Jehovah's Witness cartoon suggests to Children that magic-themed toys make Jehovah 'sad'

[Buddha Dharma]

Finding fault has become an art form these days.

I don't see how that was 'finding fault'.

 

[Deeje]

Including me. I'm not an idiot, Hockey, I know what the JW's say. It is a threat to my existence, morality, and spiritual being, and a poorly veiled one at that.

Oh dear! Threats to your existence, morality and spiritual being? When did I ever make threats to you personally at all. God doesn't make threats.....he tells us what he is going to do in advance and allows us opportunity to benefit from his activities. He also tells us what will become of those who are not interested in his plans for the future of planet earth and its inhabitants. This is his earth and these plans will go ahead with us or without us, according to the Bible. We can choose to be part of them...or not. We can choose to ignore him...or not.

If you feel threatened, then you are threatened by your own choices. If you are confident in your gods, then nothing and no one should be able to make you fear for the future.

Please don't blame others because they disagree with you and the worship of your gods. If you have made your choices then be confident about them. If you fear my God, then your gods are not inspiring much confidence in them or their ability to affect your life for the better.

Jesus appealed to people and offered something that would benefit them. The end of all wickedness is what God is going to bring about....and we look forward to it. Is that wrong?

 

[kjw47]

Listen. You call your group a spiritual paradise. So, when you all get together inside or outside you believe the air between you guys is Holy Spirit. Am I wrong?

I agree with you that the paradise of God is inside a person by the presence of Jesus Christ. That is NOT what the governing body teaches.

In a sense being with those who love God and his son, and gathering together to incite to love and fine works, learning Gods truth is a spiritual paradise. And yes of course satan trys to stop that at every step.

 

[kjw47]

You are right! LOL But, they act as a group. IF they are teaching error they each one together must repent. Correct?

Obviously when a truth is discovered and then corrected--all correct it-- the fakes run and point fingers.

 

[kjw47]

This is where you are inconsistent. You say that Jehovah used the Roman church to take right care of the Bible but Jehovah let them keep it away from everyone else. Does that make sense to you?

Jehovah's Witnesses set Jehovah in a bad light. Like how?

Your god can do something extraordinary as in letting no misconceptions creep in, but your god can't make then share the truth with others. @kjw47 will say it wasn't time. Maybe you believe that too. It wasn't time for God to help people? What kind of lesson is that??????????????

No twisting what is said makes it look bad. Jehovah didn't stop the reading of his word--the religion that came out of Rome did-- they knew they taught council lies--they couldn't let others see truth--When it finally occurred--They ran from the religion that came out of Rome--but could not fix it all--the translations are filled with errors.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

you and yours will be magically floated to Heaven

No, we don't teach that. I hope to live here on the Earth. Matthew 5:5

while the rest of us face horrible, fiery destruction and annihilation

During Armageddon, this System will be destroyed along with those "loving violence". Jehovah will not allow the innocent to suffer annihilation.

I'm sorry you think we teach otherwise.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Where does the Bible teach that?

Romans 6:7.... if one is freed, then one no longer has to pay. Romans 6:23... the wages of sin is death, not torment.

 

[savagewind]

@Deeje 1 Corinthians 5:13
4190 [e] ponēron πονηρὸν evil [man] Adj-AMS
1537 [e] ex ἐξ out from Prep
4771 [e] hymōn ὑμῶν yourselves PPro-G2P
846 [e] autōn αὐτῶν. that. PPro-GM3P

I think that you know what [ ] means.

Compare Romans 7:22 'inside'

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Romans 6:7.... if one is freed, then one no longer has to pay. Romans 6:23... the wages of sin is death, not torment.

You're going to pick that one verse out of the whole chapter and claim we can pay for our own sins with our own death?

How bout reading verses 1-6!

 

[savagewind]

Jehovah's Witnesses take Romans 6:7 out-of-context like they also take 1 Corinthians 15:33 out-of-context.

 

[Oeste]

I am also well aware of the belief that come Armageddon, you and yours will be magically floated to Heaven while the rest of us face horrible, fiery destruction and annihilation.

No, we don't teach that. I hope to live here on the Earth. Matthew 5:5

I don't see this as entirely accurate...you believe your Governing Board and "the elect" or "slave class" will be in heaven while the rest of you will be on earth.

During Armageddon, this System will be destroyed along with those "loving violence". Jehovah will not allow the innocent to suffer annihilation.

I'm sorry you think we teach otherwise.

I know that's what many rank and file JW's believe but it runs contrary to Watchtower teachings:

Yes, the destruction of the gross sinners in those cities was eternal, as will be the destruction of the wicked at the end of the present system of things." Watchtower 1990 Apr 15 p.20

"The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then." Kingdom Ministry 1968 Mar p.4

"Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19​

The Watchtower teaches that all those not inside the "ark" (their Organization) will drown in a storm of meteors. Their is no assurance of salvation in the Watchtower.

The "elect" which consists of their Governing Board and those of the "144,000" have the best assurance of salvation, whereas the "great crowd", which consists of other Jehovah Witnesses may make it past Armageddon. "Opposers" and members of "false" religions like "Christendom", Buddhism, Islam, Judaism and yes, pagans will get plagues, floods, and fires, but most likely fall into the fissure created by an earthquake or receive their own personalized meteor (in the picture above you can see how the two meteors veer suddenly, having identified an interesting target).

"Apostates" who left the Organization will get the worst of it apparently. Perhaps a heavier or extra hot, more fiery meteor.Jehovah will ignore any apostate who left another religion to join the Watchtower.

At some point, doomed but clever members of "Christendom" will recognize everything except Kingdom Halls are being pulverized by meteors and will try to get in. But Jehovah Witnesses will lock the doors and simply tell them "too late". It's believed His angels will help keep them locked.

At this point I can just imagine what your thinking, but not to worry....Jehovah has not been blind to the prayers of His witnesses. After the carnage some buildings may still be standing. These are any gorgeous houses of homeowners that Witnesses, during their door to door preaching work, prayed might be spared during Armageddon so that they could move in. The only thing necessary will be to drag the bodies out and get them to a locale where they can be part of the vast public burial.

That was the common lore when I attended a Kingdom Hall, when the motto was "Stay alive till '75!" and we boldly knew and distributed "the truth" because we were all part of the 1914 generation that God's sole prophet, the Watchtower, promised would not pass away:

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But I don't think its a lore that/s changed much.

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[savagewind]

@Oeste I think that you are an amazingly talented writer.

 

[Oeste]

@Oeste I think that you are an amazingly talented writer.

Thank you for the kind words Savagewind. I miss the mark quite a few times, but the best any of us can do is try. Your comments sometime remind me of the "voice in the wilderness" crying to the Watchtower to make its path straight. Every church has a voice like this and its one we all need to hear.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Oh dear! Threats to your existence, morality and spiritual being? When did I ever make threats to you personally at all.

I never said you did, deeje, so spare us the sarcasm.

God doesn't make threats...

Practically, I agree with you here. But neither does he tell things; it's all coming from a book written by people that you believe is "the word of god" because they told you that's what it is. If your god started actually talking more, rather than it all coming from various ravenous fan-clubs, maybe people would start taking these "warnings-for-the-future-but-really-just-threats" with a bit more veracity.

If you feel threatened, then you are threatened by your own choices.

I never said I feel threatened. That does not change the threat. If a four year old tells me he's going to beat me up, however laughable and harmless that is it is still a threat issued.

Please don't blame others because they disagree with you and the worship of your gods.

Your disbelief in my gods is not the issue, deeje. You or anyone elses'. Unlike the Abrahamic faiths, most other faiths really just don't care; you do you. And there lies the issue; it's that your group decides to make your disbelief and disapproval in our gods and your disrespect of our beliefs a "personal mission" to interrupt our day and crap on our doorstep. (Figuratively speaking; don't get lost in the metaphor)

But it's cute that you think I actually fear your god. I guarantee you that when it comes to it, you fear one of my gods a whole lot more than I ever fret over the tantrums of yours. In fact, I would argue for all of them, as you find the need to preach against them.

The end of all wickedness is what God is going to bring about....and we look forward to it. Is that wrong?

Ah, the victim-flip. Look, if you want to believe in all the "destruction of the wicked" and make ridiculous videos like the one in the OP, do so to your heart's content. I guess that's your right. But keep it off our doorsteps, and maybe stop going so far as to bother people while they're at work, putting them on the spot with your leaflets. Your "right to belief" doesn't include the right to directly bother others.

 

[savagewind]

Thank you for the kind words Savagewind.

You're welcome.

I miss the mark quite a few times, but the best any of us can do is try.

As do I! I was a JW until I learned that what I was doing was trying to hit the mark the governing body chose and to do it their way. I believe God is for leading each person and not The Group. I suspect that the monsters in the Bible are visions of groups of people.

Your comments sometime remind me of the "voice in the wilderness" crying to the Watchtower to make its path straight. Every church has a voice like this and its one we all need to hear.

Thank you.

 

[kjw47]

You're going to pick that one verse out of the whole chapter and claim we can pay for our own sins with our own death?

How bout reading verses 1-6!

Everyone who has lived and are no longer here have died and the paid the wages of sin. Even those who repented.( Acts 3:19)
The remaining little flock( Luke 12:32) who are changed in the twinkling of an eye, will never taste death.
Those ( great multitude)brought through Har-mageddon on earth( Prov 2:21-22--Matt 24:22) may never taste death either.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Everyone who has lived and are no longer here have died and the paid the wages of sin.

Again, witnesses take that one verse, out of the whole chapter and claim we pay for our sin with our own death. Read verses 1-6.

 

[Deeje]

Again, witnesses take that one verse, out of the whole chapter and claim we pay for our sin with our own death. Read verses 1-6.

How is it out of context? "The wages of sin is death" so when a person dies they have paid sin's wages.
Christ's death is the currency for the payment. Without Jesus' sacrifice, the death would be permanent.

 

[savagewind]

How is it out of context? "The wages of sin is death" so when a person dies they have paid sin's wages.
Christ's death is the currency for the payment. Without Jesus' sacrifice, the death would be permanent.

LOL. It isn't about your physical death.

29 Bible verses about Spiritual Death 29 Bible Verses



When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions Colossians 2:13

Compare Strong's Greek: 2288. θάνατος (thanatos) -- death Definition: death, physical or spiritual.

 

[savagewind]

If a person will go on sinning he will be dead to the way, the truth, and the life. Romans 6:23