atheism and morality

[Woberts]

What's godless communism?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I understood the question. My question still holds

And I answered it. You can't know... and that was the whole point... which I would still assert that you didn't understand based on your continued circling back on it.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

And I answered it. You can't know... and that was the whole point... which I would still assert that you didn't understand based on your continued coming back about it.

If I cant know it then the opposite cannot be known either.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

A lot of people died in support of "godless communism" over the years.

Did they die for the "cause" of atheism? That's the original question. And I'm pretty sure a man made of straw isn't going to be the answer.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Ta

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

If I cant know it then the opposite cannot be known either.

What's "the opposite"? Atheists imploding themselves for God?

 

[Shushersbedamned]

What's "the opposite"? Atheists imploding themselves for God?

Has an atheist committed a terror attack in the name of atheism - or something along the lines...

I do not know. I have never heard of such a thing. But it actually well possible. However, we say well we don't know.

We don't know.

Has an atheist ever commuted a terror attack in the name of atheism? Tell me they have not, won't you?

Well. I don' know.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Has an atheist committed a terror attack in the name of atheism - or something along the lines...

I do not know. I have never heard of such a thing. But it actually well possible. However, we say well we don't know.

We don't know.

Has an atheist ever commuted a terror attack in the name of atheism? Tell me they have not, won't you?

Well. I don' know.

As others have said... it would have been absolutely plastered all over the news. Also, theists would not EVER let the "community" of atheists live it down. As has already been shown, we can't even live down "godless communism" - which does not represent some kind of atheist ideology or "agenda" whatsoever. It represents authoritarian communism - with an added "we're going to outlaw God" element.

So you can be sure that no atheist ever blew themselves up in the name of atheism. If you're going so far as to blow yourself up for a cause, you MAKE THAT CAUSE KNOWN. And if that had ever happened where atheism was the cause... again... theists would NEVER shut up about it.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

So you can be sure that no atheist ever blew themselves up in the name of atheism. If you're going so far as to blow yourself up for a cause, you MAKE THAT CAUSE KNOWN. And if that had ever happened where atheism was the cause... again... theists would NEVER shut up about it.

I am not sure.

Maybe he had poor connection at the worst time? The train went into a tunnel? Low battery? Wrong dial? Constipation? Mute? Bad temperament? Broken shoelace? Too much curry for dinner? Sleep deprivation?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I am not sure.

Maybe he had poor connection at the worst time? The train went into a tunnel? Low battery? Wrong dial? Constipation? Mute? Bad temperament? Broken shoelace? Too much curry for dinner? Sleep deprivation?

You're right. I am suffering from all of those things right now, blame God, and have decided to blow myself up in protest... but will neglect to write a note sufficiently explaining. Good thing you have this paper-trail on RF.

 

[Valjean]

I think we need to consider the basic tenets of communism/socialism before declaring it irreparably evil just because a couple of tyrannic, authoritarian states pretended to be pro social.

Wouldn't most people prefer to live under a compassionate system dedicated to human rights and happiness, rather than a heartless, dog-eat-dog, sink or swim, capitalism?

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I think we need to consider the basic tenets of communism/socialism before declaring it irreparably evil just because a couple of tyrannic, authoritarian states pretended to be pro social.

Wouldn't most people prefer to live under a compassionate system dedicated to human rights and happiness, rather than a heartless, dog-eat-dog, sink or swim, capitalism?

Why are those the only options?

 

[Audie]

Did they die for the "cause" of atheism? That's the original question. And I'm pretty sure a man made of straw isn't going to be the answer.

Atheism is not a cause. It is simply being a normal person
who is not caught up in "god-belief".

Shall we assume you are not trying to set up a strawman,
suggesting that it is?

People get all excited and fight over football.

I have no interest; something of an afootballist.

I would hardly get into drunk brawls over my
disinterest in football.

People do go out and get themselves killed for
all sorts of idealistic causes. Atheism is not a
a cause, it is not idealistic.

Maybe the concept is incomprehensible to someone
bitten with the religion bug.

I recognize that many religious sorts feel that
self-flagellation or sacrifice unto death is quite
sanctimonious and admirable.

If it is so that nobody goes out to die for the "cause"
of atheism, good. What a stupid thing that
would be, to do.

If that seems somehow wrong to a religious person,
so much the worse for them.

 

[Audie]

I think we need to consider the basic tenets of communism/socialism before declaring it irreparably evil just because a couple of tyrannic, authoritarian states pretended to be pro social.

Wouldn't most people prefer to live under a compassionate system dedicated to human rights and happiness, rather than a heartless, dog-eat-dog, sink or swim, capitalism?

An impossible to achieve ideal vs an evil system that also
cannot exist. Goodness.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Atheism is not a cause. It is simply being a normal person
who is not caught up in "god-belief".

Shall we assume you are not trying to set up a strawman,
suggesting that it is?

People get all excited and fight over football.

I have no interest; something of an afootballist.

I would hardly get into drunk brawls over my
disinterest in football.

People do go out and get themselves killed for
all sorts of idealistic causes. Atheism is not a
a cause, it is not idealistic.

Maybe the concept is incomprehensible to someone
bitten with the religion bug.

I recognize that many religious sorts feel that
self-flagellation or sacrifice unto death is quite
sanctimonious and admirable.

If it is so that nobody goes out to die for the "cause"
of atheism, good. What a stupid thing that
would be, to do.

If that seems somehow wrong to a religious person,
so much the worse for them.

Slow down killer. The reason I put the word cause in quotes in my post is because I know there is no common cause to atheism. Hence the reason I know people didn't die for atheism... even in your poor attempt at an example - "godless communism." Mine was, again, a rhetorical question. I already knew the answer. What is with people being so literal today?

 

[Audie]

Slow down killer. The reason I put the word cause in quotes in my post is because I know there is no common cause to atheism. Hence the reason I know people didn't die for atheism... even in your poor attempt at an example - "godless communism." Mine was, again, a rhetorical question. i already knew the answer. What is with people being so literal today?

Who me? Literal minded? My evil twin maybe.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Oh gracious the hypothetical hypocrisy argument rises its ugly head again.

You're the one who threw the "godless communism" comment out there.

Are you seriously meaning to tell me that if someone is willing to make the absolutely ridiculous stretch to attribute "godless communism" to atheists (your comment was definitely not the first of its kind I've seen mind you), that having an actual example of an atheist hurting other people and themselves over atheism wouldn't have those same people frothing at the mouth to pull that example out at every mention of the word "atheist?"

You don't even seem to be of a very strong theist persuasion, or strongly against atheists at all, and yet YOU STILL pulled the "godless communism" bit. Give me a break.

 

[Audie]

You're the one who threw the "godless communism" comment out there.

Are you seriously meaning to tell me that if someone is willing to make the absolutely ridiculous stretch to attribute "godless communism" to atheists (your comment was definitely not the first of its kind I've seen mind you), that having an actual example of an atheist hurting other people and themselves over atheism wouldn't have those same people frothing at the mouth to pull that example out at every mention of the word "atheist?"

You don't even seem to be of a very strong theist persuasion, or strongly against atheists at all, and yet YOU STILL pulled the "godless communism" bit. Give me a break.

You don't even seem to be of a very strong theist persuasion, or strongly against atheists

Lol

Jester understood what I was saying.

I am approx as religious as a house cat, or
a perhaps an artichoke.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You don't even seem to be of a very strong theist persuasion, or strongly against atheists

Lol

Jester understood what I was saying.

I am approx as religious as a house cat, or
a perhaps an artichoke.

I'll just shoot straight here... no facetiousness, sarcasm, rhetoricals, etc.

Are you of the opinion that "godless communism" can be pinned on "atheism?" And specifically within the confines of this thread, do you believe that any deaths that we might count as victims of "godless communism" can be also attributed to "atheism?"

 

[David T]

I know atheists who are more ethical/moral in their behavior than many so-called believers.

A low bar in many cases!!!