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Creation vs evolution

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member

Soon after we started in business we realised computers then were not up to the tasks we required. We had a custom operating system written, scrapping all the fluff and tightening up graphics handling and file sharing. The screen prompt was...
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So where in the Bible does it say that being naked is evil ?
When you are born, your naked right, so how is naked evil ?

Why did Adam and Eve cover themselves AFTER they ate from the tree of knowledge? Explain your logic for why they covered themselves if it's not because nudity is evil? If nudity is fine, why do most religious folk find nudity and sex scandalous?
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Ahhhhhh...the puritans....and the witches they imagined !
A lot of women drowned from that practice !
 
First of all there is no where in Genesis that said anything about a snake. So where or how do you come by a snake. Eve said nothing about a snake, Eve said the Serpent, who do you suppose the Serpent is ?
Had you seek out the truth, you would haved found in the book of
Revelation 12:9 The Serpent being the Devil, and Satan himself.

Gen. 3:1 calls the serpent (snake) the most subtle BEAST OF THE FIELD, who was later cursed to crawl on it's belly and eat dust Gen 3:14. So is satan a beast of the field who eats dust or a fallen angel/spirit that possesses people? Which is it? Where in the bible does it ever say Satan is a fallen angel?
Pasted below is the definition of the word serpent from dictionary.com:
serpent

[sur-puh nt]

noun
1. a snake.
2. a wily, treacherous, or malicious person.
3. the Devil; Satan. Gen. 3:1–5.
4. a firework that burns with serpentine motion or flame.
5. an obsolete wooden wind instrument with a serpentine shape and a deep, coarse tone.
Compare ophicleide.
6. (initial capital letter) Astronomy. the constellation Serpens.
 
Let's say when you were little, didn't your parents ever tell you not to touch the fire or something that's hot that it will burn you. Seeing how you never experienced what a fire is or something that is hot, my guess, as any child would do, is try and touch it, to see what will actually happen and the child found out real quick it does burn.

So in like manner, God told Adam and Eve not to touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil, But then the Serpent ( Satan ) comes along convincing Eve that nothing will happen to go ahead and touch it and eat of it. And guess what ( Bam !! ) Eve just got burned and then Eve gives to Adam and now ( Bam !! ) Adam got burned as well.

So you agree with me that it doesn't make sense for a god to put something within reach of children that he didn't want them touching, especially since they don't know any better. They didn't even know they were naked until after eating from the tree of knowledge, they were like animals/children until then.

Further more the tree of knowledge of good and evil is not a literal tree as you suppose it is, the tree of knowledge of good and evil Represents the Serpent which is Satan being confined to the middle of the Garden of Eden. Satan did not have free exercise to go about in the garden of eden as he pleased.

Please post a citation of where you're getting this from.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
First of all there is no where in Genesis that said anything about a snake. So where or how do you come by a snake.
Eve said nothing about a snake, Eve said the Serpent, who do you suppose the Serpent is ?
Sure it does. It all depends on which Bible one reads.

In checking out 51 Bible versions of Genesis 3 I found that

38 use the word "serpent"
12 use the word "snake"
1 uses the term "shining one".​

So, while "serpent" is the most common word "snake" does show up a respectable 24% of the time.

In fact, consulting Strong's Concordance we find that the Hebrew word used is נָחָשׁ , which is defined as "serpent, snake."

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Maybe instead of you just Wondering about things in the Bible, maybe you should search out and find out about certain things in the Bible, before you go saying anything.

I have read the bible cover to cover twice. I've talked to ministers and pastors in detail about what is in the bible. I've done my own research into claims made by the bible. That is why I KNOW it is mythology. That is why I am no longer a Christian. To remain a Christian in this day and age requires a conscious decision and effort to remain ignorant about things that sane, rational people consider common knowledge. Others in this thread have PROVEN that the bible has made false claims/failed prophecies and it doesn't faze you because you aren't listening, are you? You've drunk deep of the cool aid and are now living in your own delusional fantasy detached from reality. No amount of rational arguments and evidence is going to sink in until you ever decide to come back down to earth.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Sure it does. It all depends on which Bible one reads.

In checking out 51 Bible versions of Genesis 3 I found that

38 use the word "serpent"
12 use the word "snake"
1 uses the term "shining one".​

So, while "serpent" is the most common word "snake" does show up a respectable 24% of the time.

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Also the definition of serpent.

Serpent : noun : a large snake.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The only reason you say, (the bible has demonstrably false information in it as well as many contradiction)
is because you don't understand anything about the bible to clearly to put anything in the Bible together to make any sense of it.

Therefore is no demonstrably false information nor is there any contradictions in the bible as you say there is.

So where in the Bible does it say that being naked is evil ?
When you are born, your naked right, so how is naked evil ?

First of all there is no where in Genesis that said anything about a snake. So where or how do you come by a snake.
Eve said nothing about a snake, Eve said the Serpent, who do you suppose the Serpent is ?
Had you seek out the truth, you would haved found in the book of
Revelation 12:9 The Serpent being the Devil, and Satan himself.

In your speaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, How many times do you suppose that Adam pass by the tree and didn't take of it, before Eve came ?

Have you any idea what the tree of knowledge of good and evil even who it Represents ?
Further more there is the tree of Life, Who do you suppose Represents the tree of Life?

You said ( Genesis has God putting the tree of knowledge of good and evil right in front of Adam and Eve when they don't know the difference between Good and evil)
As to how do you know this for sure.

Oh you will say, will there's nothing written that God told them, So that leaves you to say whatever you want.

Let's say when you were little, didn't your parents ever tell you not to touch the fire or something that's hot that it will burn you. Seeing how you never experienced what a fire is or something that is hot, my guess, as any child would do, is try and touch it, to see what will actually happen and the child found out real quick it does burn.

So in like manner, God told Adam and Eve not to touch the tree of knowledge of good and evil, But then the Serpent ( Satan ) comes along convincing Eve that nothing will happen to go ahead and touch it and eat of it. And guess what ( Bam !! ) Eve just got burned and then Eve gives to Adam and now ( Bam !! ) Adam got burned as well.

Further more the tree of knowledge of good and evil is not a literal tree as you suppose it is, the tree of knowledge of good and evil Represents the Serpent which is Satan being confined to the middle of the Garden of Eden. Satan did not have free exercise to go about in the garden of eden as he pleased.

Maybe you should search out who exactly the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of Life Represents before you make any accusations.

That's right the earth was already there, before the sun and the moon and stars and anything else was created on the earth.

All it says in Genesis 1:1--"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"

It doesn't say when, only in the beginning, When ever that was.
Therefore the earth was already there.
Which you are right about.

Maybe instead of you just Wondering about things in the Bible, maybe you should search out and find out about certain things in the Bible, before you go saying anything.

Have you ever read Job? If you believe that the "serpent" was Satan that book contradicts your beliefs.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Why did Adam and Eve cover themselves AFTER they ate from the tree of knowledge? Explain your logic for why they covered themselves if it's not because nudity is evil? If nudity is fine, why do most religious folk find nudity and sex scandalous?

Before Adam and Eve took of the tree of good and evil, they had no knowledge of their sexuality or anything being wrong in being naked.
It was Satan that deceived Eve into taking of the tree of good and evil and then Eve gave to Adam and then their eyes were open to their sexuality of them being naked. Then Adam and Eve put together fig leaves to cover themselves.

How long do you suppose Adam and Eve were in the garden walking around naked and not aware of their sexuality, before Satan deceived Eve into taking of the tree of good and evil ?

Why do most Religious folk find nudity and sex scandalous, because they will follow what their Pastor's, Preachers will say, instead of following what Christ Jesus has set down.
Therefore, there is no where in the Bible where God or Christ condemns sex or nudity.
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That was in reference to back then, but as for Babylon it's self, There is the literal Babylon and there is the spiritual Babylon.

But seeing that you have no idea between the difference what is Literal and what is Spiritual.
It all adds up. Why you can not see the difference between the two.
What is Literal and what is Spiritual.
There is no reason to think that. Once again by doing so you make all so called prophesy worthless.

Seriously, don't you see what a problem you are creating? You are taking away to make any unique claims of "fulfilled prophecy" by lowering your standards to this level. By your standards now all religions can claim to have fulfilled prophecy and it becomes a worthless criterion for judging whether a religion is true or not.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Before Adam and Eve took of the tree of good and evil, they had no knowledge of sexuality or anything being wrong in being naked.
It was Satan that deceived Eve into taking of the tree of good and evil and then Eve gave to Adam and then their eyes were open to their sexuality of them being naked. Then Adam and Eve put together fig leaves to cover themselves.

Why do most Religious folk find nudity and sex scandalous, because they will follow what their Pastor's, Preachers will say, instead of following what Christ Jesus has set down.
Therefore, there is no where in the Bible where God or Christ condemns sex or nudity.

Hold on, I thought that it was the "serpent". Once again the book of Job disagrees with your interpretation.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Before Adam and Eve took of the tree of good and evil, they had no knowledge of sexuality or anything being wrong in being naked.
Because nothing was wrong with being naked. That's a shame that god saddled them with. Too bad he couldn't have picked something less consequential, like eating boogers.

Why do most Religious folk find nudity and sex scandalous, because they will follow what their Pastor's, Preachers will say, instead of following what Christ Jesus has set down.
But it was god who infused nudity with shame.

Gen. 3:7
At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their nakedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves.
After all, god could do anything he wanted, but for some odd reason he chose the shame of nudity. Go figure.

Therefore, there is no where in the Bible where God or Christ condemns sex or nudity.
Depends on the sex; homosexual sex and adultery, yes indeed---I'm sure you know the verses by heart. And why would he imbue nudity with a sense of shame if he felt it was okey dokey? But to prove he did condemn nudity all one has to do is consult Leviticus.

Leviticus 18:6-23 (ESV)
“None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife; it is your father's nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether brought up in the family or in another home. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son's daughter or of your daughter's daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness. ...
Seems like quite a bit of condemnation of nudity going on right there.

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Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
I understand now...thanks for clarifying. Yes, I would agree with that. It seems to me (a Christian...though I may need to take time and qualify what I mean by this...) that Genesis 1-2 are more akin to poetry. I don’t think it reads like someone trying to say “this is how the world was created”. It isn’t trying to give us the mechanism that God used to create it.

Credit where it is due though, even the concept of a beginning to the universe was dismissed as 'religious pseudoscience' by many atheists and called 'big bang' in mockery until not so very long ago.

Genesis also correctly depicts an Earth of one great ocean, then one ocean and one land mass, that life originated in the ocean and culminated with mankind.. lucky guesses?

I think I agree though- that it's not meant to be a technical manual, the details are for us to discover, what better way to appreciate any creation?
 

jmt09

Member
Then according to Faihtofchristain you are not a "True Christian". I disagree strongly on that claim of his. He seems to think that one has to take Genesis literally to be a Christian, I know that is not the case.

Hopefully FoC does. But, I'd understand if they didn't think of me that way. To defend that view of the Bible is basically...well...indefensible. But, furthermore, I don't see any reason to take the Bible (especially Genesis 1-2) to be saying anything literal. It's written as poetry.
 
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