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Neither is the Mustard Plant a tree, which birds can rest in.
In my opinion.
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Neither is the Mustard Plant a tree, which birds can rest in.
In my opinion.
'In another post there was mention of Matthew 13:31-32 where Jesus speaks to the multitudes saying,
"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches."
which reminded me of this little fact.
CONCLUSION: The mustard seed is not "the smallest of all seeds."SEEDScomparative sizes
(FYI, Wolffia is a genus of 9 to 11 species which include the smallest flowering plants on Earth.
Commonly called watermeal or duckweed, these aquatic plants resemble specks of cornmeal
floating on the water.)
As for an explanation, I'm talking about a rational explanation here, not some rubbish that Jesus was only talking about seeds from plants in the area, or that because he was speaking in a proverbial/parable style he wasn't making a statement of fact.
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He was talking to the gardeners and farmers of Judea so they all would already know that the mustard seed is the smallest seed they planted around there.In another post there was mention of Matthew 13:31-32 where Jesus speaks to the multitudes saying,
"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches."
which reminded me of this little fact.
CONCLUSION: The mustard seed is not "the smallest of all seeds."SEEDScomparative sizes
(FYI, Wolffia is a genus of 9 to 11 species which include the smallest flowering plants on Earth.
Commonly called watermeal or duckweed, these aquatic plants resemble specks of cornmeal
floating on the water.)
As for an explanation, I'm talking about a rational explanation here, not some rubbish that Jesus was only talking about seeds from plants in the area, or that because he was speaking in a proverbial/parable style he wasn't making a statement of fact.
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Christians are the ones who claim an omniscient god inspired the Bible, so where's the error in thinking that what is said in the Bible should be true? Or are you of the opinion that god has included falsehoods, lies, and erroneous material in his book?So according to you, God should look like your idea of a magical genie and Jesus should have magical knowledge of science, and not speak in metaphors because God needs to be precise scientifically in order for you to believe in God. I see......
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I don't see where he said "the smallest of all seeds in the world." If he is talking about what is being planted in a man's field and comparing one plant to all the other garden plants, he could easily have been talking about "of all seeds" planted in the garden.
74X12 said:He was talking to the gardeners and farmers of Judea so they all would already know that the mustard seed is the smallest seed they planted around there.
Well I think you're adding to the scripture. You're making it say that it's the smallest seed in the whole world. It doesn't say that. Keep it context of who He is talking to and what He's talking about. So the parable was for Jews who were used to planting gardens or knew at least something about it. It's basically gardener jargon and you're making it out to be literal.Christians are the ones who claim an omniscient god inspired the Bible, so where's the error in thinking that what is said in the Bible should be true? Or are you of the opinion that god has included falsehoods, lies, and erroneous material in his book?
The bible says that Jesus said "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, . . . "
Now pay attention here. Even though "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed," is a simile, it has no bearing on the description of the nature of mustard seeds. Whether or not a simile is constructed around mustard seeds, in describing their size Jesus is simply relating what he believes to be a fact: They're "the smallest of all seeds,"
Now either Jesus was mistaken in making such a claim, OR god mistakenly attributed it to Jesus when he inspired Matthew and Mark to write it down.
Take your pick.
Neither is the Mustard Plant a tree, which birds can rest in.
In my opinion.
*sigh* Okay, take John 14:6 where we readWell I think you're adding to the scripture. You're making it say that it's the smallest seed in the whole world. It doesn't say that. Keep it context of who He is talking to and what He's talking about. So the parable was for Jews who were used to planting gardens or knew at least something about it. It's basically gardener jargon and you're making it out to be literal.
In another post there was mention of Matthew 13:31-32 where Jesus speaks to the multitudes saying,
"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches."
which reminded me of this little fact.
CONCLUSION: The mustard seed is not "the smallest of all seeds."SEEDScomparative sizes
(FYI, Wolffia is a genus of 9 to 11 species which include the smallest flowering plants on Earth.
Commonly called watermeal or duckweed, these aquatic plants resemble specks of cornmeal
floating on the water.)
As for an explanation, I'm talking about a rational explanation here, not some rubbish that Jesus was only talking about seeds from plants in the area, or that because he was speaking in a proverbial/parable style he wasn't making a statement of fact.
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"Prove" it! Show us your evidence, not your personal conjecture. If you can't,And seeing how that Jesus was referring to Farmers who sow seeds in their fields, it plainly shows what seeds Jesus was referring to.
"Prove" it! Show us your evidence, not your personal conjecture.
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In another post there was mention of Matthew 13:31-32 where Jesus speaks to the multitudes saying,
"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches."
which reminded me of this little fact.
SEEDScomparative sizes
(FYI, Wolffia is a genus of 9 to 11 species which include the smallest flowering plants on Earth.
Commonly called watermeal or duckweed, these aquatic plants resemble specks of cornmeal
floating on the water.)
CONCLUSION: The mustard seed is not "the smallest of all seeds."
As for an explanation, I'm talking about a rational explanation here, not some rubbish that Jesus was only talking about seeds from plants in the area, or that because he was speaking in a proverbial/parable style he wasn't making a statement of fact.
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What's irrelevant? My explanation of faith of your acceptance of it? Faith is a belief of things unseen. Unknown. But a path leads to their knowing. Just like the car. Is everything to you based on facts? Nothing more than what you see and understand? Does Proxima Centauri exist? Have you seen it? Touched it? Smelled it? Someone told you it existed and you follow them. You have no facts. Just speculation. How about aliens? Sasquatch?
Just because you have no facts on spirituality doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Sometimes unexplained occurrences point to spiritual existence. You just see it as luck, or coincidence. You just cannot explain what your don't know, calling it a different name, that still are not "fact"ual.
Perception.
Oops, there goes that Greek analytical thinking again. I think you may have missed the point, the issues isn't about the literal translation of the size of the seed. Take another look at the story, what is he talking about in the story.
Its a literary use. It's a small seed, among the smaller seeds. The main point is it starts small and ends bigIn another post there was mention of Matthew 13:31-32 where Jesus speaks to the multitudes saying,
"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches."
which reminded me of this little fact.
CONCLUSION: The mustard seed is not "the smallest of all seeds."SEEDScomparative sizes
(FYI, Wolffia is a genus of 9 to 11 species which include the smallest flowering plants on Earth.
Commonly called watermeal or duckweed, these aquatic plants resemble specks of cornmeal
floating on the water.)
As for an explanation, I'm talking about a rational explanation here, not some rubbish that Jesus was only talking about seeds from plants in the area, or that because he was speaking in a proverbial/parable style he wasn't making a statement of fact.
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maybe He was talking to people who might not know .....anywayIn another post there was mention of Matthew 13:31-32 where Jesus speaks to the multitudes saying,
"The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches."
which reminded me of this little fact.
CONCLUSION: The mustard seed is not "the smallest of all seeds."SEEDScomparative sizes
(FYI, Wolffia is a genus of 9 to 11 species which include the smallest flowering plants on Earth.
Commonly called watermeal or duckweed, these aquatic plants resemble specks of cornmeal
floating on the water.)
As for an explanation, I'm talking about a rational explanation here, not some rubbish that Jesus was only talking about seeds from plants in the area, or that because he was speaking in a proverbial/parable style he wasn't making a statement of fact.
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yeah....like that incident when He was taken from the temple by some angry congregation....Yes, he was wrong. I have never seen birds resting on the branches of faith before, have you? What does a faith tree look like anyway? You would think with all those wood branches sticking out of people's heads, someone would have noticed by now! This "statement of fact" was clearly a technical error worth noting! It calls into doubt everything he taught, such as the commandments to love.
Jesus' mistake actually, was that he didn't anticipate literalists in the 21st century with no imagination. He should have be precise in scientific language if he had any hope to speak to modern atheists and convince them of magical thinking, which is the foundation of spiritual awakening attested to be the great sages and masters of all ages. Magical scientific knowledge is foundational to spiritual authority in all the great traditions. So some appear to believe anyway.
How do you know that the people for whom it was written knew about the smaller seeds that you know about?Certainly. I'm serious. Presuming the scriptures are divinely inspired, god used those words and terms that best gets his message across. If some other word or term would have better done the job he would have used it. AND assuming that god is all-knowing there is no reason to suspect he mistakenly used the wrong words or terms. Therefore, when Jesus says "Though it is the smallest of all seeds,. . . . " That's what he means: Of all the seeds in the world that of the mustard plant is the smallest. HOWEVER! we know this isn't true. Jesus made a mistake in saying so. So my question is, Anyone care to explain this mistake? Could it be that god was wrong in putting these words in Jesus' mouth as he inspired the writers of the Matthew and Mark to write this verse? Or did Jesus actually utter these erroneous words?
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The point of the story is not my point. Please see post #1Its a literary use. It's a small seed, among the smaller seeds. The main point is it starts small and ends big