QuestioningMind
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That the God of the bible is not a God worthy of anyone's worship.
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If you have read the bible, what primary lesson did you learn?
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That the God of the bible is not a God worthy of anyone's worship.
Seems as if Jesus taught otherwise at John 4:23-24.
God made a promise to a man named Abraham at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 that ALL families of Earth will be blessed,
and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed through Jesus that there will be healing for earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2. 'Enemy death' will be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
So, by the ^ above ^ I can't see why someone would Not think the God of the Bible is Not worthy of worship.
QuestioningMind
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Because elsewhere in the bible this same god condones slavery and genocide, both of which are highly immoral practices. I cannot worship a highly immoral being, regardless of whether or not He claims that ALL families of the Earth will be blessed. Personally I can't understand why anyone would worship such a horrendously immoral being.
First of all, the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law was only for one nation: the nation of ' ancient ' Israel.
I can't find anything wrong with Leviticus chapter 19's instructions.
Israel was Not in the highly immoral 'slave-trade business' as was the southern United States.
A person was in slavery in order to pay off debts, but in that position for No more than six (6) years.
They were to be treated like hired help as per Leviticus 25:39-40.
What do you find wrong with the Jubilee Years ______________
It is only the wicked who are destroyed forever as per Psalms 92:7.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
"A person was in slavery in order to pay off debts, but in that position for No more than six (6) years.
They were to be treated like hired help as per Leviticus 25:39-40."
Of course that ONLY applied to fellow Jews who were indentured servants. And there's a loophole in which you can trick your indetured servant into becoming your slave for life.
But none of that changes the fact that elsewhere there are very specific rules laid out for enslaving non-believers. How much you should pay for them, that you could keep them forever and even pass them on to your children as property. It even indicates that it is perfectly okay to beat your slaves, as long as they don't die from the beating within a couple of days. This is a God that is SUPPOSED to be moral, condoning the owning of other people as property. Owning other people as property... being allowed to beat other people as long as they don't die soon thereafter... is NOT moral behavior. Any God that doesn't explicitly forbid slavery is not a God worthy of my worship.
Why do you ONLY focus on what it said about owning other believers and NOT what it says about owning nonbelievers? The nonebleivers were NOT indutured servants... they were SLAVES, JUST LIKE the slaves we kept in America prior to the Civil War. Claiming otherwise is denying what your own bible explicity states.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
That non-believers are going to burn, but God and Jesus aren't going to lay a finger on them,
74x12
Well-Known Member
I think we're supposed to learn that to fear God and keep His commandments is the whole duty of man.
Prometheus85
Active Member
I learned that it It advocates prejudiced, cruelty’ superstition, and murder.
Derek500
Wish I could change this to AUD
Which version? Catholic, one of the many Protestant Bibles, Eastern Othodox, Ethiopian?
The text is psychological not informational.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Yes, it is. Cruelty is never justified.
He sucks at maintaining order if he must be cruel and wrathful to do so.
Serenity7855
Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
Jesus and God to be the same being? Absolutely not.
Serenity7855
Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
Have you not heard of tough love. It is a method used worldwide by good parents to raise their children.
If you think he sucks than it would be interesting to know what standard you base your opinion on? It seems like there is nobody that you can compare Him with.
The events in scripture that may be considered as cruel, by those unfamiliar with them, are usually a case of ignored warnings that result in the promised consequence. You cannot blame God for the decisions of man. Bang your head against a brick wall and you are certain of getting a headache.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Tough love is letting your children live with the consequences of their actions. It is not drowning them because they aren't behaving. It also allows for questions, and demands answers that do not revolve around "just because." Tough love is about choices, and is not an authoritarian "my way or the highway."
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
No, because not even Zeus or Joffrey Baratheon were so cruel and malicious.
Very much, wherefore doth thee useth such a wretched translation?
Serenity7855
Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
You may not know it, but you are, of course, very wrong. The only difference here is the circumstances and the diference between reality and a principled allegory. The exemplum you refer to entailed the most wicked and evil people that can be imagined. God had warned them many times to change their wicked ways or to suffer the consequence. They ignored Him. If the plan of salvation was going to succeed than they had to comply. There was no choice. They did not heed the warnings and their reward was their removal from the earth, a clean slate, so to speak. The persistently naughty child would be reprimanded, and in extreme cases, they would require professional intervention to insure that the child complies to an acceptable level of behaviour. The principle is the same.
But you seem to believe that this excellent exemplum was in fact a reality and not a principle for us to follow and learn from. How do you know that God actually drowned those evil people, if they even existed. Like me, you obviously were not there and science dictates that it is unlikely that a flood ever took place, so what makes you think that the Bible is a factual Historical Record and not a book of commandments, principles, allegories and parables intended to prepare us to meet God. It seems like you are taking a principle from scripture and turning it into an unsubstantiated fact in order to fit your objections to the reality of God. The New Testament is not even chronologically correct so why do you assume that it is historically correct instead of a instruction manual for those who have come to know God, the eternal Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ.
Serenity7855
Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
You speak of fictitious characters where as God Lives
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Nothing my eye, Something for sure
For in as much as it hath been forced upon me.