Reasoning On Sin?

[blü 2]

1) What in your opinion is Sin?

An act (or, sometimes, and rather absurdly, a thought) done by a human that a relevant human says has offended a relevant god.

2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?

Presumably an act (or, equally absurdly, a thought) that a relevant human says has pleased a relevant god.

3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

Delete 'sin' and replace with 'acts displeasing to those in authority'.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Omniscient doesn't necessarily required to know everything.

the definition of omniscient

omniscient
[om-nish-uh nt]
adjective
1.
having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.

Definition of OMNISCIENT

Definition of omniscient
1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight

2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge

• the omniscient God

If God is omniscient, he knows everything and thus we have no free will because he knows how we will behave and act. If we have free will then god is not omniscient because he doesn't know how we are going to behave and act.

 

[dianaiad]

Free will has not been proven to exist.

It has not been proven not to exist, either, so we may as well live our lives as if it does. Besides, consider trying to untangle the logical knot that trying to prove that free will either does, or does not, exist...either way!

So, when will god start accepting blame for making imperfection and imperfect beings? When someone makes an imperfect product, we hold them responsible for making a poor-quality product. Why does god so often get a free pass?

So...if free will DOES exist, then how is God responsible for OUR choices? Mind you, if it doesn't, then you have a point, but....see my first sentence.

 

[dianaiad]

1) What in your opinion is Sin?

Sin is when one acts contrary to those standards and beliefs one believes to be 'true.' "Sin" is subjective; what is sinful for one is not for another. For instance, for ME it would be a sin to drink a cup of coffee or have wine with dinner because I promised not to do so. It probably isn't a sin for you to do either. However, if either one of us went out and stole something, it would be sinful. At least I hope you would see doing that as wrong, and therefore sinful.

2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?

Living up to one's own stated standards of ethics and moral behavior.

3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

I think 'sin' works just fine. 'Sin' is personal and attached to one's own beliefs, and is apart from 'Law." That is, some things that are legal are sinful, and some things that are not sinful...happen to be illegal. "Civil Disobedience" comes to mind, when the demonstrator honestly believes s/he is 'doing the right thing."

 

[Etritonakin]

If I may ask, how do you know for sure it's the Ten commandments that's being spoken of in the book of
1st John 3:4--Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law"

There is a law being spoken of, But it's not the Ten commandments that's being spoken of in 1st John 3:4.

If you back up to Verse's 2 & 3, and then read down to Verse 4, Then you will find what law John is speaking about.

It speaks of the ten -and every other command which may be from God.

I John 2:3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

7 Brethren,[a] I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning.[b] 8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

He is not saying the old commandments should not be done -but explaining how they can be done better in spirit and truth -not just in letter.

The first commandments are how to begin to love God -the latter how to begin to love neighbor.


4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother[c] abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him

16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. 19 And by this we know[d] that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[e] commandment.

24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.


Matt 19:16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Just because he did not mention the others above does not mean they are not part of the law.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So...if free will DOES exist, then how is God responsible for OUR choices? Mind you, if it doesn't, then you have a point, but....see my first sentence.

God should have had developed a better design.

 

[dianaiad]

God should have had developed a better design.

uhmn....so He should have designed us WITHOUT the freedom to make our own choices?

Here's the problem with 'free will' and creating entities who have it: some of them will choose badly. If they are created so that they cannot 'choose badly,' then...er...that's not free will, is it?

In my own belief system, it's not about God 'creating' us anyway. We are, quite literally, His children. His kids. We have to 'learn the hard way' sometimes, but the point is, we are the ones who have to learn, so that when we make good choices, we do it because WE know that it's the right thing to do, not because we are pre-programmed.

We make good choices when making bad ones is a real possibility. THAT'S when we show that we have actually learned something important, and improved our own characters.

 

[Cary Cook]

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1) What in your opinion is Sin?


2) What in your opinion would be the opposite of Sin?


3) Is there another term that one could plug into scripture replacing the term 'sin', as an equal term of usage?

Much is made of the idea that sin originally meant missing the mark. This implies that one was trying to hit a mark in the first place. And if so, the appropriate corrective response would be informative rather than punitive.

But to answer your questions, one has to forget all that and pretend there is a concept called sin that makes sense. So...

1) Sin is an offense against a deity.

2) The opposite would be sycophancy if the diety is an ***hole.
2a) The opposite would be morality if the diety is righteous.

3) Probably not one word could replace them all. At least 6 different Hebrew words and 3 Greek words are translated sin. A term general enough to cover most of them would be offense.

 

[tayla]

What in your opinion is Sin?

There is no such thing. Sin assumes your soul is tainted by the powers of darkness and that you are incapable of escaping from its grip. I think this view is misguided. There are better explanations for human imperfections and misdeeds.

 

[tayla]

Sin means transgression. Its also used in translating in Buddhist Dharma; its not specific to one religion based on translation.

I think the word "sin" means different things in different faith traditions. Usually it is integrated into the belief system as a whole, and these differ significantly.

 

[tayla]

1) What in your opinion is Sin?

An act considered to be a transgression against divine law.

Yes, I think you've hit on the essential ingredient; comparing human actions with divine law.

 

[tayla]

Free will has not been proven to exist.

You can't prove free will because it exists in the spiritual realm, and nothing there can be proven. Only things in the physical universe can be proven via the scientific method.

 

[tayla]

You just proved by evidence, in calling sin
Nonsense and that sin does not exist.
That you have no idea or clue what sin is.

ouch... that hurts

 

[tayla]

What if God chooses not to know what will happen, before it happens.

Wow, sounds like a tricky theological system. Sounds like someone trying to dig out of a hole.

 

[tayla]

"Can a omnipotent God create a boulder that he cannot lift?"

In my opinion, this kind of question about God is pointless. It's like the sound of one hand clapping. God is not confined by our philosophical arguments.

 

[tayla]

I believe God does know everything and is omniscient, yet this does not prevent or infringe on human free will. The scriptures present both truths; God's sovereign omniscience and human freewill. The ability of God to see and know the choices humans make... does not mean He in the One causing or controlling those choices.

The idea of omniscience makes no sense when applied to God; knowing is something humans do. Any philosophical or theological arguments about God using omniscience or omnipresence or omnipotence are doomed to generate wrong thinking. Can we just let God be God and stop trying to make it/her/him a mere human?

 

[tayla]

Maybe that's because you listen to much what a Pastor, Preacher or people will say, instead of going and see what God has to say in his word.

That's what happens when people start quoting what Pastor's, Preachers and people will say, instead of checking it out to see, does God really say this in his Word ?

Usually they are reading the Bible and interpreting it according to the standard Christian interpretations. Are individual Christians supposed to come to their own conclusions? That is a bad practice; it resulted in my abandoning Christianity as being historically unreliable and, therefore, false.

 

[tayla]

If God is beyond/outside of time then past and future are simultaneously present.

God is within the universe and the spiritual ream, and participates in the constraints of time and space along with everyone and everything else. It/she/he is unfolding from moment to moment as is everything else.

 

[tayla]

the analogy is actually "being the director, and telling the actors to improvise with a limited script." In short, yeah, God's running... (wait for it) a reality show.

I think this is a very insightful analogy. I wish I had thought of it.

Notice it includes God and his created creatures all operating within time; the director does not sit high above in a timeless void looking simultaneously at everything that ever happened and ever will happen.

 

[tayla]

In my own belief system, it's not about God 'creating' us anyway. We are, quite literally, His children.

Someone created this cozy family you refer to. Someone created this "God" you refer to.