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[savagewind]

Is it God's will that everyone become a disciple of Jesus? Matthew 28:19

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

 

[Audie]

how about you show me the inaccuracies? I believe it is 100% reliable and accurate based on the ability to resolve the issues no problem.

I already pointed out that rhe measurements
given for the "sea" in Kings are aproximate.
Measurements for the "ark" likewise.

Perhaps thou knowest not what "accurate"
means. The numbers are approximate.
If approx is 100%to you, do not attemt to
be an engineer, accountant or attorney.

"Accurate based on the ability to resolve
the issues no problem" is a phrase of
meaning opaque to any but you, if you
yourself can figure it out.

 

[anonymous9887]

Thank you for going through all my questions. Especially happy to see that we agree on point 1: That's a major important point IMHO.
1: I fully agree. We humans better never "sit on God's chair" making judgments in name of God [=blasphemy=death in the Bible]
2: I agree that God understands each situation. I disagree that Hindu Scriptures [also God's gift] are insufficient, and they still need Jesus.
3: Not sure what you meant with this. Maybe here you say "if you are sure about Hindu Scripture then it can be okay; God will know"
4: You misunderstood the question I think. I asked about Christians using "Emotional Blackmail" (can be also called Black Magic) when telling different believing human "You go to hell, unless accepting Jesus". I explained it in the post [see link below] if you want to know more about this.
Russia is Rounding up Jehovah's Witnesses.
5: Nice observation

You seem like a very kind person. I hope you get a good and useful database out of all the questions.

Love, Peace and Blessings to us all

3. My point was that if you have examined the bible and have determined it is true and willfully choose to oppose it then you are accountable. Or if you have confirmed on your own that your beliefs are false and continue there then you are accountable.

 

[anonymous9887]

Is it God's will that everyone become a disciple of Jesus? Matthew 28:19

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

yes it is his will. but of course he is a god that understands the circumstances of people.also.

 

[anonymous9887]

I already pointed out that rhe measurements
given for the "sea" in Kings are aproximate.
Measurements for the "ark" likewise.

Perhaps thou knowest not what "accurate"
means. The numbers are approximate.
If approx is 100%to you, do not attemt to
be an engineer, accountant or attorney.

"Accurate based on the ability to resolve
the issues no problem" is a phrase of
meaning opaque to any but you, if you
yourself can figure it out.

What makes you think that the arks measurements are approximate. Can you please cite the passages and explain them?

 

[anonymous9887]

Please grow up. This makes the entire narrAtive seem like mother Mary is a fraud and Joseph is an idiot. And Mary Magdalene a.hallucinating mad woman.

Nice talking to you.there is not much more to talk about, since you believe its a fairy tale. There are plenty of other aspects that prove the bible is gods word and that the accounts mentioned in it can be trusted.

 

[David T]

Nice talking to you.there is not much more to talk about, since you believe its a fairy tale. There are plenty of other aspects that prove the bible is gods word and that the accounts mentioned in it can be trusted.

I did not say that, I am not talking about the text at all. Funny atheists make the identical mistake they confuse what they think with what they are reading and believe what they are reading actually matches what they think. Rather impossible just based on language and conceptual morphology over 2000 years. Which church is not free from btw. Very normal. Do you "believe" that the original Christians are exactly like you? Hahahahahaha now that's funny.

 

[Audie]

What makes you think that the arks measurements are approximate. Can you please cite the passages and explain them?

It is kind of obvious.

The measurements are given in cubits. It is impossible to
get an absolutely exact measurement with any device.
but with the technology of the day any measurement would be
much less precise.

A cubit based on your arm would vary in length with each
beat of your heart.

Try to put a cubit on paper, do it several times. Each will be a
different length, and not just because of your pulse. That is
one of the lesser problems.

100 % accurate "ark" measurements? It is a silly idea.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is kind of obvious.

The measurements are given in cubits. It is impossible to
get an absolutely exact measurement with any device.
but with the technology of the day any measurement would be
much less precise.

A cubit based on your arm would vary in length with each
beat of your heart.

Try to put a cubit on paper, do it several times. Each will be a
different length, and not just because of your pulse. That is
one of the lesser problems.

100 % accurate "ark" measurements? It is a silly idea.

S
Since there never was an ark in the first place isn't it a moot point?

 

[Audie]

S
Since there never was an ark in the first place isn't it a moot point?

I used to have a lovely Russian blue cat. Her name was "Moot".

And no, to your q.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is kind of obvious.

The measurements are given in cubits. It is impossible to
get an absolutely exact measurement with any device.
but with the technology of the day any measurement would be
much less precise.

A cubit based on your arm would vary in length with each
beat of your heart.

Try to put a cubit on paper, do it several times. Each will be a
different length, and not just because of your pulse. That is
one of the lesser problems.

100 % accurate "ark" measurements? It is a silly idea.

Let's forget the fact that a person's arm length varies a bit. The amount of variance would be far greater between Noah and his sons, and even more if one includes all of the wives.

 

[sealchan]

If they choose to come crazy at me fine. the purpose is to have a data base of questions to study. And quite honestly I dont think I am conducting myself in a disrespectful manner even to those that may be deliberately rude. What do you think?

I don't see you as being disrespectful, just using the forum in a sub-oprimal way. Why not take any question you come across that sparks your interest in the various threads and add those to your "database of questions to study"?

 

[sealchan]

3. My point was that if you have examined the bible and have determined it is true and willfully choose to oppose it then you are accountable. Or if you have confirmed on your own that your beliefs are false and continue there then you are accountable.

Why would anyone "determine" something is true and then willfully oppose it? What if they thought it was true but found that life was "simply" more complicated than any rule book can cover?

And what if by the same method they determine that what they thought was true turned our to not always he true?

For one to be fully accountable one must be open to such changes in understanding.

 

[anonymous9887]

I did not say that, I am not talking about the text at all. Funny atheists make the identical mistake they confuse what they think with what they are reading and believe what they are reading actually matches what they think. Rather impossible just based on language and conceptual morphology over 2000 years. Which church is not free from btw. Very normal. Do you "believe" that the original Christians are exactly like you? Hahahahahaha now that's funny.

I believe that the 1st century christians followed the same bible principals as we do. as long as you do not violate the bible principals there is room for diversity.

 

[anonymous9887]

It is kind of obvious.

The measurements are given in cubits. It is impossible to
get an absolutely exact measurement with any device.
but with the technology of the day any measurement would be
much less precise.

A cubit based on your arm would vary in length with each
beat of your heart.

Try to put a cubit on paper, do it several times. Each will be a
different length, and not just because of your pulse. That is
one of the lesser problems.

100 % accurate "ark" measurements? It is a silly idea.

the direction god gave Noah was to save his life and it was preserved, plus we dont know what kind of tools he had. There are still some things they did in ancient times that we cannot figure out.

 

[anonymous9887]

Why would anyone "determine" something is true and then willfully oppose it? What if they thought it was true but found that life was "simply" more complicated than any rule book can cover?

And what if by the same method they determine that what they thought was true turned our to not always he true?

For one to be fully accountable one must be open to such changes in understanding.

Thats the point if you know something is right and you choose to oppose it because of temporary benefits then you deserve the consequenses of your actions.

I would argue that the bible gives us what we need to handle everyday situations. look at the proverbs.

Could our understanding change? absolutely.

 

[Subduction Zone]

the direction god gave Noah was to save his life and it was preserved, plus we dont know what kind of tools he had. There are still some things they did in ancient times that we cannot figure out.

You are forgetting one very important point. There was no flood of Noah. How do you deal with that?

 

[anonymous9887]

Let's forget the fact that a person's arm length varies a bit. The amount of variance would be far greater between Noah and his sons, and even more if one includes all of the wives.

Who said they are going to keep measuring their arms? can they not come up with a ruler of some sort by measuring one of their arms and use that?

BTW Aron Ra is clearly emotional when it comes to debunking religion, I tend to not listen to people like that.I try to listen to people that are respectful of others beliefs. He complains about creationist pushing their religion and being aggressive and stupid. Yet he is doing exactly the same thing, so as a person he is no better than the aggressive creationist.

You creationist are stupid for believing in a god. You are wrong for believing in a god. here are the facts but your stupid. Yeah I really want to follow him.

I personally think that I will listen to an educated, respectful person that is not emotionally unbalanced

 

[anonymous9887]

You are forgetting one very important point. There was no flood of Noah. How do you deal with that?

how about this, I will take you on in a detailed discussion on another thread about Noahs flood, or we can do it through message.

My rules are you cannot be disrespectful, and you have to know what you are talking about, you just cant cite somebody elses work without really even reading it yourself.

If you have a list of the objections that would be great. No sarcasm. if there is 200 objections then cite them, and we will look at each one.there cannot be an infinite amount of objections, so number them all and we will handle them one by one.

but if you are just going to be disrespectful and are not willing to look at these in a analytical way then lets not waste both of our time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who said they are going to keep measuring their arms? can they not come up with a ruler of some sort by measuring one of their arms and use that?

BTW Aron Ra is clearly emotional when it comes to debunking religion, I tend to not listen to people like that.I try to listen to people that are respectful of others beliefs. He complains about creationist pushing their religion and being aggressive and stupid. Yet he is doing exactly the same thing, so as a person he is no better than the aggressive creationist.

You creationist are stupid for believing in a god. You are wrong for believing in a god. here are the facts but your stupid. Yeah I really want to follow him.

I personally think that I will listen to an educated, respectful person that is not emotionally unbalanced

Poor excuse. With the idiocy that is constantly spread by flood believers he is more than calm. And no, he is not pushing religion, that may be your sin, it is not his. He is pushing testable verifiable facts. He was only one example of a person demonstrating how wrong your beliefs are. You can't refute his claim so you have to attack his character. That is not the proper action for someone that claims to be a Christian.

By the way, he does not say "you are stupid for believing in a god". How did you get that message from the video? It would be rather stupid to believe in a lying God, yet creationists seem to have no problem with a God that lies.