God's opposition to homosexual behavior. Why?

[pearl]

The bible doesnt speak of the attraction we know today.

That's because the biblical authors had no idea of sexual orientation. What they understood was sexual perversion.

 

[Aldrnari]

If I may butt in, it's not just that He feels that way about homosexual acts (if in fact He does), He feels that way about almost everything that we, as humans, do in our carnal, animal, human nature of selfishness. We NEED to have that self-important self-interest in order to survive as a species in the physical universe--it was not a design flaw--but we also NEED to be able to overcome, put aside, or in Xian vernacular, crucify our human nature and take on the divine nature of love in order to survive in the presence of God for eternity.

So whatever we do out of selfish interest is, to God, so bad that the perpetrators (namely, all of us) deserve to be condemned.

I'm struggling to see how homosexual relationships are inherently selfish- at least, any more than heterosexual relationships. These are attractions people can't help; they were born this way. It hardly seems fair from a god of supposed righteous judgement, imo...

 

[Jason.D.King]

God didn't oppose it at all. I wrote this a while back:

Clobber Verses

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That's because the biblical authors had no idea of sexual orientation. What they understood was sexual perversion.

Yep. If they knew, it wouldnt change anything. Being LGBT doesnt mean you are homosexual by biblical definitions.

 

[Audie]

"Thou shalt not lay with another man but ladies with ladies please keep it up, I am enjoying it from the view I've got up here. I'll tip you!" - Yahweh, in the unpublished gospel



Also, a joke

Ah, that is a relief.

 

[Mister Emu]

So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god?

The same thing that might turn a craftsman off if the stool they made topples over any time someone attempts to sit on it.

So far as I have heard, there is no logical rationale for condemnation of homosexuality. If anyone tells you there is, IMPE, they are either lying, or think "God says!" qualifies as a rational argument.

Does natural law moral philosophy fall under "lie" or "God says!"?

 

[Prestor John]

The following are "typical interpretations by religious conservatives" as presented by Religioustolerance.org.

Genesis 19 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior, whether by two men, two women, within a loving committed relationship or a "one-night stand."

Leviticus 18:22 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Leviticus 20:13 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 Condemns all homosexual behavior as unnatural.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death. Once truly saved, homosexuals will become heterosexuals.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Jude 1:7 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.
source​

If one accepts the passages cited as those inspired of god, and their interpretation in accordance with conservative Christian understanding, can anyone explain why the Christian god finds homosexuality "detestable" and worthy of "punishment of eternal fire"?

I know I'm asking people here to second guess god and his reasoning, but because so many Christians are keen to speak for him on numerous issues I figure some here would have a good insight into his thinking. So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god? Is it just some eeeeew factor, or does it go deeper than this?

.

It goes much deeper than that. I would say eternally deeper.

The entirety of Mankind, every single man and woman, are the literal children of God and as such have a divine destiny and purpose.

Since the moment of our eternal inception as spirits our Father has nurtured and guided us much like how mortal parents love and teach their children here in mortality.

Mortal parents are supposed to teach their children how to become active and productive members of their societies before they branch out, find their mates and continue the process.

In like manner, God has sought to prepare all of us for eternity. This began when we were yet spirits, and knew that we were different than our Father.

For an indeterminate amount of the time we lived with God and were loved and raised by him.

However, the time of our spiritual maturity eventually came and in order for us to continue to grow and develop as God's children we needed to leave His presence and venture on our own.

Our Father, ever loving and merciful, prepared the ideal place for us to go and He gave us time to live according to our free will without His parental meddling, unless we should desire and seek it out.

We needed to learn and grow on our own.

One of the most important purposes of our time here is to find our eternal mate to whom we can be sealed in marriage for all time and throughout all eternity.

This eternal relationship was one designed by God to help us become more like Him and to continue creating new life which will add to our eternal joy and glory.

Homosexual behavior frustrates God's plan for us and derails our eternal potential.

Nevertheless, salvation has been promised to all of God's children through the Atoning Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Even those who fall prey to homosexual behavior can and will receive eternal joy, however, unless this behavior is repented of in this life, they will have to wade through much affliction in the world to come before eventually being forgiven.

This affliction will come by way of self-reflection and the realization that they had failed to gain an eternal mate and therefore cannot have offspring, which would continue to add to their eternal joy and glory.

This state of being is often referred to as Hell in the scriptures. A temporary period of suffering caused by the memory of our unrepentant sins.

Therefore, those who decided to embrace their homosexual tendencies will receive eternal joy at the moment of their forgiveness and redemption, but they cannot have an increase of joy because they cannot have an eternal posterity.

God loves all of His children and He wants all of us to fulfill our eternal destiny and purpose by becoming like Him and inheriting endless joy.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The following are "typical interpretations by religious conservatives" as presented by Religioustolerance.org.

Genesis 19 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior, whether by two men, two women, within a loving committed relationship or a "one-night stand."

Leviticus 18:22 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Leviticus 20:13 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 Condemns all homosexual behavior as unnatural.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death. Once truly saved, homosexuals will become heterosexuals.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Jude 1:7 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.
source​

If one accepts the passages cited as those inspired of god, and their interpretation in accordance with conservative Christian understanding, can anyone explain why the Christian god finds homosexuality "detestable" and worthy of "punishment of eternal fire"?

I know I'm asking people here to second guess god and his reasoning, but because so many Christians are keen to speak for him on numerous issues I figure some here would have a good insight into his thinking. So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god? Is it just some eeeeew factor, or does it go deeper than this?

.

Well if you go to Matthew 19:4-5, Christ Jesus said--"Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they Twain shall one flesh"

Note that Jesus said ( have you not read ) that back in the beginning of Adam and Eve God made them male and female.

It doesn't say, God made them male and male Nor female and female,No.
God made them male and female.

God did not create man to be with man Nor did God create woman to be with woman.

God created man to be with woman and woman to be with man.

It was by Satan that homosexualit came to be.
Satan is trying hard to bring a disgrace to the image of God. Seeing how we are created in the image and likeness of God.

So to destroy God's image, Satan will do it through us.seeing how we are created in God's image.

The question is ? When was the first homosexual act committed ?

You can find the first homosexual act being committed in Genesis Chapter 3.

That Satan seduce Eve and then thru Eve Satan seduce Adam, in other words they had a 3 some in sexual relationship.

Then Eve gave birth two sons, Cain and Able.
Cain being the son of Satan, This is why in the Genoelogy of Adam, You do not find Cain in the Genoelogy of Adam's. If you read about the Genoelogy of Adam, is why Cain is not mention.
All because Cain is not the son of Adam, But the son of Satan. This is why in the Bible it is noted "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one"
This being another name for Satan
( the wicked one ) 1 John 3:12.
Therefore Cain is the son of Satan. And not the son of Adam.

This is why you will not find Cain in the Genoelogy of Adam''s.

 

[Faithofchristian]

It goes much deeper than that. I would say eternally deeper.

The entirety of Mankind, every single man and woman, are the literal children of God and as such have a divine destiny and purpose.

Since the moment of our eternal inception as spirits our Father has nurtured and guided us much like how mortal parents love and teach their children here in mortality.

Mortal parents are supposed to teach their children how to become active and productive members of their societies before they branch out, find their mates and continue the process.

In like manner, God has sought to prepare all of us for eternity. This began when we were yet spirits, and knew that we were different than our Father.

For an indeterminate amount of the time we lived with God and were loved and raised by him.

However, the time of our spiritual maturity eventually came and in order for us to continue to grow and develop as God's children we needed to leave His presence and venture on our own.

Our Father, ever loving and merciful, prepared the ideal place for us to go and He gave us time to live according to our free will without His parental meddling, unless we should desire and seek it out.

We needed to learn and grow on our own.

One of the most important purposes of our time here is to find our eternal mate to whom we can be sealed in marriage for all time and throughout all eternity.

This eternal relationship was one designed by God to help us become more like Him and to continue creating new life which will add to our eternal joy and glory.

Homosexual behavior frustrates God's plan for us and derails our eternal potential.

Nevertheless, salvation has been promised to all of God's children through the Atoning Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Even those who fall prey to homosexual behavior can and will receive eternal joy, however, unless this behavior is repented of in this life, they will have to wade through much affliction in the world to come before eventually being forgiven.

This affliction will come by way of self-reflection and the realization that they had failed to gain an eternal mate and therefore cannot have offspring, which would continue to add to their eternal joy and glory.

This state of being is often referred to as Hell in the scriptures. A temporary period of suffering caused by the memory of our unrepentant sins.

Therefore, those who decided to embrace their homosexual tendencies will receive eternal joy at the moment of their forgiveness and redemption, but they cannot have an increase of joy because they cannot have an eternal posterity.

God loves all of His children and He wants all of us to fulfill our eternal destiny and purpose by becoming like Him and inheriting endless joy.

If I may say, what you said above --- ( one of the most important purpose of our time here is to find our eternal mate to whom we can be sealed in marriage for all time and throughout all eternity)

You know this goes directly against what Christ Jesus said ---"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" Matthew 22:30.

"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven" Mark 12:25.

 

[Prestor John]

If I may say, what you said above --- ( one of the most important purpose of our time here is to find our eternal mate to whom we can be sealed in marriage for all time and throughout all eternity)

You know this goes directly against what Christ Jesus said ---"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" Matthew 22:30.

"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven" Mark 12:25.

Not at all.

Marriage only occurs within time. Either in this mortal life or in the spirit world immediately following by proxy.

There will be no marriages had or given at the time of our Resurrection or afterwards.

That is the cut off point. Which is one of the reasons why homosexual behavior is condemned so strongly.

What I have said and what I believe does not contradict what the Master said at all.

However, it may contradict false assumptions made about what He said, but not what He actually said.

 

[Prestor John]

Well if you go to Matthew 19:4-5, Christ Jesus said--"Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they Twain shall one flesh"

Note that Jesus said ( have you not read ) that back in the beginning of Adam and Eve God made them male and female.

It doesn't say, God made them male and male Nor female and female,No.
God made them male and female.

God did not create man to be with man Nor did God create woman to be with woman.

God created man to be with woman and woman to be with man.

It was by Satan that homosexualit came to be.
Satan is trying hard to bring a disgrace to the image of God. Seeing how we are created in the image and likeness of God.

So to destroy God's image, Satan will do it through us.seeing how we are created in God's image.

The question is ? When was the first homosexual act committed ?

You can find the first homosexual act being committed in Genesis Chapter 3.

That Satan seduce Eve and then thru Eve Satan seduce Adam, in other words they had a 3 some in sexual relationship.

Then Eve gave birth two sons, Cain and Able.
Cain being the son of Satan, This is why in the Genoelogy of Adam, You do not find Cain in the Genoelogy of Adam's. If you read about the Genoelogy of Adam, is why Cain is not mention.
All because Cain is not the son of Adam, But the son of Satan. This is why in the Bible it is noted "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one"
This being another name for Satan
( the wicked one ) 1 John 3:12.
Therefore Cain is the son of Satan. And not the son of Adam.

This is why you will not find Cain in the Genoelogy of Adam''s.

I cannot disagree more about Satan being the literal father of Cain and the idea that Adam and Eve engaged in sexual sin.

Even though a few of the generations from Cain are included in the Genesis account, Seth's lineage is the line focused on because he became Adam's heir, to both the family and the Priesthood authority.

Cain rebelled and profaned against God, Adam and the Priesthood, for which he was cut off, both to the family and the Priesthood.

Our first parents were righteous individuals who never committed sexual sin.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The same thing that might turn a craftsman off if the stool they made topples over any time someone attempts to sit on it.


Does natural law moral philosophy fall under "lie" or "God says!"?

probably a bit of both.

But by all means, prove me wrong and provide a logically consistent, non-circular argument for homosexuality being inmoral, that doesn't rely on "God said", or any of the classic fallacies, and holds up to follow questions, and I'll happily admit my error.

As I've said elsewhere, I believe homosexuality is sinful. If you could provide me a logical foundation for that belief, I'd be grateful.

But I've been asking this question for years, and no one has managed to, so I will be very surprised if I hear something new now.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Not at all.

Marriage only occurs within time. Either in this mortal life or in the spirit world immediately following by proxy.

There will be no marriages had or given at the time of our Resurrection or afterwards.

That is the cut off point. Which is one of the reasons why homosexual behavior is condemned so strongly.

What I have said and what I believe does not contradict what the Master said at all.

However, it may contradict false assumptions made about what He said, but not what He actually said.

There will be marriage in heaven, nor will there be anyone married in heaven. We will be like the angels in heaven.
There will be no male and female, all will be of one gender.all males.like the angels in heaven.

There is no where in the scriptures that angels was ever referred to as females or woman.
But you will find angels being called Man.

 

[LuisDantas]

My take on it (as a non-Christian and non-theist) is that in all likelihood the authors are simply projecting to their god-concept some of their own values.

As for why and how despisal of homosexuality would be a value for them, I can only guess. Part of it may have been simple habit of valuing a man by how much well he coupled with women. Part of it may have been a perception that a man is supposed to breed children that may grown and make the tribe stronger and more influential. But who knows?

 

[Faithofchristian]

I cannot disagree more about Satan being the literal father of Cain and the idea that Adam and Eve engaged in sexual sin.

Even though a few of the generations from Cain are included in the Genesis account, Seth's lineage is the line focused on because he became Adam's heir, to both the family and the Priesthood authority.

Cain rebelled and profaned against God, Adam and the Priesthood, for which he was cut off, both to the family and the Priesthood.

Our first parents were righteous individuals who never committed sexual sin.

Did not Eve say she was ( beguiled) by the serpent which is Satan ?

The Hebrew Translation of (beguiled) means to Seduce) Hebrew 5377)

Thereby to seduce is to lure or entice, particularly away from obligations or proper behavior,
Something close to attract, beguile, tempt, and mislead a beautiful woman to be seduce to sexual behavior.

Therefore Eve being seduce by the serpent Satan, into a sexual behavior.which produce Cain.
There is no where in the Genealogy of Adam that Cain is mention.

 

[robocop (actually)]

The following are "typical interpretations by religious conservatives" as presented by Religioustolerance.org.

Genesis 19 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior, whether by two men, two women, within a loving committed relationship or a "one-night stand."

Leviticus 18:22 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Leviticus 20:13 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 Condemns all homosexual behavior as unnatural.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death. Once truly saved, homosexuals will become heterosexuals.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Condemns all same-sex sexual behavior.

Jude 1:7 Sexually active homosexuals will go to Hell, not Heaven, at death.
source​

If one accepts the passages cited as those inspired of god, and their interpretation in accordance with conservative Christian understanding, can anyone explain why the Christian god finds homosexuality "detestable" and worthy of "punishment of eternal fire"?

I know I'm asking people here to second guess god and his reasoning, but because so many Christians are keen to speak for him on numerous issues I figure some here would have a good insight into his thinking. So, Just what is it about showing sexual affection toward someone of the same sex that turns off god? Is it just some eeeeew factor, or does it go deeper than this?

.

I don't think you're reading them right. When the Bible condemns a homosexual act, it provides a reason. Were that reason to disappear it would no longer be considered a problem. For instance, "Thou shalt not be a homesexual it is detestable." Well, what if later on it wasn't detestable?

In ancient times, people couldn't stand homosexuality and therefore it was abominable to them as well as the Lord (the Lord because He wanted acceptance). Only recently have people come around in some places. Note that the more modern scriptures is the less it condemns homosexuality.

 

[Prestor John]

Did not Eve say she was ( beguiled) by the serpent which is Satan ?

The Hebrew Translation of (beguiled) means to Seduce) Hebrew 5377)

Thereby to seduce is to lure or entice, particularly away from obligations or proper behavior,
Something close to attract, beguile, tempt, and mislead a beautiful woman to be seduce to sexual behavior.

Therefore Eve being seduce by the serpent Satan, into a sexual behavior.which produce Cain.
There is no where in the Genealogy of Adam that Cain is mention.

To be "beguiled" or "seduced" means to be "deceived" or "led astray."

The writers of the Old Testament use the same word many other times and none of them refer to sex at all.

The Genesis account clearly records that Adam was the father of Cain,

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord." (Genesis 4:1)

Not only does the record confirm that it was the congress between Adam and Eve that led to Cain's conception, but Eve also remarks that Cain had been received "from the Lord", not Satan.

You simply have no case from a Biblical stand point.

 

[Faithofchristian]

To be "beguiled" or "seduced" means to be "deceived" or "led astray."

The writers of the Old Testament use the same word many other times and none of them refer to sex at all.

The Genesis account clearly records that Adam was the father of Cain,

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord." (Genesis 4:1)

Not only does the record confirm that it was the congress between Adam and Eve that led to Cain's conception, but Eve also remarks that Cain had been received "from the Lord", not Satan.

You simply have no case from a Biblical stand point.

Look it all depends on the Terminology, in which seduce is being used.

Look a person can say, I was seduce into believing this or that.

A woman can say, she was seduce into having sex or a man can say, that he was seduce in having sex.

It all depends on which way the terminology is being used for seduce.

My case is supported biblical, just because you do not understand those things which are spiritual, does not mean that they do not exist.
As it is written in the bible--"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
1 Corinthians 2:14.

You see those things which I speak of are spiritual and it takes those who understand spiritual things, to understand spiritual things.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

God created male and female for the purpose of having children. Two men or two women rubbing on each other will not produce children. It is contrary to the reason two sexes were made.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

all of us) deserve to be condemned.

Probably the greatest thing about not being Christian is not being weighted down by such notions of self-degradation or believing others are deserving of whatever punishment the various Christians propose. Being LBGT, it only "deserves hellfire" if you actually believe that stuff. To the rest of us, it's just who a person is (and really not even an identity feature worth taking note of) and is nothing worth getting worked up or offended over.