God.
I feel there is massive evidence. It is said before the flood that the earth was basically flat and there were no oceans. Everything was watered from the deep.

So if you believe that; the oceans and mountains are the evidence. If you believe that the earth was the same before the flood as it is today I guess there is no evidence.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
The Noah Flood Narrative is the Babylonian myth partially demythologized and refracted through the lens of a primitive ethical monotheism.
There are plenty of people who believe the Flood myth is based on some real world event, or possibly several different incidents rolled into one. Personally, I like the theory of "The Flood" being a garbled cultural memory of the Black Sea Inundation event. There were certainly humans living in the basin that is now the Black Sea, and the event certainly would have seemed Apocalyptic to them. It also seems geographically pertinent to the various cultures that believed the myth.

Other contenders I'm aware of are the Red Sea inundation or even just an unusually high Mesopotamian seasonal flood.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I feel there is massive evidence. It is said before the flood that the earth was basically flat and there were no oceans. Everything was watered from the deep.

So if you believe that; the oceans and mountains are the evidence. If you believe that the earth was the same before the flood as it is today I guess there is no evidence.
How long ago do you think the flood was? Where did the water come from? Where did it go? Why do you think the Earth was flat, when there is so much evidence to the contrary?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There are plenty of people who believe the Flood myth is based on some real world event, or possibly several different incidents rolled into one. Personally, I like the theory of "The Flood" being a garbled cultural memory of the Black Sea Inundation event. There were certainly humans living in the basin that is now the Black Sea, and the event certainly would have seemed Apocalyptic to them. It also seems geographically pertinent to the various cultures that believed the myth.

Other contenders I'm aware of are the Red Sea inundation or even just an unusually high Mesopotamian seasonal flood.
I am not a fan of that one. If you do the math you will find that the rate of inundation was rapid enough to drown cities, but not people. It was a flood that people could have literally crawled away from.

Instead I like the candidate in this article:

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth
 
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