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atheism and morality

syo

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there are parts in our world were atheism is illegal. many people of religion think that atheists, since they don't believe in god, they have no morals. this is a misconception. morality can be and is independent of god. a person shouldn't necessarily believe in a creator god in order to have a high ethical standard. as long as atheists are moral beings they can deny god as long as they wish. laws shouldn't ban atheism.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
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there are parts in our world were atheism is illegal. many people of religion think that atheists, since they don't believe in god, they have no morals. this is a misconception. morality can be and is independent of god. a person shouldn't necessarily believe in a creator god in order to have a high ethical standard. as long as atheists are moral beings they can deny god as long as they wish. laws shouldn't ban atheism.

That IMO is what we have civil laws for. While I may not agree with the moral values of a particular law it's usually what a majority of folks accept as ethical behavior.

My morals are based on my feelings. I don't need anyone else to agree with them or particularly like them. However I agree with following civil laws because I feel this will provide the most common good.

Not everyone does, that's why we have criminals. Those are the folks we need to deal with. Not me just because my moral views aren't the same as yours.
 
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David T

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I actually know these heathen god forsaken lost heretic christians. If I didn't know better I would say they are Catholic!!!!
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Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
It appears to me that if you dont believe in the Evangelical/charismatic/fundamentalist God, then your morals must be questionable. Maybe that's true, but in my experience so of the most obnoxious, judgemental and difficult people to get on with have been those in the God group. OUCH....

I think maybe they never got the memo on good fruit being more important than believing correctly.
 

Altfish

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If you are a Christian and you sin/do wrong; you pray to god or go to confession or whatever and gain forgiveness. Therefore what is the incentive to not sin?

As an atheist, I do not seek forgiveness from a god; I take it on the chin when I've done wrong.
Surely my incentive to not do wrong is greater.
 

Trackdayguy

Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
If you are a Christian and you sin/do wrong; you pray to god or go to confession or whatever and gain forgiveness. Therefore what is the incentive to not sin?

As an atheist, I do not seek forgiveness from a god; I take it on the chin when I've done wrong.
Surely my incentive to not do wrong is greater.

Taking it on the chin is good, but we all need forgiveness, mostly from other people.
 

Unveiled Artist

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there are parts in our world were atheism is illegal. many people of religion think that atheists, since they don't believe in god, they have no morals. this is a misconception. morality can be and is independent of god. a person shouldn't necessarily believe in a creator god in order to have a high ethical standard. as long as atheists are moral beings they can deny god as long as they wish. laws shouldn't ban atheism.

How do religious know people are atheist to where it is considered illegal?

Are atheist going againat cultural laws that make it illegal to do something contrary to their customs even if their lack of belief need be hidden?

Do atheists do anything to connect their disbelief in god with something they did relating to it to make their disbelief illegal?
 

Vee

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there are parts in our world were atheism is illegal. many people of religion think that atheists, since they don't believe in god, they have no morals. .

Generally, in those parts of the world religious leaders are also in control of politics. I'm pretty sure they use that sort of law to keep people under their control and deep down it has nothing to do with faith. It's not because they say so that an atheist is going to become a believer. They should worry about their own hypocrisy before pointing fingers at anyone else.
 
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Shushersbedamned

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It's not atheism that is illegal but pronouncing it.

I don't believe atheists don't believe in God.

A man with God within him is morally more correct while a man with no God in him is always corrupt.

If a person says he does not believe in a God I take him to be such a fool he could not possibly be left to judge the coming days with his profound nasal intuition.
 

Phantasman

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It's how one see's what Gods will is by the heart.

In orthodox Christianity, they teach of the OT tithing. When the church receives such, they impart their parts for the elites and the physical (buildings, organizational costs, etc.) and what's left, an apportion given to the poor and sick.

If one is not considered a "church member" and apportions a greater part for the needs of the poor, skipping the elite and physical demands (of the church), then who has done the spiritual will of God?

The "church" of Christ are the saints, not as orthodoxy says, but as the individuals do. To add a mans name after the word "saint" is made to see what is not correct.

Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect. Thus one who hears the word "God" does not perceive what is correct, but perceives what is incorrect. So also with "the Father" and "the Son" and "the Holy Spirit" and "life" and "light" and "resurrection" and "the Church (Ekklesia)" and all the rest - people do not perceive what is correct but they perceive what is incorrect, unless they have come to know what is correct. The names which are heard are in the world [...] deceive. If they were in the Aeon (eternal realm), they would at no time be used as names in the world. Nor were they set among worldly things. They have an end in the Aeon.- Gospel of Philip

An atheist of good heart has a better chance of understanding what is driving his heart than those who follow the men who claim that the church creates a good heart.

The church doesn't have the ability to judge others.

Matthew:
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus starts this with:
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

The word atheist is as misunderstood as the word "Christian". God is love. Love is of God.

And even those who use the word "Christian" will be judged. The "name" is love. Not just of their own, but of all others whom love.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
FYI
"Atheists living in 13 countries risk being condemned to death, just for their beliefs (or non-belief) according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday. All 13 countries identified by the study are Muslim majority.

The countries that impose these penalties are Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. With the exception of Pakistan, those countries all allow for capital punishment against apostasy, i.e., the renunciation of a particular religion. Pakistan, meanwhile, imposes the death penalty for blasphemy, which can obviously include disbelief in God."
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Valjean

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I would certainly expect atheists to be more moral than theists, just as I'd expect a cripple using crutches to be less balanced than a fit person.

I'd expect an internalized morality to be more robust than a morality based on an external list of dos and don'ts.
 
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syo

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How do religious know people are atheist to where it is considered illegal?

Are atheist going againat cultural laws that make it illegal to do something contrary to their customs even if their lack of belief need be hidden?

Do atheists do anything to connect their disbelief in god with something they did relating to it to make their disbelief illegal?
i don't know, it's up to them, i guess.
 
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