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Assuming THE FLOOD Did Happen . . .

Skwim

Veteran Member

. . . what did it accomplish?


From the way things went afterwards---sin still remaining high on the lists of a lot of people, and rampant throughout the world---it seems to me the whole operation was a waste of life, good water, and gopher wood. :shrug:

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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Once I asked a Creationist...a sort of YEC...:"why did God create dinosaurs, if they went extinct?"
She answered "Because they could not fit in the ark, so they died in the flood".
 

Bill Moss

New Member
Bingo. What was the point? However, a hybrid race, fathered by "the sons of the gods" upon human females is mentioned just prior to the Flood event. These beings, as depicted in the book of Genesis were "wicked" and violent, they ate flesh (which was forbidden before the Deluge), fathered a race of giants, and had corrupted the whole earth with violence.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
. . . what did it accomplish?

From the way things went afterwards---sin still remaining high on the lists of a lot of people, and rampant throughout the world---it seems to me the whole operation was a waste of life, good water, and gopher wood. :shrug:

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I can only imagine Jesus getting impatient. Like those reserve soccer players wanting to play to save things. "D-ddy, D-ddy let me play and I will fix everything now instead of in 2000 years!".

Ciao

- viole
 

InChrist

Free4ever
. . . what did it accomplish?

From the way things went afterwards---sin still remaining high on the lists of a lot of people, and rampant throughout the world---it seems to me the whole operation was a waste of life, good water, and gopher wood. :shrug:

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It served to salvage humanity from complete corruption and evil of the day, giving the descendants of Noah further opportunity to acknowledge and live in a right way before God and it is through the line of Noah that Jesus Christ the Savior came to the earth.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
It served to salvage humanity from complete corruption and evil of the day, giving the descendants of Noah further opportunity to acknowledge and live in a right way before God and it is through line of Noah that Jesus Christ the Savior came to the earth.
In as much as the vast majority (over two-thirds) of the "descendants of Noah" are not Christian, it certainly doesn't speak well of god's salvage plan at all. (Only 31.5% of the world's population is Christian)

Are you implying that god was incapable of sending Jesus Christ the Savior down to the world if the flood never took place?

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InChrist

Free4ever
In as much as the vast majority (over two-thirds) of the "descendants of Noah" are not Christian, it certainly doesn't speak well of god's salvage plan at all. (Only 31.5% of the world's population is Christian)

Are you implying that god was incapable of sending Jesus Christ the Savior down to the world if the flood never took place?

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Not really implying anything except what the scriptures reveal concerning the evil condition of mankind before the flood, the deliverance of Noah and his family the ancestors of the nation of Israel and the foretold Messiah. Although salvation is offered to all, I don't think numbers are necessarily what God is after, rather those who desire His love, truth, and light...

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”(John 3:16-21).
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
. . . what did it accomplish?

From the way things went afterwards---sin still remaining high on the lists of a lot of people, and rampant throughout the world---it seems to me the whole operation was a waste of life, good water, and gopher wood. :shrug:

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zero scientific evidence of any great floods happening. We are talking lockness monster no sense here. Total. Mythogy...... Uh ooooops.
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David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It served to salvage humanity from complete corruption and evil of the day, giving the descendants of Noah further opportunity to acknowledge and live in a right way before God and it is through the line of Noah that Jesus Christ the Savior came to the earth.
Which was ignoring nature. Oh look nothing has changed starting in religion nonsense. Never mind the below is not the entire globe in one afternoon my bad.... So you were saying in fantasy state?
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David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not really implying anything except what the scriptures reveal concerning the evil condition of mankind before the flood, the deliverance of Noah and his family the ancestors of the nation of Israel and the foretold Messiah. Although salvation is offered to all, I don't think numbers are necessarily what God is after, rather those who desire His love, truth, and light...

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”(John 3:16-21).
Well the past does impact the future and yes it is interconnected but a kind of Martian science fiction account doesn't really help much. I appreciate your love of Jesus though to a point anyway!
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
To @Skwim (just want to be sure you saw this),

...a hybrid race, fathered by "the sons of the gods" upon human females is mentioned just prior to the Flood event. These beings, as depicted in the book of Genesis were "wicked" and violent, they ate flesh (which was forbidden before the Deluge), fathered a race of giants, and had corrupted the whole earth with violence.

I don't know about 'eating flesh' -- the Bible is silent, although that doesn't mean it didn't happen. It wouldn't be surprising.

But those 'angels who forsook their natural dwelling place'(Jude 1:6) ....the spirit realm.... materialized and were having sex with human women (Genesis 6:1-4), producing those hybrid offspring the Nephilim. The human race would have been reduced to being sex-slaves, 'factories' for making beautiful women.

No wonder God stepped in! That's also why the Flood was global ....angels, with their capabilities, would have simply carried their human wives and offspring to another area of the Earth! They might have already done it, before the Flood. When you consider very ancient civilization ruins discovered in other parts of the world, it fits the picture. It all had to go, to protect the human family's DNA from impure, basically alien strain.

The Bible says nothing on this, though. It's all speculative, but can be inferred from Genesis 6.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Bingo. What was the point? However, a hybrid race, fathered by "the sons of the gods" upon human females is mentioned just prior to the Flood event. These beings, as depicted in the book of Genesis were "wicked" and violent, they ate flesh (which was forbidden before the Deluge), fathered a race of giants, and had corrupted the whole earth with violence.

You beat me to it. I have heard that the reason for the flood was to wipe out these Angel , human hybrids. But that being said, Genesis six alludes to this happening after the flood as well. Sort of resembles the stories of Greek gods mating with human women and producing children. I wonder if there is a connection?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Well the past does impact the future and yes it is interconnected but a kind of Martian science fiction account doesn't really help much. I appreciate your love of Jesus though to a point anyway!
Jesus considered the recorded biblical history and OT accounts reliable and accurate without apology or embarrassment, including the account of the Flood as fact and a picture or type of His return...

For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matt. 24:27-39

I love Jesus.... I also believe Him.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Jesus considered the recorded biblical history and OT accounts reliable and accurate without apology or embarrassment, including the account of the Flood as fact and a picture or type of His return...

For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matt. 24:27-39

I love Jesus.... I also believe Him.

Not a very good argument. It is easy to understand why we know that there was no flood, if one can be honest.


Luckily for you Jesus also used all sorts of tools of tale telling, allegory, parable, etc.. Claiming that Jesus believed the Flood myth is akin to claiming that Jesus was not divine.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You beat me to it. I have heard that the reason for the flood was to wipe out these Angel , human hybrids.

The intervention by God in this instance was because of the fact that angels materialized and took human women as wives..."all whom they chose", regardless of if they were already married to someone else. Who was going to argue with them?
The children produced were hybrid freaks of nature who had no right to live. Also they were not sons of Adam who were to be redeemed by the Savior whom God would send in the future.

This was a stopgap measure to slow down man's accelerated plunge into sin. Had God not intervened, the wickedness that was evident may well have wiped out all of Adam's legitimate children, leaving no one for the Savior to redeem.

The flood accomplished two things....it eradicated the Nephilim and it eliminated the humans who had been corrupted by them. Such was their influence, that God did not find another family on earth worth saving out of that whole generation.

It also sent the spirit fathers of these freakish bullies back to the spirit realm as there was no physical thing left to anchor them to this world. They need something physical to 'inhabit' because they have no bodies of their own. If they had stayed as materialized beings, they too would have died. Once back in the spirit realm, God prevented them from materializing again. Have you heard of people having problems with 'spirits' attached to old furniture, personal possessions or houses? Haunted houses are simply the dwelling place of demons.

But that being said, Genesis six alludes to this happening after the flood as well. Sort of resembles the stories of Greek gods mating with human women and producing children. I wonder if there is a connection?

Actually Greek mythology takes its queues from the pre-flood era. Remember that there were gods and demi-gods who were very licentious. Sex and violence are a trade mark of the devil's children. This is why the world is saturated in it. (1 John 5:19) But not for much longer we hope....
 
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