Creation and Evolution Compatible...Questions

[AManCalledHorse]

I know science better than many, definitely better than creationists. It does not take very much knowledge to understand that the Noah's Ark story is a myth. Many Christians, if not most, know that too. It does not stop them from being Christians. But yes, I can debate better than most because I can support the claims that I make. When others make bogus claims that they cannot support it does irritate me a bit.

I used to be a Christian and still have some fondness for the religion. Unfortunately literalitsts want to transform the reon into a combination of beliefs in myths and quite often hate of certain groups. Ironically they are the first to claim that others are not "True Christians".

Wow! You have clearly established you don't like Christians and think they are not smart. However I didn't ask you what you think about Christians.

Lets start over. NOMB but what kind of work do you do and what degrees do you possess? You seem to think you know the bible better than others, know science better than others, can debate better than others, in general you think you are above most on every thing. Thanks in advance .

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can you list the prophecies in the bible that you believe have came true. In asking for the chapter and verse and what happened after that that makes you believe that prophecy came true. Thanks in advance.

I really can't think of any. All i know of are prophecies that have failed outright or are excessively vague and fail for that reason. For example if a prophecy can be interpreted to apply to two different events that is a failed prophecy on the order of the work of Nostradamus.

And if one defends some prophecies , such as the Tyre prophecy one in effect demotes all prophecies to obscurity.

Do you know of any prophecies that have one clear outcome? If you have to play math games that pretty much guarantees that it will be a failed prophecy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wow! You have clearly established you don't like Christians and think they are not smart. However I didn't ask you what you think about Christians.

How so? I don't like dishonest Christians. And where have I established that Christians are not smart? You appear to be jumping to conclusions.

Lets start over. NOMB but what kind of work do you do and what degrees do you possess? You seem to think you know the bible better than others, know science better than others, can debate better than others, in general you think you are above most on every thing. Thanks in advance .

Let's clear up some of your misunderstandings first.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

I agree, that's the way it is with many.

But, to me (and Deeje), religion should be about pleasing God and gaining His approval, not necessarily using it to please ourselves.
-- James 1:27

Why does god require you to please him? If you live your life to please god shouldn't your life be pain free, hurt free, all your prayers answered?
If a loved one of yours passes in a accident shouldn't god have stopped that since you live to please him?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why does god require you to please him? If you live your life to please god shouldn't your life be pain free, hurt free, all your prayers answered?
If a loved one of yours passes in a accident shouldn't god have stopped that since you live to please him?

Please, try not to ask improper questions. Improper questions have assumptions on the order of "Have you quit beating your wife yet". Try against without a rude assumption if you want an answer.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

How so? I don't like dishonest Christians. And where have I established that Christians are not smart? You appear to be jumping to conclusions.



Let's clear up some of your misunderstandings first.

There is no misunderstanding from me. What I asked you had nothing to do with creationists or Christians. That's the level you took it to in trying to use them to elevate yourself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no misunderstanding from me. What I asked you had nothing to do with creationists or Christians. That's the level you took it to in trying to use them to elevate yourself.

Then where did you get the false claims from?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You simply keep ignoring the evidence, ignoring the logic, and ignoring my argument. Meanwhile believers in all things "science" and all things "evolution" are merely citing that which they believe agrees with them but ignores the fact that there is no evidence of gradual change in species.

The difference is I can tell you what every single one of those gods really represent and do it in the words of the people who wrote them. But you ignore it. Rather than see they called "nehebkau" the hydraulic cycle in plain English you will continue to believes in Nehebkau The Go Between God because this is what Egyptologists believe. I can prove that the writers of the Pyramid Texts didn't even have a word for "belief" and prove that Egyptology used illogical methodology to come to their conmclusion but this doesn't matter to you because you already have all the answers. You can just google them up and see what the Pyramid Texts really mean and how Egyptologists are punching through the gobbledty gook to make sense of the writing. Any Egyptologist wil tell you that Egyptology is a science even though there exists no direct evidence the great pyramids were tombs, no evidence they were built with ramps, no evidence that there was no change in the language and the only thing suggesting they were superstitious is bad methodology.

But you don't care about logic, evidence, and proof and care only about what google says.
If you really want to discuss this we'll have to take it to another thread because it will quickly drift off topic. People don't like to discuss it because it falls far outside their comfort zone. People relish in being at the crown of creation and don't want to share their position with the stinky footed bumpkins they believe built the pyramids and invented agriculture by means of the theory of change in species. It's bad enough they were stinky footed without also being religious farmers.

I have evidence and "proof" but you believe that can't hold a candle to google or consensus.

This made me think of a Wikipedia article. We keep hearing about how "solid" theories are, and the evidence backing them.

Well, this doesn't sound so 'solid'; in fact, "The theory is contrasted with punctuated equilibrium.":

Phyletic gradualism - Wikipedia

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Please, try not to ask improper questions. Improper questions have assumptions on the order of "Have you quit beating your wife yet". Try against without a rude assumption if you want an answer.

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" is an improper question. First you must show he beats his wife. Until then all you do is assume.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Then where did you get the false claims from?

Gee I don't know. What I asked you had nothing to do with creationists or Christians. That's the level you took it to in trying to use them to elevate yourself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" is an improper question. First you must show he beats his wife. Until then all you do is assume.

And you had improper assumptions in your question.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Please, try not to ask improper questions. Improper questions have assumptions on the order of "Have you quit beating your wife yet". Try against without a rude assumption if you want an answer.

Point out which question in my post you feel is improper and tell me why it is improper. Thanks in advance.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Gee I don't know. What I asked you had nothing to do with creationists or Christians. That's the level you took it to in trying to use them to elevate yourself.

You implied it. at least it looked that way when you made this false claim:

"Wow! You have clearly established you don't like Christians and think they are not smart. However I didn't ask you what you think about Christians."

Ask proper and honest questions if you want answers. If you ask "Have you quit beating our wife yet?" type questions I will not answer them.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Why does god require you to please him? If you live your life to please god shouldn't your life be pain free, hurt free, all your prayers answered?
If a loved one of yours passes in a accident shouldn't god have stopped that since you live to please him?

Not in this day. Why do you think Jesus taught to pray for 'God's Kingdom to come, and His will be done on Earth'? It's not happening now.

Genesis 3 (detailing the issues that were raised) tells us why.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Point out which question in my post you feel is improper and tell me why it is improper. Thanks in advance.

I am not doing your homework for you. Asking questions with assumptions built into them are improper questions.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

You implied it. at least it looked that way when you made this false claim:

"Wow! You have clearly established you don't like Christians and think they are not smart. However I didn't ask you what you think about Christians."

Ask proper and honest questions if you want answers. If you ask "Have you quit beating our wife yet?" type questions I will not answer them.

You completely did not address my post. You brought up creationists and Christians as if trying to use them to boost yourself. My post had nothing to do with creationists or Christians.

If I asked you if you liked dogs why would you reply about cats and cows?

 

[AManCalledHorse]

I am not doing your homework for you. Asking questions with assumptions built into them are improper questions.

You made the claim and you need to support it. Don't be a troll that makes claims then runs when asked to support your claims .

 

[Subduction Zone]

You completely did not address my post. You brought up creationists and Christians as if trying to use them to boost yourself. My post had nothing to do with creationists or Christians.

If I asked you if you liked dogs why would you reply about cats and cows?

No, I did not. You made a false claim about me and Christians in general. I explained which Christians, a minority of them, that I have a problem with. There was nothing there to "boost" myself.

Now do you care to try again? Since you seem to be having trouble let me be clear. One question per post. No false assumptions built into the questions. If you put a false assumption into a question I will correct that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You made the claim and you need to support it. Don't be a troll that makes claims then runs when asked to support your claims .

Nope, I have told you what you need to do to get answers. I am not going back and doing your homework for you. I will support my claims, but when you screwed up I will not backtrack.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Not in this day. Why do you think Jesus taught to pray for 'God's Kingdom to come, and His will be done on Earth'? It's not happening now.

Genesis 3 (detailing the issues that were raised) tells us why.

Not in this day what?