Why Agree with God?

[MonkeyFire]

In Judaism at least, God can be angry, wrathful, and jealous. Also in Juadaism heaven is a palace for the angels not for humans

Imo God omnipotent and moral so he only enjoys happiness. God would be sadistic if he fought..

 

[Nakosis]

Again, it sounds like you are saying there is a precondition for God to uphold his end of the bargain; that we uphold our end, too. This is not true. Think of the Parable of the Lost Son – God is always there. But if you mean that we must go to God in order to find God, I agree with that.

It sounds like you are saying there is no grace. But maybe I am totally misunderstanding you.

A Christian must put their faith in Jesus. Isn't this an obligation for salvation?

Grace, some see grace as meaning that faith is giving by God. That it is not up to the individual to choose to have faith or not. Is that also your view?

 

[Scott C.]

I believe God as described by Judaism exist, but I am baffled by why so many people believe that becuase a god or goddess exists that we should agree with their rules and attitudes.

Why is this so prevelant?

Thanks for your time and please play nice.

I think it's self evident why it's prevelant for people to accept that an all knowing, all loving, and all powerful God knows best.

 

[robocop (actually)]

In Judaism at least, God can be angry, wrathful, and jealous. Also in Juadaism heaven is a palace for the angels not for humans.



I wouldn't worship a dictator if he pointed a gun to my head and demands it......

"He" can't help that he's a dictator. "He's" nice. Not a bad deal if you ask me.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But why would they think that God's opinion of good and evil is any more objective than any other beings'?

Because their god is a construct that anthropomorphizes their ideas of perfection, goodness and virtue. God knows best because that’s God’s appointed purpose.

 

[dianaiad]

In Judaism at least, many of the rules are outdated and immoral by modern standards.

define 'modern standards."

As well....you are going to condemn the whole of theism by the 'rules' of a group that has a whole, perhaps, 15 million people in it?

Mind you, I don't have a problem with the ten commandments, personally. True, the first three are specific to theists, and one subset of theists at that, but the remaining seven would make the world MUCH better if everybody lived by them.

Come to think of it, I think most people would do better if they paid attention to #3, as well.

"Taking the Lord's name in vain" is actually, well...swearing falsely. It's not really about stubbing your toe, hopping around and saying Oh s***. It's about using God's name as a seal to a promise...and then breaking it, or....putting your hand on the bible in a court of law and swearing to tell the truth, and then committing perjury. That sort of thing.

It's about not lying, and being honorable more than anything else. How would that NOT be a good idea?

As well, though I'm not as familiar with modern Judaism as I, perhaps, should be, I don't think that they have 'rules' that are 'outdated and immoral.'

Especially when I sometimes think that 'today's standards' are so low that one would have to dig a tunnel to avoid exceeding them.

 

[Etritonakin]

What we see in the world today are separate governments -often in conflict -and continual subdivision. It may seem logical for everyone to do as they want and allow others to do the same, but it just doesn't work. It also does not work in regard to personal morality/ethics, because personal choices do not simply affect one person.

One perfect, capable, universal government is necessary -as is personal responsibility in obeying that government. Where there is personal responsibility, there is less need for government and micromanagement. We are all part of one whole -all part of the same reality -all of the same basic nature -so perfect government and personal responsibility would be based on the basic nature of our shared reality, and provide for the good of all.

Perfect government and personal responsibility would allow for freedom rather than be oppressive. We are not "free" to do that which harms others, ourselves, the overall situation, etc.

The TRUE God should be obeyed because man alone is not capable of such government -nor is man able to make us all personally responsible and perfect us. By our present experience, God is teaching us personal responsibility and the need for his capable government -by experiencing the opposite -by way of allowing us our own choices for the most part.

God's law is called the law of love. If we obey the basic law which allows all to be happy, we can be different -but not in conflict.
God is capable of making us perfect in obeying that law. Though much of the law is obvious, we often do not do it -are not able even when we know better. By our experience and other things, God will make us knowledgeable and able.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Um... because "He" can wipe us out or bless us and knows what is going on in our lives and how we can even get what we want.

So might makes right?

 

[Naama]

If I understand you correctly, you are asking: Why do people automatically condone their deity’s actions and accept their demands?

If so, it is because, simply, that is what they believe is proper to do.

I’m asking why people think it’s proper to do that dear XD

I am curious. Why Judaism? Why not Islam? They are the same make and model of automobile so to speak, only different colors, with different options.

Not really at all....


[QUOTE="A Spirit Runs Through It, post: 5546436, member: 62543"Like in Islam, are you not awaiting the coming of a redeemer who will pick up a weapon, galvanize some armies, slay some people, and establish justice?[/QUOTE]

No....there is no figure like that in Judaism that I am awareness of....and I don’t really like God’s plan.....

 

[Naama]

Simply put, if God is All-Knowing God knows more than any human. If God knows more than we know why would we ever question God's rules or attitudes? That would be foolish.

God is also All-Wise so God is wiser than any human.

Why would we even believe in a God if it did not know more and have more wisdom than humans? That would be foolish.

God is the All-Knowing Physician who has the cures for all the ills of humanity in every age.

“The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 213

It seems a lot of people don’t know that the Jewish scriptures don’t claim God is all knowing.

It seems to have been a Christian invention.

 

[Naama]

I guess because we believe that God is more intelligent.

Do you think that intelligent people are more moral?

 

[A Spirit Runs Through It]

A Christian must put their faith in Jesus. Isn't this an obligation for salvation?

Grace, some see grace as meaning that faith is giving by God. That it is not up to the individual to choose to have faith or not. Is that also your view?

A person OUGHT TO put their faith in Jesus. But I disagree that a person's faith is a requirement for their salvation. For example, one need not be Christian for me to spare them from my vindictiveness; they are human, and have rights and worth, regardless. We will be saved according to our character and not our convictions.

My view is that God plants the seed of faith, but we either nurture it or extinguish it. And no one is ever saved by a seed, only the fruits of its tree.

 

[Naama]

Isn't the question, what should we believe?

I’m sorry, I don’t follow.....

 

[Naama]

Because we worship books data information ideas especially others ideas? Which at some level is the definition off a consumer being entertained being informed. Ha!!! The last part cracked me.up.

....come again? XD

 

[Naama]

It depends what you think good means.

If it means nothing but warm fuzzies, then no -the God of the old and new testaments is not only that.

God states that he declared the end from the beginning -and that he will do all his pleasure.
He also states that he "purpose"s evil/that we experience adversity -but for our eventual good and perfection.
In order to completely eradicate evil from the future, we experience it now. When we no longer do evil, all harm from it will be repaired.

I will try to look up scriptures later, but God -though technically all-powerful -created others to give them power. God -though technically all-knowing -then created slight unpredictability by giving others decision and creativity.

God did not set out to create perfectly happy and content humans, but to create incorruptible gods -the children of God ("ye are gods") -who can then be trusted to govern the universe (the "heavens" which were formed "not in vain" but "to be inhabited").
Our present unpleasant experience is part of the process of creating us -and extreme pressures and forces are employed.

120 or so years of unpleasantness making possible an eternity without unpleasantness -that is good.

Where do the scriptures say that? Those aren’t in the Jewish scriptures at least.....

 

[Naama]

It's only logical, the creator of anything, probably knows best how to get the most out of it, wouldn't you think?

The best for who?

 

[Naama]

Imo God omnipotent and moral so he only enjoys happiness. God would be sadistic if he fought..

I think he is described as being angry, jealous, and wrathful in the Old Testament of your scared texts as well.....

 

[Naama]

I think it's self evident why it's prevelant for people to accept that an all knowing, all loving, and all powerful God knows best.

Why do you think he is those things? I know Christian scriptures say he is like that, but the Jewish ones seem to say he is at least not all-loving,

 

[Naama]

"He" can't help that he's a dictator. "He's" nice. Not a bad deal if you ask me.

He couldn’t just leave the world be and not call down plagues?

 

[Naama]

define 'modern standards."

As well....you are going to condemn the whole of theism by the 'rules' of a group that has a whole, perhaps, 15 million people in it?

Mind you, I don't have a problem with the ten commandments, personally. True, the first three are specific to theists, and one subset of theists at that, but the remaining seven would make the world MUCH better if everybody lived by them.

Come to think of it, I think most people would do better if they paid attention to #3, as well.

"Taking the Lord's name in vain" is actually, well...swearing falsely. It's not really about stubbing your toe, hopping around and saying Oh s***. It's about using God's name as a seal to a promise...and then breaking it, or....putting your hand on the bible in a court of law and swearing to tell the truth, and then committing perjury. That sort of thing.

It's about not lying, and being honorable more than anything else. How would that NOT be a good idea?

As well, though I'm not as familiar with modern Judaism as I, perhaps, should be, I don't think that they have 'rules' that are 'outdated and immoral.'

Especially when I sometimes think that 'today's standards' are so low that one would have to dig a tunnel to avoid exceeding them.

God has many more rules than 10.