Jumi
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That's the only way to come to that conclusion, yes.
That's in the New Testament.
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Lucifer & Satan: Same, different, or what?
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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I'm looking at Ezekiel 28, especially Verses 11-19, that might be interpreted that way. It's obviously a reference to the Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant, with "your mountings and settings were crafted of gold" and the precious stones and such. It's interesting how the thetorah.com site mentioned that the Cherubim were to be placed so they confront one another (as in adversarial) and the word used to denote this is also used to suggest brothers, {like the adversarial Cain and Abel;} and that the Cherubim were also placed to guard Eden.
The more I look into this, the more interesting it becomes!
The way the Ark was to be orientated is such that one Cherubim was in the north, and the other in the South. I remember different prophesies regarding king of the north and king of the south, so I might need to investigate this a bit further!
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TheBannerofHomuraAkemi
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Probably, But my intentions our pure. We could have a healthy relationship.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
So it doesn't really say that, you've just got to pretend that it does with "interpretation".
Inanna-Ishtar has less to do with Lucifer than Satan does.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
None of these verses use the name, Lucifer, in at least this version, of the English Bible.
The Latin version does use Lucifer for the Greek Phosphoros in 2 Peter 1:19. Revelation mentions Jesus as the Morning Star, but not using using the term Phosphoros.
There are several translations of the English Bible. Most of the English versions on Biblegateway.com don't even use even use the word Lucifer at all. Where Lucifer is used in some of the English Bibles, it is not replaced with the word "Satan" in the English Bibles that don't use the term lucifer at all. Instead, the term "morning star" or "day-star" is used.
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Only for those who fail to see the linkages. Both names have associations with the planet Venus.
Yeah, it's like the Ancient Egyptians with Isis accompanying Ra during the day and Nephthys accompanying Ra through the duat at night. "Ascend and Descend. Descend with Nephthys, sink into the darkness with the Night-bark. Ascend and Descent. Ascend with Isis, arise with the Day-Bark." (from the Pyramid texts, I think. I'd have to look it up to be sure.)
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
No, only for those who 'want' to see the linkages (associations).
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Lucifer isn't used for Jesus, in the English Bible, so, not really sure what your argument is.
It's clear that the 'fallen angel', in the English Bible, relates to other verses about Satan.
Where the name Satan, is used.
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EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
You misunderstood what Crossfire said . . .
Touche!
Well, think about it: where exactly did Jesus come from before he came to earth to live as a human and die?
When Jesus called Peter "Satan," was he saying that Peter was a 'fallen angel?'
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
That is up for some interpreration.
The fact is, in the English Bible, they used 'Lucifer', referring to a fallen angel. Elsewhere, 'satan', is used for a fallen angel.
Clearly, the intent is that satan as a direct name inference, and not a description, means the fallen angel.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Again, Lucifer is not used for Jesus, in the English Bible.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Either Lucifer, is used for Jesus, in the English Bible, or it isn't.
In the English Bible, both Lucifer and Satan, refer directly, to a fallen angel.
In the English Bible, both Lucifer and Satan, refer directly, to a fallen angel.
2 Peter 1:19 the word is translated as Morning Star or Day-Star in most English versions. Like I mentioned earlier, many, if not most, English translations of the Bible don't even use the word "Lucifer."
So are you saying that Jesus was calling Peter a fallen angel, or not, at Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33?