Predestinated ?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But the question is ?
How do you know, that God is dictating what we would do ?

Because you told us he was: you said that he "predestinated" us.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Predestinated, means, God predestinated us before the foundation of this world came to be, to be here in this world.

He predestined christians. Everyone else he did not. You cant predestined someones destiny to eternal life but contradict that plan unless the christian choses.

That means the salvation isnt by christ but by the christian.

So, its not for the world, its "for those who believe."

Thats predestined

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What you had given is talking about now.

That is not Predestinated.
Predestinated, Stands to mean, which is Pass Tense, meaning from a time before the foundation of this world ever came to be.
That we were with God, before the foundation of this world ever came to be.

Then God Predestinated us to be here in this world.

God pre- destined (already defined the place where christians would be in the future) by christ.

He did not predestined, say, a hindu. Unless they chose to believe, they are not "in the elevator." Realisticly, they cant profit from that which they have no terms under contract.

Yet, the bible also says, "there is no excuse."

So, god gave the option to be predestined. Not everyone took the option which means not everyone is.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Faithofchristian

Think of it this way:

God so loved the world (all people) that whoever believes in him (his chosen) Will have everlasting life.

That is predestination. The opposite is:

God so loved the world, so that all will have eternal life.

 

[Faithofchristian]

God pre- destined (already defined the place where christians would be in the future) by christ.

He did not predestined, say, a hindu. Unless they chose to believe, they are not "in the elevator." Realisticly, they cant profit from that which they have no terms under contract.

Yet, the bible also says, "there is no excuse."

So, god gave the option to be predestined. Not everyone took the option which means not everyone is.

Predestinated is not future.
Predestinated is pass, not future.

Note the word ( before ) this means that God Predestinated ( us ) ( before ) the foundation of this world came to be.

So when God Predestinated us, this was way before Christians.

When God Predestinated us, this was way before the foundation of this world came to be, this means before Adam and Eve were created.

 

[dfnj]

Haha. You just reinvented the wheel of history in one post. Cliff notes.

It is well documented by biblical scholars there have been thousands of people involved in authoring the pages of the bible. I'm not making this up.

 

[dfnj]

Predestinated is not future.
Predestinated is pass, not future.

Note the word ( before ) this means that God Predestinated ( us ) ( before ) the foundation of this world came to be.

So when God Predestinated us, this was way before Christians.

When God Predestinated us, this was way before the foundation of this world came to be, this means before Adam and Eve were created.

Contrary to your delusions, and omnipotent God does know the future and every choice you will ever make.

 

[Ponder This]

God having Predestinated us.
Before the foundation of this world ever came to be.
What does "Predestination" mean to you ?

Maybe it does not have meaning... at least not any meaning that we can make sense of.

If time didn't exist yet, then perhaps, neither did causality.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Predestinated is not future.
Predestinated is pass, not future.

Note the word ( before ) this means that God Predestinated ( us ) ( before ) the foundation of this world came to be.

So when God Predestinated us, this was way before Christians.

When God Predestinated us, this was way before the foundation of this world came to be, this means before Adam and Eve were created.

Reread my post. I broke it down for you:

Pre- before (reread my post)

Destined (determined future)

The future was already pre determined by god.

God loved the world

He "sent" his only son

So whosoever (does then till now) belives (no -d) in him Will have everlasting life.

The predetermined place is: everlasting life
He set this destination before/already/in the past
It is only available those who believe (his elect)

Those who do not, "will" not be saved.

Its common sense. You cant benefit from an offer already made unless you take the gift so it will benefit you in the future.

Get it?

Read the posts

 

[Faithofchristian]

Contrary to your delusions, and omnipotent God does know the future and every choice you will ever make.

Ok let me ask you this, Free will, does come from God right.
That means God also has free will, since Free will comes from God.

That means God can and does by his free will, choose not to know things before they happen.

Just because he's God, doesn't mean God can't choose not to know about things before they happen.

You make it sound like God has no choices in the matter to choose.
Whether God wants to know or doesn't want to know about things.

There are times God choose not to know about things before they happen.
And the bible will prove that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is well documented by biblical scholars there have been thousands of people involved in authoring the pages of the bible. I'm not making this up.

Reinventing the wheel means taking something in the past thats already been played out and "re" inventing it so that the events are unneededly need to be played out again.

For example, we already have threads on predestination. Its already docummented in RF's "log". The OP is reinventing the wheel on an old topic in which the results we seen had been already played out.

I was pocking light that your statement reinvented online an event already played out: we already experienced the aftermath of thisbtopic. Why "reinvent" the wheel.

Its an english idiom.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Maybe it does not have meaning... at least not any meaning that we can make sense of.

If time didn't exist yet, then perhaps, neither did causality.

We can make sense of it.

Time didn't exist back before this world that we live in came into existence.

But then we were with God, before the foundation of this world came into existence.
Now that will totally blow your mind.
To say, we were with God before the foundation of this world came into existence.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Reinventing the wheel means taking something in tbe past thats already been played out and "re" inventing it so that the events are unneededly need to be played out again.

For example, we already have threads on predestination. Its already docummented in RF's "log". The OP is reinventing the wheel on an old topic in which the results we seen had been already played out.

I was pocking light that your statement reinvented online an event already played out: we already experienced the aftermath of thisbtopic. Why "reinvent" the wheel.

Its an english idiom.

That's because before the foundation of this world came into being.

We were with God, Then God predestinated us before the foundation of this world came into existence, that thru Adam and Eve we would come, being born again of flesh and blood thru Adam and Eve.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Reinventing the wheel means taking something in the past thats already been played out and "re" inventing it so that the events are unneededly need to be played out again.

For example, we already have threads on predestination. Its already docummented in RF's "log". The OP is reinventing the wheel on an old topic in which the results we seen had been already played out.

I was pocking light that your statement reinvented online an event already played out: we already experienced the aftermath of thisbtopic. Why "reinvent" the wheel.

Its an english idiom.

There may haved been previous threads about predestinated in RF, but that was before I came here, so I wouldn't know anything about it.

 

[socharlie]

God did not Predestinated what world to become, But God Predestinated (us) to be in this world, ( before ) the foundation of this world ever came to be.

That means, that we were with God ( before ) God Predestinated ( us ) to be here in this world.

of course God has a wish for the world, it will become so , may be not in details but generally.
imo, human souls existed before this - material- world came about and material world came to exist because of human souls.

 

[InChrist]

I believe the scriptures indicate that anyone who places their faith in Christ has been predestined by God to be conformed to the image of Christ.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Dont worry, everything has been reinvented on this site. I cant think of any subjects we havent touched on and people been here for more years than me!

That's because before the foundation of this world came into being.

We were with God, Then God predestinated us before the foundation of this world came into existence, that thru Adam and Eve we would come,

I learned about predestination years ago when chat rooms were popular. The guy told me why would god chose people who dont chose him. So, in that sence, the elect are those who have chosen god and god said yes. The non elect are anyone who has not chosen god so he has not choice us.

Its a too way view. The play on content is that him chosing you is interconnected with you chosing him. Also, the gentleman told me he rather be a slave to god. He didnt agree with free will.

Which makes sense. Why would a christian want free will when it only gives him a way out to sin?

And why would he think hes a robot for being a slave to god?

Obedience and love go hand in hand in dogmatic (good word) religions. Free will is like saying "but I WANT to choose whats right for me."

Ego mostly. Me first not god first.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Dont worry, everything has been reinvented on this site. I cant think of any subjects we havent touched on and people been here for more years than me!


I learned about predestination years ago when chat rooms were popular. The guy told me why would god chose people who dont chose him. So, in that sence, the elect are those who have chosen god and god said yes. The non elect are anyone who has not chosen god so he has not choice us.

Its a too way view. The play on content is that him chosing you is interconnected with you chosing him. Also, the gentleman told me he rather be a slave to god. He didnt agree with free will.

Which makes sense. Why would a christian want free will when it only gives him a way out to sin?

And why would he think hes a robot for being a slave to god?

Obedience and love go hand in hand in dogmatic (good word) religions. Free will is like saying "but I WANT to choose whats right for me."

Ego mostly. Me first not god first.

Well I can see your not making no sense. Your double talking yourself.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well I can see your not making no sense. Your double talking yourself.

I learned from gentleman that god only chose those who chose him.

That makes sense because why would god chose people who dont want to believe in him; everyone would be saved. No need for christ.

He mentioned he rather be a slave to god. That makes sense too. If you are not a slave to god, you want to have a role in your salvation. If you are completely obedient, it is no longer about you (no ego) but only about god.

This is how I would see predestination as per your OP. Explain your comment.

It can be taken in many ways.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I believe the scriptures indicate that anyone who places their faith in Christ has been predestined by God to be conformed to the image of Christ.

But when did Predestination take place ?
Note that God chosen us before the foundation of the world.
This means, that before the foundation of this world ever came into being, God chosen us. That means we were with God before the foundation of this world ever came into being.