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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Q02: Why the condition "Jesus is the only way"? okay for a Christian, "creating aggression" if said to "non-Christian". Is that really what Jesus asks of evangelists?
2. I am not sure I understand question 2. But here goes, there are many book and theories out there and they all cant be true (Matthew 7:13-14). The bible encourages to search diligently and ask questions (proverbs 2:1-6; Proverbs 14:15). If i didnt understand the question please elaborate

Q2: Okay, I was not so clear. Try to do better. Christians claim that God gave them the Bible. Hindus have their scriptures, as have Muslims, Buddhists and Atheists have their science and use their conscience.

Hurting someone unasked makes them angry. Talking bad about their believe is like stepping on their "heart", their "soul" or whatever word is used in that religion. According to the Bible all that matters is your "soul". So stepping on someone's soul is worse than killing.

According to me "stepping on someone's soul" is "not done". We are all creations of "God". So criticizing someones religion = soul equals to criticizing "God you made this creation of yours wrong". Also you criticize the scriptures "God" gave them. This comes close to Blasphemy, which is to be punished by death, according to the Bible. And Koran says the same. So both can be as well God's Word [at least this one matches].

So, I am smart, and try hard to stay far away from criticizing "God". But many Christians [and also other religious people] don't. They speak out judgement on other religions.

I believe we only need to "Glorify Our Lord". God can never ask from us to demean other religions.
Because the highest Commandment is "Love.....". And "do not judge".
 

anonymous9887

bible reader
True, and I fully expect that it will rapidly become apparent that it's not worth my time. But, for now, I'd love to hear why your explanations should be deemed particularly valuable.
I love the truth, I love to research, I love Jehovah, I love people and want what is best for those around me, I am pretty transparent (which most people are not), I have done extensive research, and I think I can bring some value to a discussion.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I love the truth, I love to research, I love Jehovah, I love people and want what is best for those around me, I am pretty transparent (which most people are not), I have done extensive research, and I think I can bring some value to a discussion.
Very well.

What is your preferred translation of Genesis 1:1-3, why, and what is the implication of that choice?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
please provide the reference. Quick answer is Jehovah was referring to the commercial empire that Tyre was at the time, never has it become the commercial empire it once was.

Nope. You failed. The object of the prophesy was the king of Tyre, but even with your changed prophesy it failed. Tyre recovered shortly after Nebuchadnezzar 's attack.. And it can still be found today. Misinterpreting the Bible to the extent that you are doing makes the whole book meaningless.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I love the truth, I love to research, I love Jehovah, I love people and want what is best for those around me, I am pretty transparent (which most people are not), I have done extensive research, and I think I can bring some value to a discussion.
if you loved the truth you would admit to the Bible's shortcomings. A Christian should not great the Bible as a false idol.
 

anonymous9887

bible reader
Q2: Okay, I was not so clear. Try to do better. Christians claim that God gave them the Bible. Hindus have their scriptures, as have Muslims, Buddhists and Atheists have their science and use their conscience.

Hurting someone unasked makes them angry. Talking bad about their believe is like stepping on their "heart", their "soul" or whatever word is used in that religion. According to the Bible all that matters is your "soul". So stepping on someone's soul is worse than killing.

According to me "stepping on someone's soul" is "not done". We are all creations of "God". So criticizing someones religion = soul equals to criticizing "God you made this creation of yours wrong". Also you criticize the scriptures "God" gave them. This comes close to Blasphemy, which is to be punished by death, according to the Bible. And Koran says the same. So both can be as well God's Word [at least this one matches].

So, I am smart, and try hard to stay far away from criticizing "God". But many Christians [and also other religious people] don't. They speak out judgement on other religions.

I believe we only need to "Glorify Our Lord". God can never ask from us to demean other religions.
Because the highest Commandment is "Love.....". And do not judge.
1. So first of all I would say I have a different view on what the soul is in light of the scriptures
2. we have all these books that all cant be right, because in one way or another they contradict each other. What I am saying is that we as individuals should be able to examine these things very carefully and draw our own conclusions. should we criticize other religions.No. But we as individuals should be able to explain why we have made the choice we made. Everyone has a reason why they chose what they chose. We should never allow our emotions to take control of the situation. For instance I would hope I can express my beliefs without being pushy and without others criticizing me.
 

anonymous9887

bible reader
Nope. You failed. The object of the prophesy was the king of Tyre, but even with your changed prophesy it failed. Tyre recovered shortly after Nebuchadnezzar 's attack.. And it can still be found today. Misinterpreting the Bible to the extent that you are doing makes the whole book meaningless.
lets take a look at the references. bring them out. Tyre does exist, but that commercial empire it once was has never come into existence again
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
One needs to be careful if one is Christian, or a believer in any religion. The books that contains one's beliefs were written by man and are not perfect. They all have errors in them. If there is a message one should be able to see it regardless of the errors. But denying the errors only tells others of a weakness in one's faith.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
lets take a look at the references. bring them out. Tyre does exist, but that commercial empire it once was has never come into existence again
So what? That was not the prophesy. This reinterpretation of the Bible makes prophesy worthless. If you want to claim that it is fine with me.
 

Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
Feel free to ask me about the theology of scripture, manuscripts, life biggest questions, alleged contradictions, context of passages etc... I dont know everything but I like to hear the objections and the difficult questions and problems people have with scripture. Please provide the references if possible, and any relevant evidence.

This should keep you busy
 

anonymous9887

bible reader
Very well.

What is your preferred translation of Genesis 1:1-3, why, and what is the implication of that choice?
You probably know Hebrew, I do not. (right off the bat)
1. I do have to rely on other sources like Strong's concordance, Vines, and Brown Driver Briggs
2. When it come to a Hebrew translation I rely on 2 translations JPS Hebrew English Tanach and my New world translation.
3. I have always trusted that JPS is the most trusted translation for the Hebrew scriptures. And the new world translation, because the organization is so thorough when it comes to being honest to the text like restoring YHWH, Removing the added footnotes like the longer ending of mark and 1 John 5:7
4. But as for Genesis 1:1-3 I honestly have not taken a look at the Hebrew grammar Except for the word bara.
5. maybe you can enlighten me on why it is so important?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Feel free to ask me about the theology of scripture, manuscripts, life biggest questions, alleged contradictions, context of passages etc... I dont know everything but I like to hear the objections and the difficult questions and problems people have with scripture. Please provide the references if possible, and any relevant evidence.
Why does Abrahamic god need prophets, instead of just telling everyone the same thing?
Tom
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
1. God does know all things, but this is where things get a little controversial, because free will comes into play. I just did the research on free will the other day, and it all comes down to being programmed with a life to carry out or being able to make our own choices what we want to do.

2. I do not believe hell to be a place of fiery eternal torment. The person simply ceases to exist.

3. Now since god knows all things I would have to assume that if he sent someone to eternal sleep then no matter what god did to demonstrate his love to the person the person was unwilling to accept rehabilitation. Because the one thing god will not touch is your ability to choose. So if the person simply is unwilling to change and everything has been attempted for a long period of time and god sees that the person will never change now what? I think that is fair, that when all your options have been exhausted and you do not want to change you are judged. Otherwise unfortunately you will affect those around you.

Thank you for the reply
1: Correct, the free will thing is the trouble maker. People abusing "Free Will" use it more as in "Free Desire" IMHO.
2: Sounds much better. Hell=judgement. "Cease to exist" will be taken care by "God's Natural Law" [without judgement]. Feels good to me.
3: I still would not ascribe the term "judged" to God. God made plenty of Natural Laws taking care of stuff, so He needs not to judge Himself/OwnCreation.
 

Apologes

Active Member
So what? That was not the prophesy. This reinterpretation of the Bible makes prophesy worthless. If you want to claim that it is fine with me.

Not really. Ancient texts didn't shy away from hyperbole as a literary device to emphasize certain things. The real question here is did the author really mean it that way?
 

Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
My best guess is this poster is going to be bombarded with questions that he probably wont be able to answer and that's ok.

I think it's important to add that one doesn't have to know everything to have a belief in something. My wife believes the brakes on our car will stop her, but she has knowledge of hydraulics.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I dont say that it is required to be the authority of god, its more like it has proven itself to be the authority of god. I personally believe we do need god as an authority because for thousands of years man has not been able to achieve world peace or any favorable conditions for all people around the world. Jeremiah 10:23
New testament Joseph ignored bible and married mary seems like It worked out fine. I have a natural affinity to what religion is about, I have very natural aversion as soon as it starts to explain. Which is alright and is totally consistent with sciences view on nature. I have an affinity to life interconnected I have an aversion as soon as It starts to explain that in mechanical terms. They seem to both share a common view on nature with disagreements.to the details is all.

But that's my weirdness. I stick to music and long hikes in the wilderness. It all seems.more of an problem in culture than realistic. .
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Im not sure if your being sarcastic, but if I am coming off as debating I am sorry. I am learning as I am going also. I of course believe the bible to be god's word, and I love to continue to learn about different aspects of the bible, and I love to talk to people about these kinds of subjects.

Oh, no. Not at all sarcastic. I "hate" sarcasm,irony,cynicism.
I was just trying to help you to keep the post clean.
Because by accident I saw it was "not debate", so I thought maybe others don't see it either.

You are doing fine. I appreciate it. And all respect for you, if all people ask 3 difficult question you will be quite busy.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Not really. Ancient texts didn't shy away from hyperbole as a literary device to emphasize certain things. The real question here is did the author really mean it that way?


Hard to say. It is clear that the Tyre prophecy was in reference to the attack of Nebuchadnezzar. The author knew that was going to happen. He predicted victory for Nebby, but it did not happen. Tyre had a history of being attacked both before and after the prophecy, extending it past that one attack is a totally unjustified reinterpretation. And of course the Tyre prophesy was a twofer (buy one get one free) he also included a failed prophecy about Egypt in it. Zeke was not firing on all eight cylinders when he wrote that.
 
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