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They Are Coming For Your Guns!

esmith

Veteran Member
I can't count the number of times I have heard on this forum that the Dem's do not want your firearms. Well guess that has just been found to be a false statement. Seems that the Illinois House just passed a law (65-41) that:
"Possession of assault-style weapons by anyone under 21 would be illegal under legislation that the Illinois House endorsed.

The plan sponsored by Democratic Rep. Michelle Mussman of Schaumburg would prohibit minors from buying or possessing high-capacity weapons, attachments, .50-caliber rifles and cartridges. They would have 90 days to transfer ownership."
Illinois House passes measure to raise assault-style weapon buying age to 21
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I can't count the number of times I have heard on this forum that the Dem's do not want your firearms. Well guess that has just been found to be a false statement. Seems that the Illinois House just passed a law (65-41) that:
"Possession of assault-style weapons by anyone under 21 would be illegal under legislation that the Illinois House endorsed.

The plan sponsored by Democratic Rep. Michelle Mussman of Schaumburg would prohibit minors from buying or possessing high-capacity weapons, attachments, .50-caliber rifles and cartridges. They would have 90 days to transfer ownership."
Illinois House passes measure to raise assault-style weapon buying age to 21
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465

Did anyone personally tell YOU that they wanted YOUR firearms?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well " kids" won't be shooting themselves anymore in school. They made a law! The end of Youth shootings in Illinois.


God what are the Amish youth going to do?

They can no longer walk down the road with their rifles!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I can't count the number of times I have heard on this forum that the Dem's do not want your firearms. Well guess that has just been found to be a false statement. Seems that the Illinois House just passed a law (65-41) that:
"Possession of assault-style weapons by anyone under 21 would be illegal under legislation that the Illinois House endorsed.

The plan sponsored by Democratic Rep. Michelle Mussman of Schaumburg would prohibit minors from buying or possessing high-capacity weapons, attachments, .50-caliber rifles and cartridges. They would have 90 days to transfer ownership."
Illinois House passes measure to raise assault-style weapon buying age to 21
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465
That's cuz 50 cal rifles are involved in so many school shootings.
(And they say it's not about being "scary looking".)
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
How does this signify gun grabbing again? By law we don't let anyone under 21 drink, so why would it be unreasonable to have an age limit on an assault rifle? They still have the right to possess other types of guns, so they're still able to bear arms. Don't soil your britches over this.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Well " kids" won't be shooting themselves anymore in school. They made a law! The end of Youth shootings in Illinois.


God what are the Amish youth going to do?

They can no longer walk down the road with their rifles!

I wasn't aware that assault-style weapons were popular among the Amish.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Maybe youths can still carry "assault style" weapons, but they must be colored pink until they're 21. Then they can go to Call of Duty rainbow sparkle colors.
 
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BSM1

What? Me worry?
I can't count the number of times I have heard on this forum that the Dem's do not want your firearms. Well guess that has just been found to be a false statement. Seems that the Illinois House just passed a law (65-41) that:
"Possession of assault-style weapons by anyone under 21 would be illegal under legislation that the Illinois House endorsed.

The plan sponsored by Democratic Rep. Michelle Mussman of Schaumburg would prohibit minors from buying or possessing high-capacity weapons, attachments, .50-caliber rifles and cartridges. They would have 90 days to transfer ownership."
Illinois House passes measure to raise assault-style weapon buying age to 21
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465

There's going to be quite a few weaponless solders in Illinois....just sayin'.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What a great bounty, get rid of them by your own free will....ASAP

Let the Governments one and all disarm and only keep enough weapons for a police force that will ensure the internal security of each country.

let an international force be set up that will be armed to ensure the security of the world as a whole.

If any rouge government arises after this, let the world one and all squash that government into submission.

There is no other way, keep your arms and face the consequences of this absurd hold on the pernicious influence of Liberty.

This solution was given over and over in the 1850's to 1890's.

Regards Tony
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
What a great bounty, get rid of them by your own free will....ASAP

Let the Governments one and all disarm and only keep enough weapons for a police force that will ensure the internal security of each country.

let an international force be set up that will be armed to ensure the security of the world as a whole.

If any rouge government arises after this, let the world one and all squash that government into submission.

There is no other way, keep your arms and face the consequences of this absurd hold on the pernicious influence of Liberty.

This solution was given over and over in the 1850's to 1890's.

Regards Tony

Thank you for your input. It's this type of thinking that makes me grip my weapon(s) that much tighter.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thank you for your input. It's this type of thinking that makes me grip my weapon(s) that much tighter.

No worries, they will be the death of you and America will suffer greatly because of this stance.

Thus I wish you always safe, always well and may all be good for you and your family.

Regards Tony
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
On a more serious note, I was thinking about how history has the tendency to repeat itself. Given all the talk about weapon bans coupled with stricter requirements, this sounds somewhat similar to
the disarming of the Wild West.

It makes me wonder if contentions were just as strong then as they are now.

And how far will the government take the issue of weapons, as we continue to progress in the future?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What a great bounty, get rid of them by your own free will....ASAP

Let the Governments one and all disarm and only keep enough weapons for a police force that will ensure the internal security of each country.

let an international force be set up that will be armed to ensure the security of the world as a whole.

If any rouge government arises after this, let the world one and all squash that government into submission.

There is no other way, keep your arms and face the consequences of this absurd hold on the pernicious influence of Liberty.

This solution was given over and over in the 1850's to 1890's.

Regards Tony
It's something that government's are more pro-gun than the NRA ever would be.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If it comes to that I plan on having company.

You will not have time to point your weapon. Sky scrapers may fall like cards, Cities may evaporate, such is the mentality of those with weapons that think they will save them.

This Interview says it all to the inventor of Gunpowder;

INTERVIEW WITH MR. HUDSON MAXIM.

Mr. Short remaining.

Mr. Hudson Maxim, scientist, inventor and expert upon explosives, was then announced. He entered.

Abdul-Baha. "Welcome! Welcome! Very welcome!"

Hudson Maxim. "I am glad to hear you speak English."

A. B. "My life has been spent in the Orient where foreign languages are seldom used. Otherwise I would have acquired English. Language is the great barrier between nations. When thoughts are interchanged destinies become one. All languages are difficult of acquirement for the real language is deeper than the outer words."

H. M. "Are you speaking in Turkish?"

A. B. "In Persian. I also speak Turkish and Arabic; Turkish is very difficult. In the East it is thought that acquiring Turkish is equivalent to the study of three other tongues."

H. M. "I understand you are a messenger of peace to this country. What is your opinion about modern war? Shall the great nations maintain armament and defenses as a guarantee or warrant against war? [presenting papers]. Here is an article I have written upon this subject. Shall the nations have an international police navy which protects and insures peace in the world, or shall they disarm and have no navies?"

A. B. "Everything that prevents war is good."

H. M. "Christ said He came to make war. Caesar was great in history because he was great in battle and military skill."

A. B. "We have the history of the world for nearly six thousand years. Before that there is no record. During these six thousand years there has been constant war, strife, bloodshed. We can see at a glance the results, achievements and outcomes of war. The history of warfare and strife is known, the effect apparent. Have we not a sufficient standard of experience in this direction? Let us now try peace for awhile. If good results follow, let us adhere to it. If not let us throw it away and fight again. Nothing will be lost by the experiment."

H. M. "Evolution has now reached a period in the life of nations where commerce takes the place of warfare. Business is war, cruel, merciless."

A. B. "True! War is not limited to one cause. There are many kinds of war and conflict going on, political war, commercial war, patriotic and racial war; this is the very civilization of war."

H. M. "Do you consider the next great national war necessary?"

A. B. "I hope your efforts may be able to prevent it. Why not try peace for awhile? If we find war is better, it will not be difficult to fight again; but if we find that peace is the glorification of humanity, the impulse of true civilization, the stimulus to inventive genius and the means of attainment to the good-pleasure of God, we must agree to adhere to it and establish it permanently."

H. M. "There is much newspaper talk about the United States fighting Japan. There is no prospect of it whatever. We don't want to kill good customers. Commercial energy is more profitable to us. Competition of commerce is as severe, trying and as cruel as wars of olden time. Science has made war expensive; so expensive it don't pay to fight. We make more money by being peaceful, so long as the other fellow keeps quiet and sticks to business. If an English navy came over here and bombarded New York a week they would injure themselves more than us. The expense of ammunition and equipment would cost a great deal more than the damage inflicted by their guns and shells. You are right in advocating peace. I am an advocate of peace from another standpoint. I would make war so expensive that the nations could not afford to fight and therefore would agree to maintain peace."

A. B. "The product of human invention, genius and the outcome of human disposition to kill and fight have well-nigh reached their limit. It seems as if the art of war could not be carried further. In ancient times when nation fought against nation, probably one thousand would be killed in battle, the expense would not be great, the outcome of victory decisive and final; but in modern times the science of war has reached such a stage of perfection that in twenty-four hours one-hundred-thousand could be sacrificed, great navies sent to the bottom of the sea, great cities destroyed in a few hours. The possibilities are incalculable, inconceivable, the after effects even more dreadful than the initial shock. In Egypt, the fellaheen who till the Nile banks, gather four or five harvests from the soil. Suppose they are called away from their peaceful pursuits, take up arms, expend their possessions for powder and go to war. The first consequences are grievous enough, but the after-results are even more deplorable. The country suffers beyond all power of estimation; agriculture is crippled, abandoned, sustenance fails, poverty and suffering continue long afterward. Furthermore, how many wars there have been in the Orient during past centuries; war and peace in constant succession; but your country America remained unaffected by them or their consequences. The news of war might reach Europe and America long after it had happened. But all this is changed in the present century. As soon as war is declared in any part of the world, all human attention is directed toward it; commerce and the machinery of nations are paralyzed; the whole world thrown into a condition of grave uncertainty. Therefore it is evident that the time has come to end war and establish peace. This is an exigency and requirement of the present century."

H. M. "Fewer are killed in modern engagements than in the battles of ancient times; the range is longer and the action less deadly."

A. B. "How about the war between Japan and Russia?"

H. M. "Less men are killed in war in a year now than are killed by our industries through preventable accidents."

A. B. "War is the most preventable accident."

H. M. "The short sword was more deadly in battle than the quick-firing gun, for the reason that massed men come together in hand-to-hand conflict and the slaughter was fearful. At Mukden two-hundred and fifty-thousand soldiers retreated without loss. In ancient times many thousands would have been overtaken and killed. War is no more dangerous now than automobiling."

A. B. "History shows that in war between the Roman and Persian Empires extending over a period of twenty years, in which one-hundred thousand men were engaged upon each side, only five or six thousand were killed. In modern warfare there are bombs which kill men like stripping leaves from a tree. An Egyptian general who had served in war against England was accused of cowardice at a meeting in Syria. He asked those present, 'Have you ever seen an English shell? When you see one explode among troops you will be excused for defeat and cowardice.'"

H. M. [Making diagram.] "The effect of a bomb is not so great as expected. Most of its force is expended upward into the air. It is impossible to mass men close enough to it for a full utilization of its energy. If its explosive energy could be expended in the right direction, it would do plenty of killing."

A. B. "The greatest intelligence of man is being expended in the direction of killing his fellow-man. The discovery of high explosives, perfecting of death-dealing weapons of war, the science of military attack, all this is a wonderful manifestation of human intelligence; but it is in the wrong direction. You are a celebrated inventor and scientific expert whose energies and faculties are employed in the production of means for human destruction. Your name has become famous in the science of war. Now you have the opportunity of becoming doubly famous. You must practice the science of peace. You must expend your energies and intelligence in a contrary direction. You must discover the means of peace; invent guns of love which shall shake the foundations of humanity.

The guns you are now building cause the death of man; you must build guns which will be the cause of life to humanity. Henceforth your life and energy should be given to this blessed purpose. You must work and experiment along this line. This work and accomplishment will be more wonderful than all you have done heretofore. Then it will be said by the people of the world, this is Mr. Maxim, inventor of the guns of war, discoverer of high explosives, military scientist, who has also discovered and invented means for increasing the life and love of man; who has put an end to the strife of nations and uprooted the tree of war. This will be the most wonderful accomplishment of any human being. Your name will glow with mention throughout the history of ages and ages. Then will your life become pregnant and productive with really great results. Consider this: the inventor of high explosives has discovered the means of universal peace; an active worker in the science of war has become a factor in the assembly of love! Then will your name be recorded in the pages of history with a pen of gold. No man in history will equal you in fame and greatness. You will be doubly renowned. God will be pleased with you and from every standpoint of estimation you will be a perfect man."

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It's something that government's are more pro-gun than the NRA ever would be.

Wisdom is required. the population do not need guns.

I was 3 years in the AU army as a Soldier.

Guns were easy to give up, Australia did not go far enough either.

Regards Tony
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
On a more serious note, I was thinking about how history has the tendency to repeat itself. Given all the talk about weapon bans coupled with stricter requirements, this sounds somewhat similar to
the disarming of the Wild West.

It makes me wonder if contentions were just as strong then as they are now.

And how far will the government take the issue of weapons, as we continue to progress in the future?

What specific history has repeated itself?

The death of many Americans due to gun violence year after year or the tyrannical US government subjugating its citizens?

Well, there was a time in the civil rights movement where armed non-civilians shot unarmed civilians that were marching. And I believed that was fixed not by guns but by actual discussion.

Anything else you can mention?
 
I can't count the number of times I have heard on this forum that the Dem's do not want your firearms. Well guess that has just been found to be a false statement. Seems that the Illinois House just passed a law (65-41) that:
"Possession of assault-style weapons by anyone under 21 would be illegal under legislation that the Illinois House endorsed.

The plan sponsored by Democratic Rep. Michelle Mussman of Schaumburg would prohibit minors from buying or possessing high-capacity weapons, attachments, .50-caliber rifles and cartridges. They would have 90 days to transfer ownership."
Illinois House passes measure to raise assault-style weapon buying age to 21
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465

They want to do what hitler did, take all the guns.
 

wheatpenny

Quaker/Independent Catholic (dual affiliation)
They're not banning guns, they've just raised the minimum age to buy certain types of guns. It's no different than when Hawaii raised the minimum age for smoking to 21 or when all the states increased the drinking age to 21. You can still do it, you just have to wait a couple more years.
This is not even close to taking people's guns.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I can't count the number of times I have heard on this forum that the Dem's do not want your firearms. Well guess that has just been found to be a false statement. Seems that the Illinois House just passed a law (65-41) that:
"Possession of assault-style weapons by anyone under 21 would be illegal under legislation that the Illinois House endorsed.

The plan sponsored by Democratic Rep. Michelle Mussman of Schaumburg would prohibit minors from buying or possessing high-capacity weapons, attachments, .50-caliber rifles and cartridges. They would have 90 days to transfer ownership."
Illinois House passes measure to raise assault-style weapon buying age to 21
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465
Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of HB1465

And your under 20 and 6 months and own high-capacity weapons, attachments, .50-caliber rifles and cartridges. If you do you have the right to complain with the 100 or so other people it effects
 
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