Easter versus Passover? Which is of God? Which is of Satan?

[12jtartar]

Neither is of the Father. Star alignments were of astrologers. The stars having to align to celebrate or recreate a former event is a pagan belief. Same with birthdays.

Phantasman,
No Follower of God or Jesus looks to the stars or moon or any other heavenly body to try to look into the future or explain things by the stars or planets.
God gave the sun and the moon especially to determine time, Genesis 1:14-18. The Passover was on the day that the Israelites came out of Egypt. The Passover was always on the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. That is the same date that Jesus died as a Ransom Sacrifice for all who would put their trust in him
Ester is a pagan holiday and has nothing at all to do with Jesus. Is is moved to suit the money grubbing markets, to the nearest Sunday. The Sabbath was always on a Saturday. Exactly what does the egg have to do with Jesus? Eggs were used by the Babylonians as a symbol of fertility, and most pagan beliefs came from old Babylon. Christians are to have nothing to do with paganism, 1Corinthians 10:20-22, 2Corinthians 6:14-16.

Easter versus Passover? Which is of God? Which is of Satan?

The high holy Sabbaths of the LORD are a time schedule with respect to the “awesome day of the LORD”, which will be in conjunction with the millennium, such as the 7th day of the week. The feast of Easter, formally defined at Constantine’s convened Council of Nicaea, in 325 A.D. is in conjunction with him setting the day of rest, as the 8th day of the week, the day of his sun god, Sol Invictus, which is Sunday, which is in conjunction with the “eighth day”, the day after the 7th day of the feast of Unleavened Bread.

(Leviticus 23:36) On the feast of the “eighth day”, following the Feast of Booths" “an offering by fire” is required by the “LORD”. Being that feast is called the “Last Great Day”, one would think that that fire would be the “lake of fire”, which is dedicated for use by Satan and his followers, with special accommodations made for the devil, the beast and the false prophet (Revelation 20:10)

Passover is based on a lunar calendar, and Easter is based on a solar calendar. Yeshua was buried in the evening of the 14th of Nissan, on the 4th day of the week. The 5th day of the week, Friday, would be the 15th of Nissan, a high holy Sabbath, the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The grave was empty on the evening of the 7th day of the week, prior to the 1st day of the week, which dawns/starts on the evening of the 7th day of the week (John 20:1). The sign of Jonah is 3 days and 3 nights. Yeshua was not buried on the 6th day of the week (Friday), and raised 1 day and 2 nights afterward. .

You might want to take more care with the festivals of God, for they are the flow chart for the “day of the LORD”, which is just behind the door. (Mt 24:33).

New American Standard Bible Leviticus 23:36
'For seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the LORD. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation and present an offering by fire to the LORD; it is an assembly. You shall do no laborious work.

 

[Phantasman]

Phantasman,
No Follower of God or Jesus looks to the stars or moon or any other heavenly body to try to look into the future or explain things by the stars or planets.
God gave the sun and the moon especially to determine time, Genesis 1:14-18. The Passover was on the day that the Israelites came out of Egypt. The Passover was always on the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. That is the same date that Jesus died as a Ransom Sacrifice for all who would put their trust in him
Ester is a pagan holiday and has nothing at all to do with Jesus. Is is moved to suit the money grubbing markets, to the nearest Sunday. The Sabbath was always on a Saturday. Exactly what does the egg have to do with Jesus? Eggs were used by the Babylonians as a symbol of fertility, and most pagan beliefs came from old Babylon. Christians are to have nothing to do with paganism, 1Corinthians 10:20-22, 2Corinthians 6:14-16.

How do you measure a year or a date? By the planets place in orbit, or by where the stars are at any given moment. Neither has anything to do with spirituality. It's just a collective physical phenomenon designed by man as divisions of time. Time is not allotted to God or spirituality. It's a measure of reference. Nothing more. Jesus rose so many millions of sunrise to sunsets ago. Wait 365 sunrise to sensets, and the stars will be in the exact same position.

The Gregorian calendar was created through this process. Christ taught no rituals, nor times to observe anything.

 

[pearl]

. Exactly what does the egg have to do with Jesus?

. Exactly what does the egg have to do with Jesus?

As the egg is a symbol of new life it ought to be obvious why it is associated with the celebration of Easter.

 

[metis]

As the egg is a symbol of new life it ought to be obvious why it is associated with the celebration of Easter.

It also is symbolic of Jesus in the tomb, whereas when one cracks the egg, "Jesus" is "resurrected". I wonder if we should them refer to him as "Eggland's Best"?

 

[pearl]

It also is symbolic of Jesus in the tomb

Never heard of that one.

 

[metis]

Never heard of that one.

Yep, and that's no yoke.

[should I stop now because this is no shell game?]

 

[pearl]

[should I stop now because this is no shell game?]

ok you got me

 

[metis]

ok you got me

But actually the egg/Jesus/resurrection symbolism I did not made up, nor did I mean it to be funny-- I just get carried away at times.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Easter is observed on the pagan festival of Ishtar/Astarte, the queen of heaven/mother of god. It has nothing to do with Passover.

There are no 12 tribes of Jewish people. Jew is a term referring to Judah. The house of Judah and the house of Israel have been separated a long long time. The “house of Judah” (Jeremiah 31:31), the Jews, refer to the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The “house of Israel” remains “scattered among the nations” (Ezekiel 36:24-27).

The “beast” of Revelation 13:1, has 7 heads and 10 horns, and the heads have blasphemous names, and only 4 of those heads refer to the kingdom of Rome, which would include Western Europe. As for Pharisee Paul, he is simply the “false prophet”, who was to help the 7th head of the beast to “deceive” “those who dwell on the earth” (Revelation 13:14), and to help a “daughter of Babylon” (Zech 2:7), the Roman church, to wear down the saints of the Highest one”(Daniel 7:25). In the present, Paul's demon spirit, the spirit of the false prophet, is being used to gather the kings of the whole world to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:13-16). That location is somewhat north of Jerusalem. One of their goals would be to "wipe out" the "nation" of "Israel" (Psalms 83) & (Zechariah 14:1-3).

Many of we Jews can tell you what tribe we're from. Please don't hold to replacement theology. And the nations who seek Israel to have a lock on the Mediterranean and the petroleum don't need Paul or even read Paul! The kings of the east are pagan or atheist!!!

 

[2ndpillar]

Many of we Jews can tell you what tribe we're from. Please don't hold to replacement theology. And the nations who seek Israel to have a lock on the Mediterranean and the petroleum don't need Paul or even read Paul! The kings of the east are pagan or atheist!!!

I am thinking that according to the traditions of the Jews/Judah, which is limited mostly to Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, they only know what religion their mothers belong to. That would not address who their fathers are. As for the "house of Israel"/Israel/Ephraim (Hosea 5:11-6:3), they have been "scattered among the nations" (Joel 3:2) & (Ezekiel 37:24), and will only be revived after they "acknowledge their guilt and seek My face" (Hosea 5:15). Israel knows nothing about their heritage, and will have to be "hunted down" (Jeremiah 16:16) and "doubly repaid" for their "iniquity" (Jeremiah 16:18).

 

[2ndpillar]

How do you measure a year or a date? By the planets place in orbit, or by where the stars are at any given moment. Neither has anything to do with spirituality. It's just a collective physical phenomenon designed by man as divisions of time. Time is not allotted to God or spirituality. It's a measure of reference. Nothing more. Jesus rose so many millions of sunrise to sunsets ago. Wait 365 sunrise to sensets, and the stars will be in the exact same position.

The Gregorian calendar was created through this process. Christ taught no rituals, nor times to observe anything.

King James Version Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Christ taught no rituals, nor times to observe anything.

He did, by sovereign act of authorisation (and example), just like in the beginning God through the Son acted the ONE Promise of his Sacrifice for sin AND the Rest of God by the Son having Resurrected "on the Seventh Day". Hebrews 1 to 4 // Genesis 1 to 3.

Sacrifice and Resurrection on the Seventh Day, "made the Sabbath Rest-Day" of the LORD and Jesus "the Lord's Day". "If then JESUS gave them rest, for the People of God stays valid resting / keeping / observing the Sabbath" [ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς], or, in the words of Paul, "Feast of Sabbaths weekly ad infinitum [ἑορτῆς ἢ νεομηνίας ἢ σαββάτων]".

Likewise also of course, because it is "the Lord's Supper".

TWO 'rituals' if you insist calling them so.

 

[2ndpillar]

He did, by sovereign act of deed (and example), just like in the beginning God through the Son acted the ONE Promise of his Sacrifice for sin AND the Rest of God by the Son having Resurrected "on the Seventh Day". Hebrews 1 to 4 // Genesis 1 to 3.

Sacrifice and Resurrection on the Seventh Day, "made the Sabbath Rest-Day" of the LORD and Jesus "the Lord's Day". "If then JESUS gave them rest, for the People of God stays valid resting / keeping / observing the Sabbath" [ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς], or, in the words of Paul, "Feast of Sabbaths weekly ad infinitum [ἑορτῆς ἢ νεομηνίας ἢ σαββάτων]".

Likewise also of course, because it is "the Lord's Supper".

TWO 'rituals' if you insist calling them so.

Now you are confusing me. I thought you were a "Christian", and therefore believed on the resurrection being on the 8th day. Maybe you could clarify, and tell us where you are coming from?

 

[Phantasman]

King James Version Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

You see physical bread.

John:
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Turning spiritual gnosis into physical. That's why it remains a mystery.

Mark:
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Why would Jesus say his flesh was important if the "flesh profits nothing"? He was talking of the knowledge (of the spirit) that he brought.

John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Without spiritual gnosis you follow the catholic ideology.

Gospel of Philip:
"Before Christ came, there was no bread in the world, just as Paradise, the place were Adam was, had many trees to nourish the animals but no wheat to sustain man. Man used to feed like the animals, but when Christ came, the perfect man, he brought bread from heaven in order that man might be nourished with the food of man. The rulers thought that it was by their own power and will that they were doing what they did, but the Holy Spirit in secret was accomplishing everything through them as it wished. Truth, which existed since the beginning, is sown everywhere. And many see it being sown, but few are they who see it being reaped."

You eat when the priests say to eat. That's a ritual.

 

[Phantasman]

He did, by sovereign act of deed (and example), just like in the beginning God through the Son acted the ONE Promise of his Sacrifice for sin AND the Rest of God by the Son having Resurrected "on the Seventh Day". Hebrews 1 to 4 // Genesis 1 to 3.

Sacrifice and Resurrection on the Seventh Day, "made the Sabbath Rest-Day" of the LORD and Jesus "the Lord's Day". "If then JESUS gave them rest, for the People of God stays valid resting / keeping / observing the Sabbath" [ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς], or, in the words of Paul, "Feast of Sabbaths weekly ad infinitum [ἑορτῆς ἢ νεομηνίας ἢ σαββάτων]".

Likewise also of course, because it is "the Lord's Supper".

TWO 'rituals' if you insist calling them so.

The OT is not gospel. Hebrews author is unidentified, and written by a catholic sympathizer. It's the only NT book glorifying the priests.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Now you are confusing me. I thought you were a "Christian", and therefore believed on the resurrection being on the 8th day. Maybe you could clarify, and tell us where you are coming from?

If that would make any difference to God's Word.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

There is a difference in how we define 'literally'. The literal truth contained in the three day motif is as Lapide explained it and as the Sacred Writers used it from the same sources, Hebrew Scripture.
Their purpose was not to give a chronological history, but a faith history. The Resurrection is first and foremost what God did for Jesus, he vindicated him.

Without its 'chronological history' or historicity of actual occurrence in the life of the historic Jesus, the 'literal truth contained in the three days' written about throughout the Scriptures, would be worthless nonsense and no 'faith history', not even pathetically weak 'faith history'.

 

[pearl]

historicity of actual occurrence in the life of the historic Jesus,

Do you think that an historian followed Jesus and wrote down everything he ever said? The Gospels are testimonies in faith, a faith not realized during the life of Jesus, it is a post resurrection faith. The Apostles left an oral tradition not a written record of all that Jesus said.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Do you think that an historian followed Jesus and wrote down everything he ever said? The Gospels are testimonies in faith, a faith not realized during the life of Jesus, it is a post resurrection faith. The Apostles left an oral tradition not a written record of all that Jesus said.

You say it: 'it is a post resurrection faith.' What Jesus did and said happened for real before anyone wrote a 'record' of anything. No one who wrote a thing that is written in the New or Old Testament for that matter, 'left an oral tradition' of man, but The, God inspired, factual actual historic real truth. Then if it pleased God, men believed -- believed what IS, written. Faith comes by hearing and hearing was of factual truth.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I am thinking that according to the traditions of the Jews/Judah, which is limited mostly to Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, they only know what religion their mothers belong to. That would not address who their fathers are. As for the "house of Israel"/Israel/Ephraim (Hosea 5:11-6:3), they have been "scattered among the nations" (Joel 3:2) & (Ezekiel 37:24), and will only be revived after they "acknowledge their guilt and seek My face" (Hosea 5:15). Israel knows nothing about their heritage, and will have to be "hunted down" (Jeremiah 16:16) and "doubly repaid" for their "iniquity" (Jeremiah 16:18).

The actual payment is seven times, not double:

Prophecy Fulfilled: Israel Becomes A Nation In 1948