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Biblical prophesy

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Perhaps you don't understand the context?

But the Isaiah prediction of an 'Alma having child' in context of Isaiah is fitting of a virgin birth and the Rabi's who translated the Hebrew into greek translated it as virgin
I understand the context. That is why I know that it is a historical verse and not a prophecy. Also, translators often do make such errors in translating large pieces. The longer a piece is the more likely an error will be made. The author of that verse also used both terms alma and bethulah indicating he knew the difference.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Actually it was Cypriot pottery... but... you are appealing to Kathleen Kenyon but her own main argument undoes her complete case... the Cypriot pottery was found in the rich section of town
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/304063412312616317/

and the grain left uneaten... as the Bible claimed it happened during Barley harvest... Rehab hid the spies under barley on the roof... all consistent
''The presence of these grain stores in the destroyed city is entirely consistent with the biblical account,'' Dr. Wood wrote. ''The city did not fall as a result of a starvation siege, as was so common in ancient times. Instead, the Bible tells us Jericho was destroyed after but seven days.''
Where is your link to an article that supports you? Until you provide one the simple wiki article that I linked earlier refutes your claim.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I have done the search. No credible sources could be found..

Rofl - Like I said, we ALL realize that nothing will suffice for you. That's why we don't attempt to change your mind. But the statistics of one person fulfilling just 8 prophecies still stands. :D You can dance around it, play with it and ignore it... but it still stands.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I'm pretty sure Nebuchadnezzar trashed Tyre, destroyed part of the city and most of the people abandoned it as a lost cause. There's no interpretation here and I think you can find the details outside of the Bible. Also, Ezekiel said in his prophecy that many other people would come and have a go at trashing it, history will show the likes of Alexander the great and the Roman Empire trashing the city also and probably a few others.
Nope, even the Bible admits that he did not. And no, his prophecy referred to Nebby. Nebby was called a "king of kings". He was the "many nations" . The Tyre prophecy is one of The worst failed prophecies in the Bible.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Rofl - Like I said, we ALL realize that nothing will suffice for you. That's why we don't attempt to change your mind. But the statistics of one person fulfilling just 8 prophecies still stands. :D You can dance around it, play with it and ignore it... but it still stands.
You made in he claim. That puts the burden of proof on you, not me. Others have pointed this out to you as well. Now you are trying to blame me because you can't support a bogus claim that you made. Classic.

You have yet to show one fulfilled prophecy. How can you claim eight?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Archaeologist Dr. Bryant Wood argues that the localized type of pottery called Cypriot Bi-chrome pottery was found in abundance within the destruction level of these walls. This is pottery that dates to the early part of the Late Bronze Period (or 15th century BC). If so, it matches perfectly with the Biblical record that tells us that Joshua conquered the city somewhere around 1,410 BC.

http://biblicalisraeltours.com/2016/08/the-walls-of-jericho/

Kathleen Kenyon's original argument completely falls apart
She looked in the poor section of town for expensive pottery
Still no valid link that supports your claim.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
I just saw this video by Aron Ra where he goes over why the prophecies of the Bible fail:


He points out quite correctly that to be valid a prophesy must be clear and have a set date. Given enough time any "prophecy" that is vague enough will be fulfilled. Quite often more than once. Lowering Bible prophecies to the level of "you will see a red car" would make all prophecy worthless.

You can watch the video if you like, but it is not a prerequisite to discuss prophecy here.

...This is true: "Given enough time any "prophecy" that is vague enough will be fulfilled."

Now, how to explain prophecies fulfilled about people rising from the dead!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
...This is true: "Given enough time any "prophecy" that is vague enough will be fulfilled."

Now, how to explain prophecies fulfilled about people rising from the dead!
What people rose from the dead? And where are the prophecies of that? Quote mining the Bible will be taken as a loss.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I just saw this video by Aron Ra where he goes over why the prophecies of the Bible fail:


He points out quite correctly that to be valid a prophesy must be clear and have a set date. Given enough time any "prophecy" that is vague enough will be fulfilled. Quite often more than once. Lowering Bible prophecies to the level of "you will see a red car" would make all prophecy worthless.

You can watch the video if you like, but it is not a prerequisite to discuss prophecy here.

I believe requiring a date is preposterous but I do agree a prophecy has more credence if it has unique details like a virgin giving birth. You can't get much more unique than that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe requiring a date is preposterous but I do agree a prophecy has more credence if it has unique details like a virgin giving birth. You can't get much more unique than that.

No requirement for a set date. Merely a ban on vague open ended prophecies.

There was no prophecy of a virgin birth. That is the result of a quote mine of a mistranslation.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe Daniel doesn't fall into the category of "he must have written it after the events occurred" argument because he wrote of events very far ahead of his time.
The Daniel prophecy that I am aware of fails due to being overly vague and having multiple cases of "fulfillment" .
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It is one of the common "sins" of Christianity. The quote mine the Old Testament. Sometimes they take a single verse out of context. No wonder that it is one of the favorite techniques of creationists.

And both Matthew and Luke showed that they were of Greek extraction since they both based a "prediction" on a mistranslation of the Septuagint into Greek. The Virgin Birth myth arose from the mistranslation of a historical verse and trying to change it into a prophecy. Luke really screwed up since he had Jesus being born in both roughly 4 BCE and 6 CE. He had him born before the death of Herod the Great and during the census of Quirinius.
Actually, the author of Matthew was writing to a Judaic audience, living in Greek territory. Matthew is highly Jewish in its writing.
 
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