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Predestinated ?

dfnj

dfnj

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Faithofchristian said:
God having Predestinated us.
Before the foundation of this world ever came to be.
What does "Predestination" mean to you ?
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Our omnipotent God knew exactly what was going to happen to the apple in the garden with a naked woman prancing about.
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Since this is in scriptural debates, does anyone have a Bible quote or something to throw out about this for us to look at?
 
Grandliseur

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
dfnj said:
The "holy inspired scriptures" are wrong because they were written by men just like you and me.

God is omnipotent.

The concept of "sin" and an omnipotent God cannot coexist. If God is omnipotent, sin is totally invented by men pretending to speak for God.
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When people only accept their own opinions and not the authority of scripture, anything goes.
Once scripture is the authority some semblance to order may be achieved; however, even so, we have much disagreements because of the large number of denominations.

If you abandon the concept of sin, you abandon the ransom of Christ. Those who do this have little hope of salvation. Of course, since Jesus is the judge, all get paid back their works. Perhaps some have things that excuse them one could hope.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I do not believe in predestination.... it is illogical.
I do not believe in the absolute accuracy of the scriptures.
I do not worship the Bible, I worship God.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
socharlie said:
God's natural order among humans works with help of adept system. Melchizedek.
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You can only believe that if you also believe everything in the Old Testament points to Christianity.
"Adept systems" implies special knowledge.
God does not require the help of humans to achieve anything.
 
socharlie

socharlie

Active Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
You can only believe that if you also believe everything in the Old Testament points to Christianity.
"Adept systems" implies special knowledge.
God does not require the help of humans to achieve anything.
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not for God but for humans:
"For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
 
dfnj

dfnj

Well-Known Member
Grandliseur said:
When people only accept their own opinions and not the authority of scripture, anything goes.
Once scripture is the authority some semblance to order may be achieved; however, even so, we have much disagreements because of the large number of denominations.
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There have been so many people involved in the translations and interpretations of scripture it IS anything goes. That's the problem!

Grandliseur said:
If you abandon the concept of sin, you abandon the ransom of Christ. Those who do this have little hope of salvation. Of course, since Jesus is the judge, all get paid back their works. Perhaps some have things that excuse them one could hope.
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Nonsense. A God of unconditional love doesn't have to have conditions in order to love. An omnipotent God could certainly save everyone regardless of what men claim to be "sin". If God were so concerned about sin He would be more involved policing bad behavior. I think people just like judging other people pretending to be God. It makes them feel Holy-than-thou and Powerful. I don't think God is the business of torturing people so other people can feel better about revenge for sins. As far as I can tell, God is indifferent to our sins.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Carlita said:

Its a play on context.

God chose a specific group of people he would save
To be a part of that group, you have to choose christ
To those who do not chose christ

Are not the ones he has chosen to save.
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Maybe you need to define, what Predestinated means ?

There's no play on context.
 
dfnj

dfnj

Well-Known Member
I think predestination means our omnipotent God knows every choice you are going to make in your life before you even make it. So God already knows how you will be "judge" assuming God actually judges what he already knows.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Faithofchristian said:
Maybe you need to define, what Predestinated means ?

There's no play on context.
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It is not a bad thing. Not everything is verbatum in the bible. Believe me, if thats true, we would be dead.

God chose you to be saved
God did not choose buddhist john to be saved

He chose "his people" not people individually

As such, if you are not part of his people, you are not saved.

God choses whoever he wants to save by already setting up what group and whoever wants to join, is saved, who doesnt is not. Its common sense, I'll say that instead.

Like the amount of people in an elevator. Only X amount of people are allowed. Most people want to take the stairs. More exercise. Those who use the elevator, are chosen. Those who do not, are not.

It is a play on words (aka its meaning based on context not content). If you choose, you saved. If not, your not. Got chose the saved. Its up to you to be his "chosen" or not.

Without predestination (pre-defining ones destination/place), anyone could be saved. He has to draw a limit by saying "his chosen people." If youre not in that limit, youre not saved.

Those who dont believe they are predestined to be saved, may think that they will be saved just by being here. They are god's children but arent predestined until one physically choses christ.
 
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