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What a great post, and thank you for sharing this. But, how about passages like this? What to make of these:Hell as a place of burning and torment, has no legitimate foundation in the Bible.
The Bible itself clearly states, “the dead are aware of nothing / conscious of nothing / know nothing at all.” — Ecclesiastes 9:5; the dead go “back to the ground.....(their) thoughts perish.” — Psalms 146:3-4; compare Genesis 3:19.
The Bible further states that everyone (reading Ecclesiastes 9:10), goes to hell when they die.....
“Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.” It applies to all. (So don’t read it! LOL!!)
Please note the different renderings on the Biblehub website:
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom..
Notice, Hell is simply rendered the grave in most versions.
Peter said that even Jesus, at his death, went to “hell”, ie., the grave, for 3 days before his resurrection. (Jesus was in Hell, He just wasn’t “left” there.) — Acts of the Apostles 2:30-31; compare the prophecy at Psalms 16:10).
Christendom has been scaring people for centuries with this nonsense, trying to control the masses with fear!
Any future life prospects only come in the Resurrection (John 5:28-29), which happens “in the Last Day.” — John 6:44
lmao!! That's hilarious. He's a convincing troll, if so.I wonder if the Pope is just trolling his audience at this point. I am then torn as to whether or not to support said trolling.
What a great post, and thank you for sharing this. But, how about passages like this? What to make of these:
Revelation 20:14 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Revelation 20:10 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 19:20 20But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Are they merely metaphors for something else?
What a great post, and thank you for sharing this. But, how about passages like this? What to make of these:
Revelation 20:14 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Revelation 20:10 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 19:20 20But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Are they merely metaphors for something else?
I do not know much about whether the interview truly took place, and I do not know how much independence the popes exercise these days.I have a take on this that I haven't seen yet. It seems to me the Pope might be testing the waters here. That is, it could be that he intentionally ran out the idea of no hell a few days ago in such a way that it could be retracted yesterday. Doing so would allow him to gauge support and opposition to the idea. And if he wants to eventually establish the idea of no hell as Catholic doctrine, then he now has a much better notion of exactly who he needs to persuade on the issue and who supports him.
What a great post, and thank you for sharing this. But, how about passages like this? What to make of these:
Revelation 20:14 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Revelation 20:10 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 19:20 20But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Are they merely metaphors for something else?
He really cannot do that as a church council would have to be called whereas there would be input from the bishops, and that even would include if he were to speak ex cathedra.And if he wants to eventually establish the idea of no hell as Catholic doctrine, then he now has a much better notion of exactly who he needs to persuade on the issue and who supports him.
He probably didn't say that as it would go against Catholic teaching so I wish people would stop posting it everywhere.
It never took place just like hell doesn't exist. Oh the irony!It turns out the interview never took place
Il Vaticano: Eugenio Scalfari si è inventato l'intervista con il Papa
Btw....Bergoglio's Italian is not that good (using an euphemism), so I doubt he can express theological concepts without some sheets prepared in advance.
Why the U.S. Catholic Church Has Lost More Members than Any Other Major Denomination
This is a really insightful article as to why the RCC is on the decline. I think that people have woken up to what the RCC is REALLY about, and it's not about the teachings of Jesus, it's not about compassion, it's about controlling the masses with rules, and usurping the teachings of the Bible, and pretending that without the Papacy, no average believer could ever begin to interpret the Bible correctly. This pope is trying to save the falling numbers, but by trying to reinvent a new Catholicism. I'd have more respect for him if he stepped down and denounced the RCC, instead of trying to change it into a new faith. If you change it, it's not Catholicism, anymore. lol
But the problem is when the centralized church teaches false things. Which the RCC has done for centuries. Thus, it's losing members not for the reasons many think. There are many believers who seek Truth, and not the manmade version that the RCC teaches. Coupled with how badly they handled the sex molestation cases with their priests, they look like a Church that wants to control people instead of love them.I had read a piece once concerning Catholicism. From that, the piece went into a fundamental and logical explanation of how a centralization became necessary from all of the churches started from the disciples of Jesus which eventually needed an established oversight, thus creating the 'universal' church for that purpose. Where the idea came from that decided to build smaller versions of the universal mother church, I'm unaware of. Interesting though!