Creation vs evolution

[JustWondering]

Well so far that's how it's turns out.
I've presented many question, but yet to get answer back on them. I'll ask again.

In the book of Matthew 24:5, Jesus speaking of temple buildings, said there shall not be one stone left upon another.

But yet over in Israel the Jews calls a wall that is part of the tempel building, The Wailing Wall.
Now here's the question, What happens that brings this temple wall down, to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus given, there shall not be one stone left upon another.

Here I'll even make it a little more easier.
The answer to this is found in the books of Revelation;11, Acts 1, Matthew 24,

By this will show just how much Christians do know their bible better than anyone else.

Here's another question, in the book of
Mark 13:17, What does Jesus mean by --"But wow to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"

Now this takes place during what Jesus calls the Tribulation. So what does Jesus mean by this ?

The atheists you are debating don't except your bible as an authority on any subject. They consider it ancient mythology.

 

[JustWondering]

Pleeeease tell me you're trolling...

 

[JustWondering]

No actually, all anyone has to do, is look at their tires on their car and know if there is any air in them or not. That's totally Common Sense.

By your logic even by looking at the tire on the car, plainly shows that it's totally flat, but yet you would check it just to make sure it is totally flat, even though the evidence plainly shows it's flat.

If I look at my tire and it's sitting on the ground being totally flat. I wouldn't have to check to see if it's flat, the evidence would plainly tell me its totally flat, by the tire of my car setting on the ground.

But I guess in your case, you can't tell whether or not if a tire is flat or not. You would have to check to make sure it is flat.

Do you also check your tires to make they do have air in them, since you can't tell if there flat or not ?

Checking your tires, even by just looking at them, sounds like a test. I thought you against testing things? Now here you are talking about evidence and everything.

 

[shunyadragon]

Well so far that's how it's turns out.
I've presented many question, but yet to get answer back on them. I'll ask again.

In the book of Matthew 24:5, Jesus speaking of temple buildings, said there shall not be one stone left upon another.

But yet over in Israel the Jews calls a wall that is part of the tempel building, The Wailing Wall.
Now here's the question, What happens that brings this temple wall down, to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus given, there shall not be one stone left upon another.

Here I'll even make it a little more easier.
The answer to this is found in the books of Revelation;11, Acts 1, Matthew 24,

By this will show just how much Christians do know their bible better than anyone else.

Here's another question, in the book of
Mark 13:17, What does Jesus mean by --"But wow to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"

Now this takes place during what Jesus calls the Tribulation. So what does Jesus mean by this ?

This does not remotely address the question of Creation versus evolution. Very, very off topic. Start a thread and we will address it,

 

[Darkstorn]

I know when you hear man in a sentence, you automatically jump to the human man of flesh and blood. But this is not the man that I'm in reference to.

Oh yes. Your imaginary friend, the "celestial man."

 

[JustWondering]

Hey what goes around comes around.

You support your claim for evolution and I support my claim by the bible.

Unto which you can not accept.
Unto which I can not accept evolution as a fact.

But his support for evolution includes logic, reason, and evidence. Your evidence for the validity of the bible boils down to you saying that it must be true, period, that's it. You're going to need logic and evidence to convince atheists of anything.

 

[JustWondering]

Ok, so please do tell, there has been evidence found to support the Bible, but yet people can not except it.

What evidence? This is news to me.

 

[Darkstorn]

What evidence? This is news to me.

Consider this: He thinks there is evidence for celestial men living with dinosaurs 6.5 million years ago.

I think he's one of "those people" who think thoughts = evidence.

 

[JustWondering]

You expect me to believe, that you came from the ape, that is a change. You can not change you into a man, but can change the ape into you. Now that is evolution.
In that sense I do agree.

Humans are apes, not all apes are human. Like German Shepards and miniature Poodles are both canines who share a common canine ancestor. All poodles are canines but not all canines are poodles. Do you understand?

 

[Milton Platt]

Well so far that's how it's turns out.
I've presented many question, but yet to get answer back on them. I'll ask again.

In the book of Matthew 24:5, Jesus speaking of temple buildings, said there shall not be one stone left upon another.

But yet over in Israel the Jews calls a wall that is part of the tempel building, The Wailing Wall.
Now here's the question, What happens that brings this temple wall down, to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus given, there shall not be one stone left upon another.

Here I'll even make it a little more easier.
The answer to this is found in the books of Revelation;11, Acts 1, Matthew 24,

By this will show just how much Christians do know their bible better than anyone else.

Here's another question, in the book of
Mark 13:17, What does Jesus mean by --"But wow to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"

Now this takes place during what Jesus calls the Tribulation. So what does Jesus mean by this ?

Why should anyone care about bible quotes???????????
You have all of your work ahead of you.....FIRST, provide empirical evidence that your particular version of the Christian god exists, THEN demonstrate that it can do the things you say it can do, THEN provide empirical evidence that your god actually had anything to do with the stories in the Bible. Once you have cleared all those hurdles, we can discuss the Bible.

Waiting for evidence (as have people for thousands of years)..................

 

[Milton Platt]

One fact to Refute evolution.

For those who believe in the theory of evolution.
Why did evolution have to be tested, to know whether it's true or not.

To test something, that means it's not true, until it's tested to show it's true.

This why Christians don't have to test the bible all because Christians already know the Bible is true

Where as evolution had to be tested, to find if it's true or not true.

That's like going to take a test, you take a test to show if your qualified or not.

Therefore to test the theory of evolution, is to see if it's qualified or not.

That means evolution wasn't qualified, from the start.until it took the test.

Where as the bible did not have to take any test to be qualified, The bible was qualified right from the start.


Therefore Christians do not have to test the bible to see if it's qualified, We already know that the Bible is qualified.

I have refuted your original post and asked you numerous times if you agreed with my rebuttal, and if not, then to present counter arguments. You have not. People have since effectively rebutted all of your other arguments, which have been increasingly off your own initial topic (whether the Bible needs to be tested as all other things need to be tested). After reading many of your irrational posts and finding you unwilling to actively engage anyone on the very topic you started the thread with, I must assume you are either simply not interested in having a rational discussion based upon reason and factual information, or you do not know how.. It makes one wonder what you are doing on this site. What is your purpose here? Why are you bothering to spend time posting nonsensical things?
I have had many, many discussions with theists who were far more rational than you seem to be,.

 

[blü 2]

Scholars can say whatever they may want to say, but will it line up to what the Spirit of the word will say ?

But that leads straight back to the question I asked you ─ how can anyone tell what the Spirit really says?

The evidence seems very strong that the Spirit tells different people different things.

And it's equally strong that the Spirit very usually tells people what they wanted to hear.

A person may say whatever they may want, and what stops them, showing themselves that whatever they may say, doesn't line up to what the bible will say. But then that will hardly stop them.

Correct me if I've misunderstood you, but didn't you say that you couldn't rely on what the bible said unless it agreed with what the Spirit said?

But then people who don't have no knowledge or understanding of the bible will say anything.

I'm not a believer, but I'm not wholly uninformed about what the bible says. Relevantly to this conversation, it says all kinds of contradictory things.

For example, it says that there are many gods and Yahweh is the foremost of them. It even specifies Chemosh as another real god. Later it says there's only one God.

It says that God tells lies. Then it says he doesn't. It says (and this must be true of a monogod) that he creates evil, and then it says he doesn't.

It says God in a tantrum once drowned every breathing thing bar a boatload; and afterwards realized that was a bad idea.

It says he orders invasive wars and conquest of lands, grand-scale pillage, massacres, mass rapes, human sacrifices, slavery and murderous intolerance.

The bible says (though not in as many words) that women are breeding cows, that's what they're for.

Then it says he's a god of pure love.

And so on and so on.

So what you have is, The blind leading the blind.

That problem is present at the source.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Why should anyone care about bible quotes???????????
You have all of your work ahead of you.....FIRST, provide empirical evidence that your particular version of the Christian god exists, THEN demonstrate that it can do the things you say it can do, THEN provide empirical evidence that your god actually had anything to do with the stories in the Bible. Once you have cleared all those hurdles, we can discuss the Bible.

Waiting for evidence (as have people for thousands of years)..................

First of all, you came to me first, changing the subject of what was being spoke of first.

Now if you Sir, want to change the subject, then you are called to provide evidence to back up your claim that the Christian God doesn't exist first.

Or are you always in the habit of wanting to change a subject without any evidence to support your claim on what your saying first.

If however the subject was about whether the Christian God exists or not.

Then you could haved had something, But that is not the case here, As the subject was not about whether the Christian exists or not.

But the subject was about the temple buildings in Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, if you wish to change the subject, then you Sir, are called to provide the evidence to back up your claim that the Christian God doesn't exist Sir.

 

[Milton Platt]

First of all, you came to me first, changing the subject of what was being spoke of first.
Now if you Sir, want to change the subject, then you are called to provide evidence to back up your claim that the Christian God doesn't exist first.

Or are you always in the habit of wanting to change a subject without any evidence to support your claim on what your saying first.
If however the subject was about whether the Christian God exists or not.
Then you could haved had something, But this is not the case, As the subject was not about whether the Christian exists or not.

But about the temple buildings in Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, if you wish to change the subject, then you Sir, are called to provide the evidence to back up your claim that the Christian God doesn't exist Sir.

Where is a reference in your original post about temple building?????
Here is your opening post:

One fact to Refute evolution.

For those who believe in the theory of evolution.
Why did evolution have to be tested, to know whether it's true or not.

To test something, that means it's not true, until it's tested to show it's true.

This why Christians don't have to test the bible all because Christians already know the Bible is true

Where as evolution had to be tested, to find if it's true or not true.

That's like going to take a test, you take a test to show if your qualified or not.

Therefore to test the theory of evolution, is to see if it's qualified or not.

That means evolution wasn't qualified, from the start.until it took the test.

Where as the bible did not have to take any test to be qualified, The bible was qualified right from the start.


Therefore Christians do not have to test the bible to see if it's qualified, We already know that the Bible is qualified.

You not only did not provide any facts that refute evolution, you tried to imply that the Bible did not have to have facts to support it as truthful. You merely stated that Christians know it is true. How do the know? Where is the empirical evidence to support the supernatural claims of the Bible? You cannot claim that belief in the Bible needs no empirical evidence for belief, and that evolution has to have evidence to support it. That is logically inconsistent.

So, please first offer the one fact that refutes evolution (you have thus far offered no fact to that end) and then respond to my refutation of your original post. I refuted each and every one of your premises.

I did not claim that your version or any of the thousands of other versions of a Christian god do not exist. I stated that you have not met your burden of proof that they do. I do not believe that claim for the same reason I do not think unicorns or dragons or fairies exist. The burden of proof lies upon the person claiming a thing exists. You have not met that burden of proof. My only claim is that I don't believe you without evidence.

But that is another discussion. Please, again, can you provide logical counter to my rebuttal of your original post??????????

#1Faithofchristian, Feb 18, 2018

 

[Faithofchristian]

I have refuted your original post and asked you numerous times if you agreed with my rebuttal, and if not, then to present counter arguments. You have not. People have since effectively rebutted all of your other arguments, which have been increasingly off your own initial topic (whether the Bible needs to be tested as all other things need to be tested). After reading many of your irrational posts and finding you unwilling to actively engage anyone on the very topic you started the thread with, I must assume you are either simply not interested in having a rational discussion based upon reason and factual information, or you do not know how.. It makes one wonder what you are doing on this site. What is your purpose here? Why are you bothering to spend time posting nonsensical things?
I have had many, many discussions with theists who were far more rational than you seem to be,.

First of all, when you approach people that are talking about one subject and then you cut in on the subject and want to change the subject at hand, then you are called to provide the evidence to support your claim first.
Therefore the subject at hand was not about whether the Christian God exists or not.

But about the temple buildings in Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, if you wish to change the subject at hand, then you Sir, are called to give evidence to support your claim, That the Christian God doesn't exist.

 

[Milton Platt]

First of all, when you approach people that are talking about one subject and then you cut in on the subject and want to change the subject at hand, then you are called to provide the evidence to support your claim first.
Therefore the subject at hand was not about whether the Christian God exists or not.

But about the temple buildings in Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, if you wish to change the subject at hand, then you Sir, are called to give evidence to support your claim, That the Christian God doesn't exist.

Here is your original post, which I refuted premise by premise. Please point me to the place where you mention a temple.
One fact to Refute evolution.

For those who believe in the theory of evolution.
Why did evolution have to be tested, to know whether it's true or not.

To test something, that means it's not true, until it's tested to show it's true.

This why Christians don't have to test the bible all because Christians already know the Bible is true

Where as evolution had to be tested, to find if it's true or not true.

That's like going to take a test, you take a test to show if your qualified or not.

Therefore to test the theory of evolution, is to see if it's qualified or not.

That means evolution wasn't qualified, from the start.until it took the test.

Where as the bible did not have to take any test to be qualified, The bible was qualified right from the start.


Therefore Christians do not have to test the bible to see if it's qualified, We already know that the Bible is qualified.

#1Faithofchristian, Feb 18, 2018

 

[Darkstorn]

First of all, when you approach people that are talking about one subject and then you cut in on the subject and want to change the subject at hand, then you are called to provide the evidence to support your claim first.

Oh, a bit like when you came into a thread about human evolution, openly made unsupported claims about men living with dinosaurs, and then tried to change the subject to those men not actually being men but "celestial men" and you refused to provide any evidence.

In fact, you claimed that it's the burden of proof of OTHERS. That they must prove you wrong. Now you're claiming that others need to provide evidence for THEIR claims?

Oh wait, i forgot, i have an even better example: Your OP in this very thread.

 

[shunyadragon]

First of all, you came to me first, changing the subject of what was being spoke of first.

Now if you Sir, want to change the subject, then you are called to provide evidence to back up your claim that the Christian God doesn't exist first.

Or are you always in the habit of wanting to change a subject without any evidence to support your claim on what your saying first.

If however the subject was about whether the Christian God exists or not.

Then you could haved had something, But that is not the case here, As the subject was not about whether the Christian exists or not.

But the subject was about the temple buildings in Jerusalem of Israel.

Therefore, if you wish to change the subject, then you Sir, are called to provide the evidence to back up your claim that the Christian God doesn't exist Sir.

The subject is neither of the above. The subject is Creation vs. evolution.

 

[Milton Platt]

The subject is neither of the above. The subject is Creation vs. evolution.

True..............

 

[Darkstorn]

How can he even forget his own subject like this? It's hilarious.