If you understood science, you wouldn't be harping on the word "proof". Science is about evidence. There is overwhelming evidence, from every relevant branch of science, supporting evolution.
There is overwhelming 'suggestion'......the 'evidence' is all in the interpretation. Please be honest. Saying there is overwhelming evidence and providing it are two completely different things. Have you not noticed that whenever evolutionists provide a link and I show then what their link actually says, they never respond except to excuse the the uncertainty of the language.
Fundamentalists just can't admit it because that would go against their belief in Genesis.
Actually nothing in the evidence itself contradicts Genesis at all. What contradicts Genesis is the interpretation that science gives for its evidence. Its all about the "might haves" and the "could haves" and "this leads us to believe that...." You really believe that wishful thinking is a substitute for actual proof that what science says is actually true?
That is the language of belief based on suggestion....it permeates everything I have ever read on the subject. Most people read right over it as though it wasn't really a suggestion but a substantiated fact.....there is no such thing in regard to macro-evolution.
Deeje said:
We humans need to have purpose. It goes with having a concept of the future and planning for it. Animals do not have this capacity. A meaningless life with no purpose but selfish concerns benefits no one.
I have purpose in my life. I am not selfish. I have concerns for the benefit of others. Ask my wife, my children, my relatives, my friends. Ask anyone who knows me.
My point was that because evolution teaches that we are nothing more than animals, we can then be excused for behaving like them.
Our actions are not excusable because we can anticipate where a certain course will lead. That makes everything that humans do, that causes harm to other humans or the planet, inexcusable. Who are the ones who dictate to others about what is done or not done...? Who makes the laws? Is justice really carried out anywhere? And yet you trust these people to govern you? If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. God has the solution, but most people think its a fairy tale. No one can force us to believe anything against our will.
Why do you believe that atheists have no purpose in life? Why do you believe that the lives of atheists are meaningless? Why do you believe that atheists are selfish?
It is my personal experience, after many years on these forums, that those who treat "believers" with the most contempt are usually atheists. They answer to no one but themselves.
How can life be meaningful if you can lose it tomorrow with no way to get it back? Life might be meaningful to an extent for some, but death is the end of it completely. Humans are not designed for death. Premature death always feels wrong. Why do we grieve?
Is it because you were taught from your early childhood that atheists were evil? That was part of you religious indoctrination, wasn't it? It still is part of your religious indoctrination isn't it? Is that part of what you are indoctrinating others into believing?
Well actually, all I have to do is look at the impact that godless science has made on this planet in the last 100 years or so. Most scientists who push evolution are atheists. It isn't about what I was taught, as much as what I observe with my own eyes and ears.
People who identify as "Christians" must of necessity follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and imitate his example as much as humanly possible. None of us are perfect at it, but real Christians will have the courage of their convictions. They will not cower when the big boys get heavy on the ridicule and derision in an effort to force weak ones to acquiesce or to compromise.
Its easy to call yourself whatever you like, but its what you do that determines the truthfulness of the designation.
I've been here a long time and no one to date has been able to provide evidence to scientifically back up what they suggest. I see the theory of evolution as an elaborate castle built on matchsticks. The emperors are all strutting about thinking that their regalia is splendid, but in truth, they are really naked.
But your life on earth - afterwards - is eternal isn't it? Think about it, really think about it. In just ten million years you would be so bored that you would pray for death. What would there be to look forward to? What could you do that you hadn't already done thousands of times. How often could you have the same conversations with the same people - over and over and over.
Wow! You don't know much about what God is offering then, do you? It is certainly not an eternity of this life.....this is a poor counterfeit, filled with heartache and trouble....the real one will be nothing like this. You need to take your concepts to a much higher level.
Atheists look forward to many enjoyable tomorrows. If a next tomorrow doesn't come, it doesn't come. Acceptance of death is acceptance of reality. Some people don't want to, cannot, accept reality, so they delude themselves into hoping/believing there is something beyond death.
Reality is what we all have to face sooner or later. We can't really avoid the end of life as long as this system lasts.....but beyond this life is something you obviously cannot even contemplate. You will never miss what you never have though, I guess. If you expect life to end at death, then you will not be disappointed, will you?
It's not a tragedy if the person enjoyed the many years of learning and living a good life while doing it.
Its a tragedy when a baby dies...or when children lose their mother or father prematurely. Seeing families racked by grief, what comfort can atheists offer them? Platitudes? There is no comfort in knowing that all that is left of that person is in the memory of others, who will eventually die as well. What is the point of life if this is all there is? We all just pass away into the forgotten past.
It is human nature to want to go on living...we are unique in this. Animals do not contemplate their own death...but humans do, and it scares the hell out of them. I have no belief in life continuing in a spiritual form after death, but I do believe in the Bible's promise of a resurrection. I believe that it will be back to a better life here on earth as God intended in the beginning. We are involved in the outworking of a grand purpose that most humans do not even care to find out about. There are reasons for everything, but it is their choice not to know....my role is only to give them the knowledge of what God has done and is doing. He doesn't force it on anyone. He doesn't force life on anyone.
Do you believe your god cares about them?
Yes I do, which is why he offers them a better life under his governance of this earth in the future. This is what Christians were taught to pray for....God's Kingdom to "come" and for God's will to be "done, on earth as it is in heaven". It will come, ready or not.
I don't sit in judgement of figments of peoples imaginations.
If you believe in evolution, then I think you do. You have judged that the fantasy created by godless men is good enough for you...so be it. You are entitled to your beliefs. Just understand that "beliefs" is what they are.
Occasionally I do sit in judgement of people who believe the figments of their imagination are real and try to impose their beliefs on others.
There is no imposition when one is offered an alternative. Everyone is free to choose. Shooting the messenger will not make the message go away.