Jehovah's Witness cartoon suggests to Children that magic-themed toys make Jehovah 'sad'

[savagewind]

Well djhwoodwerks, I'd like to hear KJW detailed explanation on this one, especially why Watchtower "errors", unlike "Christendom", are simply "former truths" and not a "...great reproach and dishonor to God", keeping in mind James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." and Matthew 7:5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Until then, sit back and prepared to be treated to a fine buff, polish and glaze...that is, if he doesn't skip over it entirely.

I wonder if there is betting? I bet he'll skip.

 

[Oeste]

Tell me about those pagan practices that are part of Easter and Christmas, please, what are they ?

I'd like to hear them too.

Suppose your church hosts a Sunday afternoon picnic. They bring blankets and food, spread them under a tree, and then give thanks to God.

The only thing necessary for a Jehovah Witness to consider picnics a "God dishonoring practice" and/or "pagan ritual" would be a Watchtower illustration showing tree worshipers with a blanket who may at one time feasted under a tree. To show how this works I randomly grabbed an illustration of Druids:

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For good measure I throw in the Norse god Idun, plucking apples from something that suspiciously looks like a picnic basket:

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When we look at the origin of the French word "picnic" we see "pic" as most likely coming from the word "piquer" meaning "to pick" (think Idun) and the German word "nique" meaning "worthless thing" which is all we need to show the "real" worldly reason "Christendom" has picnics!

Of course, If I could draw like Watchtower artists, I could do a much better job at conveying this thought through illustration.

But it doesn't matter that Druids and the worship of trees or Idun are the farthest thing from the minds of Christians on a Sunday afternoon picnic. In the mind of a JW, your church is now participating in a pagan practice, spiritually feasting at the "table of demons" every time they spread a blanket, and our refusal to acknowledge this "fact" means that we and everyone at our church will have a meteor headed our way during Armageddon:

In all fairness to the JW's they haven't forbidden picnics yet, but I think I've fairly illustrated their thinking and rationale. No critical thinking is necessary when it's all laid out, illustrated, and guided through the pages of the Watchtower. It's a relatively simple exercise that for many of the church's critics has become persuasive.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Well djhwoodwerks, I'd like to hear KJW detailed explanation on this one, especially why Watchtower "errors", unlike "Christendom", are simply "former truths" and not a "...great reproach and dishonor to God", keeping in mind James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." and Matthew 7:5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Until then, sit back and prepared to be treated to a fine buff, polish and glaze...that is, if he doesn't skip over it entirely.

I've confronted a few witnesses with that, they just say it's not true anymore, new light I guess! They have to cover the gb's back.

 

[shmogie]

I'd like to hear them too.

Suppose your church hosts a Sunday afternoon picnic. They bring blankets and food, spread them under a tree, and then give thanks to God.

The only thing necessary for a Jehovah Witness to consider picnics a "God dishonoring practice" and/or "pagan ritual" would be a Watchtower illustration showing tree worshipers with a blanket who may at one time feasted under a tree. To show how this works I randomly grabbed an illustration of Druids:

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For good measure I throw in the Norse god Idun, plucking apples from something that suspiciously looks like a picnic basket:

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When we look at the origin of the French word "picnic" we see "pic" as most likely coming from the word "piquer" meaning "to pick" (think Idun) and the German word "nique" meaning "worthless thing" which is all we need to show the "real" worldly reason "Christendom" has picnics!

Of course, If I could draw like Watchtower artists, I could do a much better job at conveying this thought through illustration.

But it doesn't matter that Druids and the worship of trees or Idun are the farthest thing from the minds of Christians on a Sunday afternoon picnic. In the mind of a JW, your church is now participating in a pagan practice, spiritually feasting at the "table of demons" every time they spread a blanket, and our refusal to acknowledge this "fact" means that we and everyone at our church will have a meteor headed our way during Armageddon:

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In all fairness to the JW's they haven't forbidden picnics yet, but I think I've fairly illustrated their thinking and rationale. No critical thinking is necessary when it's all laid out, illustrated, and guided through the pages of the Watchtower. It's a relatively simple exercise that for many of the church's critics has become persuasive.

Great Post ! Since denominations major in minors, usually for a sense of exclusiveness and dare I say superiority, the Jw's have done a great job of it. I am not at all criticizing these people, just their theology. They freely use the names of the week, which are named after pagan gods. Since they believe that association in some manner with an alleged pagan date, 12/25 puts you under the ther influence of satan, why not continuously chanting the names of pagan gods in your daily life ? Further, they use and verbalize the Jewish calendar name for their memorial service, inconsisstent ?

 

[shmogie]

I've confronted a few witnesses with that, they just say it's not true anymore, new light I guess! They have to cover the gb's back.

Yes, JW theology is like silly putty, easily twisted into any shape, anytime by it's owner ( the GB, WTS )

 

[Janiemar]

My friend showed me this video on YouTube the other day. I had no idea Jehovah's Witnesses even produced cartoons. Nonetheless, I found the message of the video not only odd, but subtly authoritarian in nature. I'll let you judge for yourself:

Seems that playing pretend with an action figure is rather an odd thing for 'Jehovah' to get upset about, no?

One may think eah? I believe that there are some Faiths in which proclaim to believe, yet forget the expanse of the One they worship. I would surmise the religion of Jehova Wittiness is unaware of the Keys of Solomon; magic directly given by God.

 

[Janiemar]

Even beyond this lack of imagination is lack of innovation. I cannot believe that any being in which could create such a complex invention would not expect some kind of progression

 

[shmogie]

One may think eah? I believe that there are some Faiths in which proclaim to believe, yet forget the expanse of the One they worship. I would surmise the religion of Jehova Wittiness is unaware of the Keys of Solomon; magic directly given by God.

A mason speaks ?

 

[shmogie]

Even beyond this lack of imagination is lack of innovation. I cannot believe that any being in which could create such a complex invention would not expect some kind of progression

We all have opinions, they are quite common. Thank you for sharing yours.

 

[kjw47]

There have been people looking for truth since the time of Adam KJW. That doesn't give one license to make up your own. A "hidden truth" is still truth. It is not an "error". Simply because a truth may be hidden is absolutely no reason for us to introduce errors in the name of God. God does not introduce error "until the proper time". Error is introduced by false prophets, not by God.

BTW, I am unaware of any traditional Christian church that taught 1914 would be the time of the end, or later, that it would mark the "final generation" that would see Armageddon. Nor am I aware of any traditional, historic church that went out and brought property for the ancient worthies they claimed would be shortly rising from the dead. Lastly I am unaware of any who announced 1940 was only a "few months" until Armageddon.

Blaming your own errors on others is a spiritual sin KJW. Apparently your church still teaches this as "truth". I've asked you before...exactly which bible translation, that later needed correction, lead your Governing Board into believing this?

You have yet to answer. Instead...

You go silent.

You obfuscate.

You gloss over my comments.

You ignore it.

You pretend you don't understand it.

Or you pretend you didn't see it or for some reason, couldn't read it.​

Perhaps the words got fuzzy. So I'll make them larger.

Can you kindly and distinctly tell us which of Christendom's "erroneous" bible translations lead the Watchtower's Governing Board into believing 1914, 1925, or 1940 held any special spiritual significance at all, and explicitly which verses were "corrected" so that we might all see it?



God's angels desired to know "truths", not errors. Why would angels accept error in lieu of truth?

Look, if the angels aren't willing to accept errors in lieu of truth, can you explain why you are?

I would much rather hear an "I don't know" from my teacher than have him make up something on the spot.



For some reason Matthew 7:5 comes to mind.

God hid certain truths ( Dan 12:4) not until these last days were they revealed--I told you--those teachings were in every bible all along--they did not just skip over those teachings, they taught on them in every religion claiming to be Christian until these last days. In error until God revealed what they actually meant. It took correction--the whole world has witnessed the correction--the majority reject it. Why? Because it wasn't taught all along--What don't they understand about Dan 12:4???? they don't understand that is the problem of why the revealed truths are rejected by most.

 

[kjw47]

Try as we might, sure can find a "Yahweh's Stuff - No Touching!" on creation. And if your god says 100% what goes in his creation, then he had some hand in creating toys of warrior wizards.

So why are you all bellyaching about kids having fun?


Strong words from a group that does nothing but judge others.

Facts are there's nothing that proves your god over other gods, or no gods at all. Facts are you're just blowing holy smoke with thinly-veiled fear mongering.
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No God did not have anything to do with creating things like that--All have free will. Some use it improperly.
Very sad--you don't know God or his son--Jesus sends his true followers to his Father so they can accomplish this-John 4:22-24
Its the Trinitarians that cant get by Jesus to get to the Father.

 

[kjw47]

Please, here we go about Rome, again. Do you mean Roman Catholics, or the Roman Empire ? Either way, your assertion is nonsense. You have no concept of the history of the early church, do you ? You receive it as digested pap from you watchtower society with no effort to verify it. A mindless sheep following the goat to who knows where

I know many facts about the religion that came out of Rome--They screwed it all up. It wasn't the religion Jesus began=100% fact of life.

 

[kjw47]

Right, and a child's action figure comes off the 'table of demons'?

I'm sorry. I am not meaning to seem rude. I'm asking something really serious, as I see it.

I also am not certain you're not reading something into those passages outside of the immediate context. That was specifically in a time when pagan worship was a real possibility for Christians to get caught up in. Why should I infer that's about the future, extending all the way down to the present day and children's toys?

Its what the figure represents= the occult--God hates it. Halloween is filled with occult things, yet the blind guides fail to warn--Cupid added to valentines day--a real life false god--yet parents hand this to their own children. To break Gods #1 commandment--most laugh it off like in your thinking about an occult toy.
This is what is occurring with things like that-2Corinthians 11:12-15

 

[kjw47]

Tell me about those pagan practices that are part of Easter and Christmas, please, what are they ?

The pagan rites of spring= colored eggs and the bunny rabbit--alive to this day--laughed off as meaningless. The false god associated with that festival in 2 different languages= Astarte--Ishtar----not much different from Easter.

The saturnalia festival- on or around Dec 25th--feasting, exchanging of gifts--worship to the sun--so they tried to give to Jesus as his birth celebration--Yule and decorated pine branches or trees as well.

 

[kjw47]

*** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
All error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God.

That is why one can be thankful that the real teachers of Jesus keep on looking and making sure of all things and making correction to errors God would not like.

 

[kjw47]

Well djhwoodwerks, I'd like to hear KJW detailed explanation on this one, especially why Watchtower "errors", unlike "Christendom", are simply "former truths" and not a "...great reproach and dishonor to God", keeping in mind James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." and Matthew 7:5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Until then, sit back and prepared to be treated to a fine buff, polish and glaze...that is, if he doesn't skip over it entirely.

The JW teachers corrected their errors--have you seen any other teachers claiming to belong to God making corrections? So my teachers do cast the log out of their own eye by correcting.
And in the early years only had error filled trinity translation to go by. It took many years of studying many aspects by many men to find the errors and make correction--no one else has.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

That is why one can be thankful that the real teachers of Jesus keep on looking and making sure of all things and making correction to errors God would not like.

If your "slave" teach "every utterance of God", is God speaking error?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The JW teachers corrected their errors--have you seen any other teachers claiming to belong to God making corrections?

Have you seen any teachers, preachers or prophets in the Bible, OT or NT, that taught errors when teaching or preaching what God told them to?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Its what the figure represents= the occult--God hates it. Halloween is filled with occult things, yet the blind guides fail to warn--Cupid added to valentines day--a real life false god--yet parents hand this to their own children. To break Gods #1 commandment--most laugh it off like in your thinking about an occult toy.
This is what is occurring with things like that-2Corinthians 11:12-15

Right, but why infer that kind of far-reaching context, when the most immediate explanation concerns that time period?

 

[Oeste]

Great Post ! Since denominations major in minors, usually for a sense of exclusiveness and dare I say superiority, the Jw's have done a great job of it. I am not at all criticizing these people, just their theology.

Neither do I and I thank you for bringing this up. My cousin, who is more brother than cousin, is a JW, as were my best friends growing up. We're not as close as we were but I still see them when my cousin is in town. I have no ill will towards JW's even though they would easily label me an "opposer" and shut off contact if they saw my postings on this board. it is their theology...the shunning, judgments, finger pointing...all while remaining conveniently inconsistent in their theology that I object to. Had the WT not left a a leaflet on my door implying my church and every other (especially Catholic) Christian church "tolerated" child molesters...even while they themselves were being investigated for child molestation...I would not be here now.

They freely use the names of the week, which are named after pagan gods. Since they believe that association in some manner with an alleged pagan date, 12/25 puts you under the ther influence of satan, why not continuously chanting the names of pagan gods in your daily life ? Further, they use and verbalize the Jewish calendar name for their memorial service, inconsisstent ?

Amazingly inconsistent, and an excellent point Shmogie!

If they are truly concerned about pagans gods and holidays, then they should feel the same about pagans gods and days. First day, Second Day, Third day etc. are freely available to them, yet they consistently and unapologetically use Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. Same goes for the months of the year.

All I can say is that the continued use and utterance of these pagan days and months by Witnesses must make Jehovah sad. Imagine using "Jehovah" in the same breath as "Saturday" during a public talk in a Kingdom Hall!

In any event I would agree that it is hypocritical to point an accusing finger at the church across the street for holding "Easter" services when your Kingdom Hall is holding service on "Saturday", "Tuesday", "Wednesday", "Thursday" and "Sunday!":

I have no idea what dire and ungodly pagan practices were performed on those days, but I'm sure if we looked closely enough we could find a few, and as KJW might say, it would be "100% fact."

Perhaps @kjw47 @Deeje, @Hockeycowboy or one of the other Witnesses can explain the rationale for us. This may be one of those "errors" where Christendom's "erroneous bible translations" have led the Governing Board to commit "error" that KJW claims is in need of "correction".