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Why is the “Christian” day of rest, on the 8th day?

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Gerhard Ebersoehn

Member
Faithofchristian said:
Christ Jesus fulfilled the sabbath day, Thereby Christ Jesus became our rest.

This why Christ Jesus said in
Matthew 11:28--"Come unto me, all ye, that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"

Note Jesus said (he will give you rest)
Said nothing about giving sabbath rest.
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Simply incorrect and incomplete.
"Jesus gave them Rest", "I will give you rest", "the Rest-OF-God", Himself, the Christ of God. That is one thing.
How is another thing. "Jesus gave them Rest", "I will give you rest", "the Rest-OF-God", HOW?
Yes, "by the Sacrifice of Himself". But verily by This Man at his best state altogether all-exceeding in Power, "HIS HOLINESS BY RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD, we have received grace."
"For if we, when we were enemies were reconciled to God by the DEATH of his Son, MUCH MORE being reconciled, shall we be saved by his LIFE! And not only saved by his Life, but that also we, now JOY IN GOD THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. ... That like as Christ was RAISED UP from the dead by the GLORY of the Father, even so we also, should walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE. For if we have been PLANTED together in Him in the likeness of his DEATH, we shall also LIVE in the likeness of his RESURRECTION. ... Now if we be dead with Christ we believe that we shall also live with Him knowing, that CHRIST BEING RAISED from the dead dieth no more ... for in that He DIED, He died unto sin once: but in that He LIVETH, He liveth unto God."

Now decide for yourself and receive recompense accordingly,
The Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD: being sin Christ died unto;
or,
The Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD: CHRIST BEING RAISED from the dead on, ever LIVETH being Lord of.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
But our resting on the Sabbath, does have everything to do with "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" ... "IF JESUS GAVE THEM (us) REST and it, therefore, for the People of God remains, to rest the Sabbath Day".
Throughout the Scriptures "GOD, thus ... in time past through the prophets and in these last days BY THE SON ... concerning the Seventh Day, SPAKE" ... "and it was".
Now it only means what and how much God's speaking means for his people whether the Sabbath of his making has anything to do with them.
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Ok Look in the book of Hebrews we find in Chapters 3 & 4,

Now if you remember Moses and Israel were wondering in the wilderness for
40 years, even though Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath, Look what God said to them in Chapter 3 Verse 9--"When your father's tempted me, proved me, and saw my works 40 years"

And then in Verse 10--"Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart: and they have not known my ways"

Even though Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath for 40 years, they still didn't know God's ways.

Verse 11--"So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest"

Even though Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath of rest for 40 years, God sware Israel will not enter his rest.

You should be getting the picture, that there's two Rest's being spoken of.

One rest being the 7th day sabbath rest.
And the other being God's Rest.

That even though Israel was keeping the
7th day sabbath rest for 40 years, they still wasn't entering God's Rest.
For God sware in his wrath that Israel will not enter his Rest. Hebrews 3:11.

Alot of people believe to rest is to keep the 7th day sabbath rest.
But this is not entering God's Rest, Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath rest for 40 years, But they were not entering God's Rest.
As God sware in his wrath that Israel will not enter his Rest. So just because Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath rest for 40 years, they still were not entering God's Rest.

Just because people maybe keeping the
7th day sabbath, does not constitute that they are entering God's Rest, As you haved found out. That Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath for 40 years, but still was not entering God's Rest. For God sware in his wrath Israel would not enter his Rest.

Notice in Chapter 4:4-5
Verse 4--"for he spake in a certain place on the 7th Day on this wise, and God did rest the seventh day from all his works"

Verse 5--"and in this place again if they shall enter into my rest"

Do you get the picture here, Just because people rest on the 7th day as God did rest from all his works on the 7th day, Then God said in Verse 5, if they shall enter into my Rest. Just because people rest on the 7th day, does not mean they are entering God's Rest.
People are entering the day of rest and that's all their doing is keeping a day to rest on, But they are not entering God's Rest.

Verse 6--"seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief"

It was first preached to Israel, but Israel did not enter God's Rest, because of their unbelief, but yet Israel was keeping the
7th day sabbath, But Israel was not entering God's Rest,

Therefore just because people keep the 7th day sabbath does not mean they are entering God's Rest. As God sware in his wrath that Israel will not enter his Rest.
But yet Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath for 40 years, but Israel was not entering God's Rest.

Chapter 4:8--"For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not Afterward have spoken of another day"

Jesus never spoke of another day or signified of keeping the 7th day sabbath.

Why is that, because after Jesus death and Resurrection, We now rest in Christ Jesus. That's Why Jesus never spoke of another day, because we now rest in Christ Jesus and not on or in any day of the week, no more. That's Why.

We Rest in Christ Jesus and not in or on any day of the week no more.

If you think like Israel did, by keeping the 7th day sabbath, all your doing is entering the 7th day sabbath of rest, But your still not entering God's Rest.Until you come to Jesus and rest in him.

If your resting in a day and people are resting in God, Who do you suppose will get the better of a blessing, Those who put their belief in a day to rest or those who put their belief in God to rest ?

As the book of Hebrews Chapters 3,4, Points out.
You rest in a day and I will rest in Christ Jesus.
 
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metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
2ndpillar said:
And yet Moses didn't circumcize his son on the 8th day, yet his Gentile wife did circumcise their son as a young boy, and that circumcision was acceptable to the angel of God.

As the 7th day, is the day of rest, and the 7th millennium, such as the 7th day, will be the day of Israel's circumcision of the heart (Jer 31:31) & (Ez 36:22-26), who is going to be circumcised in the 8th millennium?
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Why are you quoting scripture if you ignore those which doesn't fit into your preconceived paradigm? Also, you seem to forget that Moses wasn't admitting that he was a Jew when in Egypt, so not having his son circumcised makes sense in that context.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
metis said:
Why are you quoting scripture if you ignore those which doesn't fit into your preconceived paradigm? Also, you seem to forget that Moses wasn't admitting that he was a Jew when in Egypt, so not having his son circumcised makes sense in that context.
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Someone seems to be making up their story as they go. I kind of think that the Pharaoh knew Moses was representing Israel, and the plagues falling on Egypt were the result of the God of Moses. The house of Judah, the Jews, were yet in the future. Moses met his wife after being thrown out into the wilderness by the Pharaoh.
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn

Member
Faithofchristian said:
Ok Look in the book of Hebrews we find in Chapters 3 & 4,

Now if you remember Moses and Israel were wondering in the wilderness for
40 years, even though Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath, Look what God said to them in Chapter 3 Verse 9--"When your father's tempted me, proved me, and saw my works 40 years"

And then in Verse 10--"Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart: and they have not known my ways"

Even though Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath for 40 years, they still didn't know God's ways.

Verse 11--"So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest"

Even though Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath of rest for 40 years, God sware Israel will not enter his rest.

You should be getting the picture, that there's two Rest's being spoken of.

One rest being the 7th day sabbath rest.
And the other being God's Rest.

That even though Israel was keeping the
7th day sabbath rest for 40 years, they still wasn't entering God's Rest.
For God sware in his wrath that Israel will not enter his Rest. Hebrews 3:11.

Alot of people believe to rest is to keep the 7th day sabbath rest.
But this is not entering God's Rest, Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath rest for 40 years, But they were not entering God's Rest.
As God sware in his wrath that Israel will not enter his Rest. So just because Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath rest for 40 years, they still were not entering God's Rest.

Just because people maybe keeping the
7th day sabbath, does not constitute that they are entering God's Rest, As you haved found out. That Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath for 40 years, but still was not entering God's Rest. For God sware in his wrath Israel would not enter his Rest.

Notice in Chapter 4:4-5
Verse 4--"for he spake in a certain place on the 7th Day on this wise, and God did rest the seventh day from all his works"

Verse 5--"and in this place again if they shall enter into my rest"

Do you get the picture here, Just because people rest on the 7th day as God did rest from all his works on the 7th day, Then God said in Verse 5, if they shall enter into my Rest. Just because people rest on the 7th day, does not mean they are entering God's Rest.
People are entering the day of rest and that's all their doing is keeping a day to rest on, But they are not entering God's Rest.

Verse 6--"seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief"

It was first preached to Israel, but Israel did not enter God's Rest, because of their unbelief, but yet Israel was keeping the
7th day sabbath, But Israel was not entering God's Rest,

Therefore just because people keep the 7th day sabbath does not mean they are entering God's Rest. As God sware in his wrath that Israel will not enter his Rest.
But yet Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath for 40 years, but Israel was not entering God's Rest.

Chapter 4:8--"For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not Afterward have spoken of another day"

Jesus never spoke of another day or signified of keeping the 7th day sabbath.

Why is that, because after Jesus death and Resurrection, We now rest in Christ Jesus. That's Why Jesus never spoke of another day, because we now rest in Christ Jesus and not on or in any day of the week, no more. That's Why.

We Rest in Christ Jesus and not in or on any day of the week no more.

If you think like Israel did, by keeping the 7th day sabbath, all your doing is entering the 7th day sabbath of rest, But your still not entering God's Rest.Until you come to Jesus and rest in him.

If your resting in a day and people are resting in God, Who do you suppose will get the better of a blessing, Those who put their belief in a day to rest or those who put their belief in God to rest ?

As the book of Hebrews Chapters 3,4, Points out.
You rest in a day and I will rest in Christ Jesus.
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'Alot of people' isn't including me, I hope. And who 'put their belief in a day' here? Not me included, I plead.

But who are you to tell me, "You rest in a day"!? You who 'rest in Christ Jesus'?!
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
2ndpillar said:
You forget, the Sabbath was made for man.(Mark 2:27)
New American Standard Bible Mark 2:27
Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
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I was referring to the Sabbaths under the temporary Constitution under the Mosaic Law.
The true purpose of the Sabbath was made void by the corrupted religious leaders by making people slaves to their traditions or customs instead of having the Sabbath serving men to God's honor. - Matthew 15:3,6; 23:2-4; Mark 2:27.
Jesus, as being a Jew under that Mosaic Law, observed the Sabbath as instructed by the old Hebrew Scriptures and Not as the Pharisees directed it.
Since Jesus is the end of that temporary law as per Romans 10:4, then Christians are Not under that ended law but are delivered or discharged from it as per Romans 7:6.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
2ndpillar said:
The 8th day, the day after the 7th day, the Sabbath rest of God. That will be the day of the great white throne judgment, and the event horizon, known as the 2nd death.
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I believe you must be drinking the Koolaid. There isn't any valid evidence for this.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Muffled said:
I believe you must be drinking the Koolaid. There isn't any valid evidence for this.
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Au Contraire, Mon Ami. The 7th day represents the 7th millennium, which would be the "millennium" (Rev 20:4). Once the millennium is over, then comes the white throne judgement (Rev 20:5 & Rev 20:10-15), which would be in the 8th day when the sun and moon would be unnecessary (Rev 21:23).
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
Christ was RAISED UP from the dead by the GLORY of the Father, even so we also, should walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE. For if we have been PLANTED together in Him in the likeness of his DEATH, we shall also LIVE in the likeness of his RESURRECTION
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You forgot to note that you were quoting the "false prophet" in making your case (Romans 6:4). Not good.
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn

Member
Faithofchristian said:
As God sware in his wrath that Israel will not enter his Rest. So just because Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath rest for 40 years, they still were not entering God's Rest.
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To this day Israel was keeping the 7th day sabbath; they never once kept "the Seventh Day Sabbath Rest Day OF THE LORD GOD". And you are not going to do better than they did whatever you think you are doing or keeping or entering or whatever.
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn

Member
Faithofchristian said:
Notice in Chapter 4:4-5
Verse 4--"for he spake in a certain place on the 7th Day on this wise, and God did rest the seventh day from all his works"

Verse 5--"and in this place again if they shall enter into my rest"

Do you get the picture here, Just because people rest on the 7th day as God did rest from all his works on the 7th day, Then God said in Verse 5, if they shall enter into my Rest. Just because people rest on the 7th day, does not mean they are entering God's Rest.
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You have to admit though... or rather, You in fact have admitted herewith that verse 5 implies 'God did rest from all his works on the 7th day'.
You are so right, I must admit I have never noticed before verse 5 says it! Many thanks!
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn

Member
Faithofchristian said:
If your resting in a day and people are resting in God, Who do you suppose will get the better of a blessing, Those who put their belief in a day to rest or those who put their belief in God to rest ?

As the book of Hebrews Chapters 3,4, Points out.
You rest in a day and I will rest in Christ Jesus.
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After a 23 and a halve times repeated 'picture' asking a speculative question answered with unhesitating audacious judgemental assertion... I guess I 'get the picture', alright!
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
'One rest being the 7th day sabbath rest.'-- Yes! "For the People of God".

'And the other being God's Rest.'-- Yes! "When He raised Christ from the dead".

And that "on the Sabbath before the First Day of the week".

So?
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the 7th day sabbath was to lead Israel to Christ.
That now that Christ did come and risen, that now for Christians we rest in Christ and not on any day of the week.

This is why Christ Jesus said in
Mattew 11:28--"Come unto me, all you that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"

Note that Christ did not say he will give 7th day sabbath rest, No.
Christ he himself will give you rest.
So we rest in Christ Jesus and not on any day of the week.
 
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