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The Messiah Rejected by All

Phantasman

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We never dismiss or elude anything to be logical, it is all evidence to what people believe, where ideas come from, and has prophetic contexts.

The problem is Paul contradicts Christ on well over 36 points, and almost every tenant of the belief system...

The most fundamental point tho, is that Yeshua challenged the Sanhedrin for murdering the prophets as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19)...

Thus the idea Paul is teaching jesus came to die, is totally off the rails, and doesn't understand the prophets or Law, as it defiles it in multiple places, and anyone naive enough to follow Paul also shows they have very low moral standards.

The Gospel of John tho having a Gnostic slant to its ideologies, also contradicts Yeshua on over 31 points in the Synoptic Gospels; it also makes this faulty idea God pre-meditatively sent Yeshua to die as a sin sacrifice, which is Balaam teachings, as God doesn't require sacrifice.

There are two Gospels, there is Yeshua's in the Synoptic Gospels which is a living Gospel of doing the work of God, will make it Heaven on earth, and then there is a dead Gospel by the pharisees, they've murder the Messiah, so we can all get free atonement, which they've made up after his death.

This is all prophetic tho, with John and Paul fulfilling specifically some of the concepts prophesied as the deception, to set a snare to remove the ravenous/bloodthirsty, who are not worthy of the Messianic age.

In my opinion.
:innocent:

I find a problem in understanding with your post, especially the 36 points. You see the word christ (being used) as Jesus. You see it as the orthodox present the word, and the ensuing difficulty in getting the true image. This is what I see.

Jesus became "the" Christ. The first. The word Christ means "accepting the chrism". This acceptance is what is the baptism of fire, being born of spirit (while flesh dies). Jesus became Christ just as we become christs, sons of God and not sons of man.

Pauls words using christ is exactly the same as the Gospels, if you read them with spirit (chrism). The gnosis the orthodox rejects carries on this thought. The OT never had this knowledge. John 6, 8, 10.

It all comes together depending on how you approach it. It's right to be to be troubled by what one reads. But the answer is a promise given, if one seeks it. If you ask a man, you'll get a mans answer.

(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."- Gospel of Thomas

Jesus words will never fade away. But they may be hidden (by men) as Paul and Jesus himself has alluded to. And this include outside the box (of the man made bible).

It's a simple choice, really. Where do you place your trust (to find what you seek)? Being led by man, or by Spirit?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
you don't find that for the Buddha> Indra was king of the gods?
I've not read all Sutra yet... So haven't even come across anything mentioning such a hierarchy, and would reject such concepts from everything i've found about Buddha's comprehension so far.

Can understand in Hindu texts Indra is the 'king' of the Avatars, and that Buddha would've respected the local customs; yet i do not see reality like that, hierarchies are a man-made concept, as are kings.

Buddha rejected the 'self' orientated religions of old, and so to say he respected an idolistic approach to theology, is the exact opposite of everything i understand about him.

If you have text to substantiate such ideas, please share and will read them; also going to read up on Indra more, and get better comprehension of these things.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You see the word christ (being used) as Jesus.
Christ means anointed one, and all prophets, kings, and then Christians were originally anointed with the holy anointing oil (Exodus 30:23-24); now most reject the anointing oil contains cannabis (Kaneh Bosem), and that they're meant to have this.

Yeshua was a specific reference in Isaiah 52:14 which has an additional yod on the word blemish making it anointed, and Daniel 9:26 also about the Messiah.
Jesus became "the" Christ.
That seems an outside approach to the riddle presented in knowing the text....

Yeshua Elohim is prophesied to come down here in Isaiah 52:10, 'we shall physically see the salvation of God' (Isaiah 52:13) 'appearing in the form of a son of man'.

YHVH shall become Yeshua - H3444 + H1961 = Exodus 15:2-3, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2

We shall see Yeshua = H3444 + H7200 = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10
Jesus became Christ just as we become christs, sons of God and not sons of man.
We already are this according to the Biblical text, without anything to do with Yeshua coming down here... Psalms 82:6 says 'we're all Elohim and children of the Most High'.

We can not become 'The Christ' as there is only one King specified as ambassador, and that same being is One across the religious texts.

Though we can all have the holy anointing oil, with some becoming like seers of old, and also use it to heal when made properly.
Where do you place your trust (to find what you seek)? Being led by man, or by Spirit?
As an arch angel I've been guided to know many things, and at 5 years old knew the corruption in the religious texts as an energy pattern; yet it is useless having none logistic wishy washy beliefs, without evidence to back up the statements for other people to understand.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Christ means anointed one, and all prophets, kings, and then Christians were originally anointed with the holy anointing oil (Exodus 30:23-24); now most reject the anointing oil contains cannabis (Kaneh Bosem), and that they're meant to have this.

Yeshua was a specific reference in Isaiah 52:14 which has an additional yod on the word blemish making it anointed, and Daniel 9:26 also about the Messiah.

That seems an outside approach to the riddle presented in knowing the text....

Yeshua Elohim is prophesied to come down here in Isaiah 52:10, 'we shall physically see the salvation of God' (Isaiah 52:13) 'appearing in the form of a son of man'.

YHVH shall become Yeshua - H3444 + H1961 = Exodus 15:2-3, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2

We shall see Yeshua = H3444 + H7200 = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10

We already are this according to the Biblical text, without anything to do with Yeshua coming down here... Psalms 82:6 says 'we're all Elohim and children of the Most High'.

We can not become 'The Christ' as there is only one King specified as ambassador, and that same being is One across the religious texts.

Though we can all have the holy anointing oil, with some becoming like seers of old, and also use it to heal when made properly.

As an arch angel I've been guided to know many things, and at 5 years old knew the corruption in the religious texts as an energy pattern; yet it is useless having none logistic wishy washy beliefs, without evidence to back up the statements for other people to understand.

In my opinion. :innocent:
You are an archangel?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You are an archangel?
Born as a son of man.... Yet in my NDE it confirmed what always known since birth...

It wasn't the point tho, it was just based on some of the data i've had is mind blowing in comparison; yet it doesn't mean it can be relayed to people, without logistically showing where this exist in their presuppositions.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
It is believed there are 3 visitation/incarnations of the Saoshyant;

If you're getting this belief from Zoroastrian scripture then 'citation needed', I'm afraid.


within the Pazand it is presented that Mazda wants to bring Oneness, yet struggles, and thus there is a cleansing of mankind later...

No, he doesn't want to bring 'Oneness' (whatever that is); that's just you projecting your beliefs on to Zoroastrianism like you do with so many other faiths. Mazda's short term plan was to trap Angra Mainyu (Regressive Mind) in this Universe with the long term view to destroying it.


It lays out an evolution of prophetic events climaxing in the fire which washes mankind; same happens in the Bible prophets.

With drastically different outcomes; the Bible views the fire as a punishment for sins unredeemed. Zoroastrianism views the fire as a cleansing device for purifying the soul of any lingering traces of Regressive Mind.


The virgin Mary would have been aware of Essene cleansing; though really they are both metaphors for an enlightened teacher being born of a virgin.

This just makes it sound like Christians plagiarised the Zoroastrian prophecy for their own ends.


This is where Preterist get confused, as there is a whole Biblical timeline of things that all happen before the age of Godliness, yet people miss the interlinking contexts.

None of which is pertinent since the Bible is not Zoroastrian scripture.


Same then applies with Saoshyant, and since we haven't seen any mass movements other than Yeshua's, then it is most likely, he'd be the earlier incarnation referred to.

In my opinion. :innocent:

No, sorry. You don't get to retrofit Jesus into this prophecy because it's convenient to you. It specifically says the Saoshyant will be born of Zarathustra's seed. Jesus was Jewish; not Bactrian or Median or Aryan or whatever Zarathustra was.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
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The Emperor of Mankind

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