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Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

This word is presumably translated as 'Lord'

In the English Bible, but with so many christians claiming that they should be worshipping 'Yahweh', or that they worship 'Yahweh', where does Jesus ever say to worship 'Yahweh '?
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

This word is translated as 'Lord'

In the English Bible, but with so many christians claiming that they should be worshipping 'Yahweh', or that they worship 'Yahweh', where does Jesus ever say to worship 'Yahweh '?
The NT was written in Greek. There is no reference to any deity called Yahweh...but the terms that indicate the Christian God are ò Theòs, Kyrios, Pater.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Jesus never says to worship 'Yahweh'

This word is translated as 'Lord'

In the English Bible, but with so many christians claiming that they should be worshipping 'Yahweh', or that they worship 'Yahweh', where does Jesus ever say to worship 'Yahweh '?
Jesus never said to worship any god with a name. Father is not a name.He wanted people to worship the name he taught, over what the Jews were seeing and worshiping.

He called their (concept of) father the devil. John 8:44-49
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The NT was written in Greek. There is no reference to any deity called Yahweh...but the terms that indicate the Christian God are ò Theòs, Kyrios, Pater.
Therefore since the NT writers were fluent in Ancient Hebrew and Ancient Greek, YHVH isn't a name, and meant Lord To Be.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jesus never said to worship any god with a name. Father is not a name.He wanted people to worship the name he taught, over what the Jews were seeing and worshiping.

He called their (concept of) father the devil. John 8:44-49
Regardless of name, or title, the rendition of 'Jehovah', isn't 'Yahweh', anyway.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
It's a theology thing, I believe. The Father & the Son, are the same God.
Tho can understand that from what we've been given...

These verses have YHVH Elohim 'and' El Elyon as two different aspects of the Oneness of God:

2 Samuel 22:14 & Psalms 18:13 Yahweh thundered from heaven 'and' The Most High uttered his voice. + Psalms 21:7 + Psalms 50:14 + Psalms 78:35 + Psalms 92:1

The God Most High (El Elyon) manifests reality, and YHVH Elohim is a manifestation for us to understand.

Yeshua was an Avatar of YHVH the Arch Angel (Elohim).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jesus never said to worship any god with a name. Father is not a name.He wanted people to worship the name he taught, over what the Jews were seeing and worshiping.

He called their (concept of) father the devil. John 8:44-49

Wow. Thats true. Hence: I AM. Jews dont define it.

Where did christians get the name from in relations to jewish scripture?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Tho can understand that from what we've been given...

These verses have YHVH Elohim 'and' El Elyon as two different aspects of the Oneness of God:

2 Samuel 22:14 & Psalms 18:13 Yahweh thundered from heaven 'and' The Most High uttered his voice. + Psalms 21:7 + Psalms 50:14 + Psalms 78:35 + Psalms 92:1

The God Most High (El Elyon) manifests reality, and YHVH Elohim is a manifestation for us to understand.

Yeshua was an Avatar of YHVH the Arch Angel (Elohim).

In my opinion. :innocent:
I believe an argument, could be made, accordingly, yes. You might find some material in Isaiah , as well.

This may simply be a matter of religious belief, since, we do note the plurality, of God, regardless.

Differences in belief, sort of, aside, good argument.
 
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Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Wow. Thats true. Hence: I AM. Jews dont define it.

Where did christians get the name from in relations to jewish scripture?
Considering Moses did not get his knowledge from heaven, I would assume the Demiurges angels. It was angels that strongly influenced Jews. From both sides. Acts 7.

The Spirit of truth was delivered by Jesus as (first) Christ both directly from the Father in heaven.
 

Avoice1C

the means are the ends
Jesus never said to worship any god with a name. Father is not a name.He wanted people to worship the name he taught, over what the Jews were seeing and worshiping.

He called their (concept of) father the devil. John 8:44-49
Jesus called the entity that the priests worshiped was the devil not YHWH. YHWH described in the exodus and through out the Hebrew Scriptures desires righteousness and Jesus pointed out the those who attacked him verbally were not righteous but legalistic and sinful. The people that gravitated to Jesus and John the Baptist worshiped YHWH and heard Him in Jesus's words.
 

Avoice1C

the means are the ends
I believe an argument, could be made, accordingly, yes. You might find some material in Isaiah , as well.

This may simply be a matter of religious belief, since, we do note the plurality, of God, regardless.

Differences in belief, sort of, aside, good argument.
That is an interesting way to look at the Son of God. Unlike an avatar, Jesus had free choice.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Considering Moses did not get his knowledge from heaven, I would assume the Demiurges angels. It was angels that strongly influenced Jews. From both sides. Acts 7.

The Spirit of truth was delivered by Jesus as (first) Christ both directly from the Father in heaven.

What was it that angels did or said that influenced the jews?

Jews dont speak gods name even today. So, were there different type of angels not in the torah that would tell readers the father's actual name rather than lord or god?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What defines the creator, savior, and spirit differently based on whether he is called YHWH, jehovah, father, or god?

Are these names important to the nature of god other than being a creator, savior, or spirit?
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Jesus called the entity that the priests worshiped was the devil not YHWH. YHWH described in the exodus and through out the Hebrew Scriptures desires righteousness and Jesus pointed out the those who attacked him verbally were not righteous but legalistic and sinful. The people that gravitated to Jesus and John the Baptist worshiped YHWH and heard Him in Jesus's words.
The Jews and their fathers died. Their souls remained in Hades (the grave) until the truth was ministered to them.
John:
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The Jews were saved by their faith in the law. Not the truth. Once Jesus ministered to them in Hades, they arose and appeared to many (at the crucifixion). Until then, they were dead and "Yahweh" couldn't even save them.

John 6:58
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Which is why I don't eat the bread (knowledge) of the OT. It's the false gospel Paul spoke of in Galatians 1.

The gospel is the gospel. The Bible the Bible. Orthodox believe the Bible and are many. The Christ follows the Gospel of Christ.
 
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