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Galatians 3:13

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Let's try and take this one step at time.What Paul is talking about in
Galatians 3:10--"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: For it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them"

There rose up certain sect of the Pharisees, saying, that is was needful to circumcised the Gentiles, and to command them to keep the law of Moses, This being the book of the law. Acts 15:3-5

To have the Gentiles to Circumcised themselves, which would be nothing wrong in that, But when a certain sect of the Pharisees said that the Gentiles should keep the law of Moses. This where Paul and Peter and the other disciples drew the line at.

Then Peter stood up and said unto them all, "Men and brethren, you know how that a good while ago God made choice Among Us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe. And God, which knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us: and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt you God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear. But we believe that through the grace Of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they" Acts 15:7-11.

Therefore it is not needful for the Gentiles to keep the law of Moses, to be saved.

The law of Moses, is what is called in the Bible, The book of the law.
This is the book of the law, which Paul is speaking about in Galatians 3:10.

There are many things that Moses had written down in the book of the law, That if they were not done precisely as Moses had written them down,Then there's a Curse for not following them precisely as Moses had written them down.

Let's take for instance the sacrificial lamb offering, If it was not done precisely as Moses had written it down, then there's a Curse for not following the instructions of Moses, As how the sacrificial lamb offering is to be done, in the book of the law.

Therefore if people wish to have their male children circumsized, there's nothing wrong in that. But to say, because they are circumcised that now they must keep the law of Moses, That's over stepping the line, What Paul and Peter and the other disciples sat down.

Christ Jesus came to redeemed us from the curse of the book of the law, Where as the book of the law, was our school-master
But after Christ Jesus has come, we are no longer under the school- master, The book of the law of Moses.

But for those who wish to place themselves under the book of the law of Moses, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the Curse: For it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the to do them"
Galatians 3:10.

Therefore if those things in the book of the law of Moses are not done precisely as Moses had written them down, then there's a Curse for them, who do not follow what Moses had written down precisely.
I find the longer the reply, the less it seems like on step at a time.
Proverbs 10:19
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
The law itself is not the curse, it is breaking the the law, any of the law, that brings the curse of death or separation from God. So Paul was saying that to be under the law or those who try to live and please God by keeping the law is being under a curse because no one can keep all the law perfectly.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” Galatians 3:10

Christ took the curse upon himself (hanging on the tree). You have to continue reading, not just Galatians 3, but Galatians in it's entirety. Paul is speaking of the "false gospel" delivered to the Galatians. Thre whole of Galatians is Paul telling them that they (Gentiles) should not follow the false gospel and it should be cursed. He is explaining why the Gentiles do not have to follow the OT ways of circumcision, law and diets. This was the emerging catholic ideology of joining the Gospel to Judaism. Paul called the law a schoolmaster. And said we don't have to follow the schoolmaster (law) any more.

Galatians 3:
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Since Christ came, it is our faith in the one who took the curse away, Christ, that saves us by following him instead.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The law was given by angels, not God. So it sufficed "till the seed should come". What is the seed that should come?

The Word, brought by Jesus Christ. It overpowered the law (of angels).

Luke 8:
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Do you mind putting this in a different way? Only because I find your wording here hard to process. I am sorry :(
That's okay. I realize my posts can be confusing at times. :confused: It's no surprise others find it difficult to comprehend me. I'll try to be make it as plain as possible.

The argument you made in your previous post is that according to the context of verse 22; maybe we should understand that it is only those who have committed a sin worthy of death that will be accursed when they hang on a tree.

What I was saying in response is that in Deuteronomy 21:22-23 the quotation "for he that is hanged is accursed of God;" is actually not the main point of the passage. The main point of the passage seems to be that they shouldn't leave the body hanging for more than one day.

Therefore, the part where the writer mentions the fact that they are accursed is only an explanation giving the reason why they shouldn't leave the body hanging there all day and night.

Furthermore, the verse does not even tell us why those who are hung on a tree are more accursed than criminals who were not hung on a tree.

So in conclusion; the fact they are accursed of God is not necessarily because they committed sins but because they were hung on a tree. You were saying that they are accursed because they committed sins. On the other hand the actual text seems to be saying they committed sins and therefore they are hung on a tree; so that they will be especially accursed. So, the text seems to indicate that hanging on a tree made them accursed.

In other words, hanging someone on a tree was a way of especially dishonoring a particularly bad criminal. So the connotations for Jesus are obvious. He's taking the most dishonorable death in the Torah becoming sin who knew no sin so that we may be made the righteousness of God in Him.

I really hope I'm clearer this time. If not let me know.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God

Unless this is referring to the one hanged and not the act. Eh- details, details... ;)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
It wasn't "Gods" law. It was Moses law. Ezra started the law of god, and many followed, losing site.
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached,...
Romans:
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from....
3; 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Spirit is capitalized (Spirit of truth, Holy Spirit)

Right it was God's Law. The temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law covenant or contract was for only one Nation, the nation of ancient Israel. Jesus was the end of that Law as per Romans 10:4.

From the Greek/English Interlinear does Not captialize God's spirit with a upper-case letter 's'.
Just as God's spirit is Not capitialized at Psalms 104:30.
Just as God's spirit is Not capitialized at Numbers 11:17,25 where God's spirit is in lower-case 'it.'
The spirit of God has No upper-case 's' found at Job 27:3.

The ' deeds' of Romans 2:6 are ' spiritual deeds ' (James 2:26) which include Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Unless this is referring to the one hanged and not the act. Eh- details, details... ;)

Yes, details, details as found at Acts of the Apostles 2:23 ..... taken, and by wicked hands ' slain '. ( the act )
Acts of the Apostles 5:30 and Acts of the Apostles 10:39 uses the word ' slew ' ( the act )
I think Galatians 3:13 is referring to the ' act ' of the Law as found at Deuteronomy 21:22-23 to put to death by hanging on a tree. ( the act ).
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Unless this is referring to the one hanged and not the act. Eh- details, details... ;)
It's a valid point; you could read it that way. But, I believe Paul has the correct reading because they singled people out for this particular punishment on special occasions. It looks to me that it was used to especially dishonor someone's memory. They now had the curse of God. And we can see throughout the old Testament how certain people end up hung on a tree. You have some of the Canaanite kings that attacked Israel. Then you have Absalom* the son of David who started a rebellion. He actually hung himself by his hair on a tree by accident before Joab killed him ... Judas hangs himself.

BTW, I did not do this emoji ;) on purpose. I copy pasted that scripture passage here and the forum interpreted it as an emoji.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Does the law itself state that is it's purpose, or is this a New Testament inference? I'm trying to figure out with this thread if the New Testament indeed faithfully represents the Hebrew scriptures in matters like this. The law itself doesn't say it's purpose is to reveal everyone as a sinner incapable of keeping it- that I can recall anyhow... _________________________________________
What happened to all that stuff about the law being a delight?
Psalm 119:47 How I delight in your commands! How I love them!
If the law is a curse, David doesn't seem to have been aware. The commands of the law positively thrilled him.

What I find recorded at Exodus 20:19 is: ..... let Not God speak with us, lest we die. (fear they would die )
Fear they would die because the law showed then up to be sinners. No one, except Jesus, could keep that law.
In other words, only Jesus proved to be sinless. If they or us could stop sinning we would Not die.
Since we can't stop sinning we die, and we can Not resurrect oneself or another, so that is why we need someone who can resurrect us. Sinless Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18.

I would say it was Un-faithfull Jerusalem ( in the year 70 ) who did come under God's curse - Matthew 23:38.
That corrupted religious ' house ' of worship was abandoned by God.
Today we should be more concerned about the description of Jesus ' cursing ' (so to speak) the figurative haughty ' goat class ' of people mentioned at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:41.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Yes, details, details as found at Acts of the Apostles 2:23 ..... taken, and by wicked hands ' slain '. ( the act )
Acts of the Apostles 5:30 and Acts of the Apostles 10:39 uses the word ' slew ' ( the act )
I think Galatians 3:13 is referring to the ' act ' of the Law as found at Deuteronomy 21:22-23 to put to death by hanging on a tree. ( the act ).

One issue though. You're using the New Testament to present me an argument, when I'm trying to determine if the Christian scriptures cite the Hebrew Bible correctly. I am asking you to argue from the Hebrew Bible and it's immediate context :)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
One issue though. You're using the New Testament to present me an argument, when I'm trying to determine if the Christian scriptures cite the Hebrew Bible correctly. I am asking you to argue from the Hebrew Bible and it's immediate context :)

I find Deuteronomy 21:22-23 is from the Hebrew Scriptures:
A man worthy of death should be put to death by hanging on a tree, which both Galatians 3:13 and Acts of the Apostles 5:30 mentions punishment as hanging on a tree. Not on a cross or a pole with a crossbeam attached.
King James Bibles translates what is a stake or a pole as cross, so the translation into English added the cross bar.
The Romans often did mass executions, so to add a cross piece to a pole or state would have been costly time-consuming extra work and certainly not necessary.
 
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