Why you should stop calling Jesus YHWH

[Desert Snake]

In Hebraic, YHWH, does relate, to Jesus. However, in English, combined with the concept of, Father, Son, and Spirit, YHWH get's confused for the Father. The reason why the Father isn't the "same thing" as saying YHWH, is because it has a different religious concept to it, in the religion that it is normally, used, in.

 

[Desert Snake]

It is therefore also confusing, to call the Father, YHWH, because in the Christian Bible, this relates to Jesus.

Jesus : Lord
YHWH: Lord
Hence , the context, theologically, already has to be understood, for this usage, whether it parallels the Hebraic, or not.

 

[Deeje]

It is therefore also confusing, to call the Father, YHWH, because in the Christian Bible, this relates to Jesus.

Jesus : Lord
YHWH: Lord
Hence , the context, theologically, already has to be understood, for this usage, whether it parallels the Hebraic, or not.

Oh dear...you just don't get it do you?

Your premise is false.

Jesus doesn't mean "Lord"...it means “Jehovah Is Salvation”. The title "Lord" is given to many others, who are not divine. Nameless "Lords" are worshipped even in pagan religions.
When Israel fell to worshipping Baal....his name simply means "Lord". In Islam "Allah" means "Lord". YHWH is not a nameless "LORD".

YHWH according to the Hebrew means...."I Will Be What I Will Be"....implying that God can rise to any situation and "be" or become what he needs to be to fulfill his purpose.

According to Paul...."For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Who is the one God of Christians? The same God that Jesus worshipped...."yet for us there is one God, the Father...and one Lord, Jesus Christ" How is that not a simple and direct statement? What is difficult about it is that it fights with your own theology which is taught by Christendom....an apostate, fake Christianity that Jesus warned about. Christendom is the mirror image of apostate Judaism. I believe that both allowed the "traditions of men" to lead them away from God and into adopting the teachings of false worship.

 

[Desert Snake]

Oh dear...you just don't get it do you?

Your premise is false.

Jesus doesn't mean "Lord"...it means “Jehovah Is Salvation”. The title "Lord" is given to many others, who are not divine. Nameless "Lords" are worshipped even in pagan religions.
When Israel fell to worshipping Baal....his name simply means "Lord". In Islam "Allah" means "Lord". YHWH is not a nameless "LORD".

YHWH according to the Hebrew means...."I Will Be What I Will Be"....implying that God can rise to any situation and "be" or become what he needs to be to fulfill his purpose.

According to Paul...."For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Who is the one God of Christians? The same God that Jesus worshipped...."yet for us there is one God, the Father...and one Lord, Jesus Christ" How is that not a simple and direct statement? What is difficult about it is that it fights with your own theology which is taught by Christendom....an apostate, fake Christianity that Jesus warned about. Christendom is the mirror image of apostate Judaism. I believe that both allowed the "traditions of men" to lead them away from God and into adopting the teachings of false worship.

The premise is fine, for Christians, or Jesus adherents, who actually use the Bible, and Believe in the text.
What you are presenting, is a non christian, non Jesus adherent, interpretation of Scripture, that has really nothing to do with the actual premise.

 

[Deeje]

The premise is fine, for Christians, or Jesus adherents, who actually use the Bible, and Believe in the text.
What you are presenting, is a non christian, non Jesus adherent, interpretation of Scripture, that has really nothing to do with the actual premise.

That is a lot of ignoring of scripture......but you are free to believe whatever you think is right. I see it as one very serious breach of God's most important Commandment.
Christendom puts another "god" in place of the Father. Jesus would never subscribe to such an idea. He glorified his Father, not himself.

 

[Desert Snake]

That is a lot of ignoring of scripture......but you are free to believe whatever you think is right. I see it as one very serious breach of God's most important Commandment.
Christendom puts another "god" in place of the Father. Jesus would never subscribe to such an idea. H eglorified his Father, not himself.

The Father and Jesus, are both God. You are reading the Scripture in a manner that is incompatible with the theology, that it presents. It also is incompatible with the Deific names, hence why you have to change, presumably, Genesis 1:26 ,
For example.
If you believe that Jehovah is the only name of the Creator, and every other name or title, does not refer to Jehovah, then you can't even read Genesis, without a theological problem. If, you are using other names, and titles, for Jehovah, you are contradicting your own argument.

 

[wizanda]

jesus doesn't mean "Lord"...it means “Jehovah Is Salvation”.

Yah = Lord
Yah-avah = Lord+To Be
Yah-oshua = Lord+Saves
Yeshua = Salvation
jeh-sus = Lord+Beasts
Al-lah = The God

It is therefore also confusing, to call the Father, YHWH

Because YHVH is an Elohim, which is a plural made manifest by the father El Elyon (The God most High).

In my opinion.

 

[Desert Snake]

Because YHVH is an Elohim, which is a plural made manifest by the father El Elyon (The God most High).

In my opinion.

It should be noted, that you can't correlate YHWH specificity, to the Greek text.

 

[wizanda]

It should be noted, that you can't correlate YHWH specificity, to the Greek.

Which if we think rationally should tell us, that YHVH isn't a name, and simply meant Lord To Be, as it would have been transliterated by the authors of the NT.

In my opinion.

 

[Desert Snake]

Which if we think rationally should tell us, that YHVH isn't a name, and simply meant Lord To Be, as it would have been transliterated by the authors of the NT.

In my opinion.

It certainly is interesting, regardless of say, trinity concept, so forth.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In Hebraic, YHWH, does relate, to Jesus. However, in English, combined with the concept of, Father, Son, and Spirit, YHWH get's confused for the Father. The reason why the Father isn't the "same thing" as saying YHWH, is because it has a different religious concept to it, in the religion that it is normally, used, in.

Because some christians choose not to seperate the relationship between the savior and creator. Outside of that is nothing but denominational issues.

Edit

Trinitarians dont seperate an image from its source; they see the image and source the same. (By context)

Non-trinitarians do seperate image from its source because the source isnt its image by definition. (By content)

 

[RabbiO]

In Hebraic.......

In Hebraic??

Is that a language? You know, like English, French, German, Greek or Hebrew?

 

[Deeje]

The Father and Jesus, are both God. You are reading the Scripture in a manner that is incompatible with the theology, that it presents.

Well, I'm afraid that it is Christendom who has interpreted scripture that is incompatible with the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is their theology that has strayed from the original.

It also is incompatible with the Deific names, hence why you have to change, presumably, Genesis 1:26 ,

Who has to change Genesis 1:26? Since you have been shown scripture that places the son beside his Father who was directing creation, there is no need to alter anything. Read Colossians 1:15-17 again.

For example.
If you believe that Jehovah is the only name of the Creator, and every other name or title, does not refer to Jehovah, then you can't even read Genesis, without a theological problem. If, you are using other names, and titles, for Jehovah, you are contradicting your own argument.

I don't recall saying anything of the sort. You just constructed a straw man and beat him up.

I can read the whole Bible with no problems. God has many titles but only one name. Is that rocket science? He told Moses that YHWH was his name "forever" for all generations to come. (Exodus 3:13-15) Was he telling lies?

I contradict nothing but Christendom's false teachings about the true identity of God. It isnt Jesus. "The Most High" God is Jehovah....there is no one higher. (Psalm 83:18 KJV) The true God has no other name.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Its sad contextuals and contentuals look down on each other. I think I read in one of the last few pages of a gospel about eating on the sabbat. Jeus says that person eats on one day and another eats another. Both celebrate the sabbat. Celebration s more important than the day one celebrates.

Content? Context? Where did jesus say he cared about the logics of believing in his father whether through him literally or figuratively? Both go to the father.

 

[Desert Snake]

Its sad contextuals and contentuals look down on each other. I think I read in one of the last few pages of a gospel about eating on the sabbat. Jeus says that person eats on one day and another eats another. Both celebrate the sabbat. Celebration s more important than the day one celebrates.

Content? Context? Where did jesus say he cared about the logics of believing in his father whether through him literally or figuratively? Both go to the father.

Actually, the Father, and the Son, are both 'God'. The Son is not merely relaying a message, like in shamanic trance, or such.
Believing in Jesus, specifically, is very important, to Christian theology, ie believing that He is God, as the Scripture, says.
Hebrews 1:8
John 1:10

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Actually, the Father, and the Son, are both 'God'. The Son is not merely relaying a message, like in shamanic trance, or such.
Believing in Jesus, specifically, is very important, to Christian theology, ie believing that He is God, as the Scripture, says.
Hebrews 1:8
John 1:10

The creator, savior, and spirit are not the same.

God is a placeholder not a name for a specific creator. Sticking to the word creator, where in scripture does it define the savior as the creator?

Where does scripture say the spirit is the creater rather than coming from it?

Did the savior bless himself to ministry by baptism or did the creator?

Use creator, savior, and spirit. God is not christian. JHVH has different cultural implications between jews and christians. Same as Jehovah. Christ is not a name. Jesus is debated as well.

Stick with creator, savior, and spirit.

How are they each other and where is that said in scripture without using the words

From/through/image/incarnation/as

 

[Unveiled Artist]

7Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.” 8But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, andrighteousness will be the scepter of Your kingdom.9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has placed You above Your companions by anointing You with the oil of joy.”…

Sounds like the savior is talking about his father? Havent read hebrews in awhile. I gave away my bibles​

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Sounds like the creator.​

@Disciple of Jesus

You have to find verses without pronouns or find them with proper nouns so we know who is referring to. Single verses dont tell me that.

 

[Desert Snake]

7Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.” 8But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, andrighteousness will be the scepter of Your kingdom.9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has placed You above Your companions by anointing You with the oil of joy.”…

Sounds like the savior is talking about his father? Havent read hebrews in awhile. I gave away my bibles​

Hebrews 1:6

The Father is speaking, not Jesus. That is why it reads, 'but about the Son, He says...'

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hebrews 1:6

The Father is speaking, not Jesus. That is why it reads, 'but about the Son, He says...'

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.​

This shows relationship between father and son.

Relations is the "inity" and tri- refers to three. In the bible (I already quoted) there are the creator, savior, and spirit. They are a unit, a trinity or triad or whichever word you use.

It is specific in scripture. You Must. Must. Must. Go by scripture if you want to understand creator, savior, and spirit. You are just giving me the definition of trinity.

But for some reason you dont like that particular word.

Why?

 

[Desert Snake]

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.​

This shows relationship between father and son.

Relations is the "inity" and tri- refers to three. In the bible (I already quoted) there is the creator, savior, and spirit. They are a unit, a trinity or triad or whichever word you use.

It is specific in scripture. You Must. Must. Must. Go by scripture if you want to understand creator, savior, and spirit. You are just giving me the definition of trinity.

But for some reason you dont like that particular word.

Why?

I use triune. I don't dislike that word, however it is often mistaken to mean that Jesus, isn't God/ wrong interpretation.

So, I don't agree, with the incorrect interpretations.