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The Messiah Rejected by All

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
With most of Christianity following the Pharisees John, Paul and Simon the stone (petros), which contradict Yeshua within the Synoptic Gospels.

Muslims are meant to be following the Quran, and yet many ignoring the Psalms, Prophets and Synoptic Gospels which it told us to accept.

Baha'i creating an alternate Messiah figure who didn't even noticed the false texts or prophet statements warning about it.

Many Jews thinking the whole thing is a joke; yet miss that the joke is on them according to the prophets.

Some Hindus not recognizing that Yeshua is an Avatar of Shiva, and is part of their prophetic fulfillment.

Some Zoroastrians not recognizing that Yeshua is one of the early incarnations of the Saoshyant; which is why the Wise-men fetched frankincense, gold, and myrrh in accordance with their customs.

Buddhist not recognizing that when we remove the false texts, Yeshua and Buddha taught nearly the same thing.

Now understandably as Yeshua pointed out here is near Hell, and therefore people don't really want to accept the teachings given by the divine; they'd rather follow each other and argue over which incarnation of the divine is superior, when they're all the same thing... :confused:

Yet seriously doesn't it even worry you that this isn't optional; we either accept the Messiah or we're going to be kicked out of reality pretty soon, according to most eschatology?

Doesn't it even make you curious, that the whole world could be so easily deceived not to follow something, that many claim to be following?

Plus lots of other questions, that find don't make any sense, other than that demons don't want to be in an age of Godliness, as they really think they know best... :oops:

So please feel free to expand this topic in any direction of confusion on each religious context, and will explain any understanding missing.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
With most of Christianity following the Pharisees John, Paul and Simon the stone (petros), which contradict Yeshua within the Synoptic Gospels.

Muslims are meant to be following the Quran, and yet many ignoring the Psalms, Prophets and Synoptic Gospels which it told us to accept.

Baha'i creating an alternate Messiah figure who didn't even noticed the false texts or prophet statements warning about it.

Many Jews thinking the whole thing is a joke; yet miss that the joke is on them according to the prophets.

Some Hindus not recognizing that Yeshua is an Avatar of Shiva, and is part of their prophetic fulfillment.

Some Zoroastrians not recognizing that Yeshua is one of the early incarnations of the Saoshyant; which is why the Wise-men fetched frankincense, gold, and myrrh in accordance with their customs.

Buddhist not recognizing that when we remove the false texts, Yeshua and Buddha taught nearly the same thing.

Now understandably as Yeshua pointed out here is near Hell, and therefore people don't really want to accept the teachings given by the divine; they'd rather follow each other and argue over which incarnation of the divine is superior, when they're all the same thing... :confused:

Yet seriously doesn't it even worry you that this isn't optional; we either accept the Messiah or we're going to be kicked out of reality pretty soon, according to most eschatology?

Doesn't it even make you curious, that the whole world could be so easily deceived not to follow something, that many claim to be following?

Plus lots of other questions, that find don't make any sense, other than that demons don't want to be in an age of Godliness, as they really think they know best... :oops:

So please feel free to expand this topic in any direction of confusion on each religious context, and will explain any understanding missing.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Almost nothing you say worry me since it appears that your NDE-s have caused you to move into a parallel plane of existence. It's difficult to detect anything happening in reality here that matches with what you usually say. Maybe you should log in to the internet of your own realm of existence? ;)

In my opinion. :smilingimp:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Almost nothing you say worry me since it appears that your NDE-s have caused you to move into a parallel plane of existence.
As saying will explain where there is any confusion...

So here read the list of things that have happened in my life; the NDE only confirmed I'm an Avatar, which knew since 4 years old without any outside knowledge of the religious subject.

A lot my knowledge came before assessing the texts properly, and can now logistically explain many points within it, as prophesied will happen.

Yet this topic isn't about me, and if the best way you can think to dismantle an argument is by undermining the person, that doesn't actually work.
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Maybe you should log in to the internet of your own realm of existence?
If you're unaware Kalki comes to explain to people before Mahapralaya, with advanced knowledge of the religious texts (3:26 Kalki Purana)...

So by all means our realm of existence shall be all that remains after it, i personally do not find it fair to do so without first trying to explain to everyone these things are soon to take place.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
As saying will explain where there is any confusion...

So here read the list of things that have happened in my life; the NDE only confirmed I'm an Avatar, which knew since 4 years old without any outside knowledge of the religious subject.

A lot my knowledge came before assessing the texts properly, and can now logistically explain many points within it, as prophesied will happen.

Yet this topic isn't about me, and if the best way you can think to dismantle an argument is by undermining the person, that doesn't actually work.
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If you're unaware Kalki comes to explain to people before Mahapralaya, with advanced knowledge of the religious texts (3:26 Kalki Purana)...

So by all means our realm of existence shall be all that remains after it, i personally do not find it fair to do so without first trying to explain to everyone these things are soon to take place.

In my opinion. :innocent:
You should do what is in front of you now. Be kind to the poor, amiable to friends, helpful to neighbors and strangers. Plant a tree. Adopt a stray. Give gifts to orphans. Do not be misled by your experiences and arrogate for yourself the responsibility for the fate of the world.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Yeshua is everywhere. He is in the hearts of everyone. Not just some from a certain religion.
Some people will attemp to block His spirit, and it seems to me that all the religions you mention attempt to assist the people in connecting to this spirit of goodness. My experience is only the Abrahamic religions, so I will comment that from my observations that these fail miserably. imoo_O

Don’t worry about demons, or hell, or bad people. Don’t worry if you’re following the millions:p of do’s and don’ts of religion.
You are obviously aware of the words of Yeshua. Your only questions to yourself should be: Am I following His example? Am I connecting to Him? Am I loving Him and loving the people I come in contact with?
You have His word. Many people don’t. But it doesn’t matter if they don’t, as long as they are loving God and their fellow humans. It’s not as complicated as the religions want to make you think.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Do not be misled by your experiences and arrogate for yourself the responsibility for the fate of the world.
At 4/5 years old i've been told to do these things by Brahman, this isn't something we can escape, this is a job i've been asked to do on coming down here...

If i don't actually get people to pay attention, then no amount of me doing charitable acts will delay Satya Yuga being installed by force.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
With most of Christianity following the Pharisees John, Paul and Simon the stone (petros), which contradict Yeshua within the Synoptic Gospels.

Muslims are meant to be following the Quran, and yet many ignoring the Psalms, Prophets and Synoptic Gospels which it told us to accept.

Baha'i creating an alternate Messiah figure who didn't even noticed the false texts or prophet statements warning about it.

Many Jews thinking the whole thing is a joke; yet miss that the joke is on them according to the prophets.

Some Hindus not recognizing that Yeshua is an Avatar of Shiva, and is part of their prophetic fulfillment.

Some Zoroastrians not recognizing that Yeshua is one of the early incarnations of the Saoshyant; which is why the Wise-men fetched frankincense, gold, and myrrh in accordance with their customs.

Buddhist not recognizing that when we remove the false texts, Yeshua and Buddha taught nearly the same thing.

Now understandably as Yeshua pointed out here is near Hell, and therefore people don't really want to accept the teachings given by the divine; they'd rather follow each other and argue over which incarnation of the divine is superior, when they're all the same thing... :confused:

Yet seriously doesn't it even worry you that this isn't optional; we either accept the Messiah or we're going to be kicked out of reality pretty soon, according to most eschatology?

Doesn't it even make you curious, that the whole world could be so easily deceived not to follow something, that many claim to be following?

Plus lots of other questions, that find don't make any sense, other than that demons don't want to be in an age of Godliness, as they really think they know best... :oops:

So please feel free to expand this topic in any direction of confusion on each religious context, and will explain any understanding missing.

In my opinion. :innocent:

That seems consistent with man as fallen and needing a savior

see 'people believe scary lies' by Francis Chan says
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
As saying will explain where there is any confusion...

So here read the list of things that have happened in my life; the NDE only confirmed I'm an Avatar, which knew since 4 years old without any outside knowledge of the religious subject.

A lot my knowledge came before assessing the texts properly, and can now logistically explain many points within it, as prophesied will happen.

Yet this topic isn't about me, and if the best way you can think to dismantle an argument is by undermining the person, that doesn't actually work.
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Wait just a minute. That picture is only pertinent where a debate is taking place. In this thread you aren't debating; you're just proclaiming your beliefs and accusing anyone who challenges you of making personal attacks.

How much of the Zoroastrian Saoshyant myth have you actually read? I ask because 'Yeshua' doesn't actually fit any of the criteria. The story goes the Saoshyant will be born to a woman who hasn't experienced sex when she bathes in a pool of water and miraculously becomes impregnated with Zarathustra's seed. Yeshua is claimed to be born of a god mating with a mortal woman rather than a virginal woman bathing in water. Also, he lived and died, yet his life did not usher in any final renovation and the world has not been made perfect by Mazda. So that disqualifies Yeshua from being the Saoshyant.
 

Rough Beast Sloucher

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
Wait just a minute. That picture is only pertinent where a debate is taking place. In this thread you aren't debating; you're just proclaiming your beliefs and accusing anyone who challenges you of making personal attacks.

How much of the Zoroastrian Saoshyant myth have you actually read? I ask because 'Yeshua' doesn't actually fit any of the criteria. The story goes the Saoshyant will be born to a woman who hasn't experienced sex when she bathes in a pool of water and miraculously becomes impregnated with Zarathustra's seed. Yeshua is claimed to be born of a god mating with a mortal woman rather than a virginal woman bathing in water. Also, he lived and died, yet his life did not usher in any final renovation and the world has not been made perfect by Mazda. So that disqualifies Yeshua from being the Saoshyant.

In addition, the Saoshyant savior born of a virgin is not found in Zoroastrian literature until the Denkard in the 10th century AD.. Might as well say that the Zoroastrian belief is derived from Christianity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saoshyant
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Buddhism and Christianity have fundamentally different concerns @wizanda, with all due respect. Buddhism also believes things about the Buddha historically that are quite 'messianic' in their own right, if I can borrow a concept. It would require staking the Buddha against Jesus unless you rip out about 90% of the Bible. The Buddha would have thought that what the Hebrew scriptures say is abhorrent and inhumane. He would have thought the same about Christians half-heartedly agreeing with those things. The Buddha was simply @wizanda the good master we believe he was, and we are the movement we claim we are. Whatever Jesus may have meant, his followers have not used it to love everything and be non-violent. I'll agree that's what Jesus himself seems to have taught, but agreement of ethics isn't enough to show a meaningful connection. Most of humanity agrees on basic ethics because of Ultimate Reality and Buddha-nature. I don't think I'd be true to Buddhism to agree with the premises you want me to. For us, the Buddha was the fully enlightened and perfectly awakened one- who even knew every phenomena to minute details through the enlightened eye. For my school he was more than that. He was Vairocana, or Amida if you prefer, born into this world. This constitutes a rival claim to that of Christianity, and I seriously believe these things about the Buddha. I'm a traditional Buddhist that believes in the historical teachings and not some of this toned down for secularists stuff.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
I'll tell you @wizanda what about Jesus I don't reject, but that's all I can do. The Buddha is my Lord, quite frankly. I don't reject Jesus's message about non-violence. It was a good message.

However, the Buddha didn't teach that Buddhists are free to take whatever beliefs we want and think sound nice. He taught that people are free to choose Buddhism or not. The Kalama Sutta is not saying have buffet-style Buddhism, which many secularists take way out of context. The Buddha made VERY SPECIFIC and CLEAR claims about this order of things and reality.
 
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Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Buddhism is so serious about some of these claims @wizanda- and I'm saying this to stress to you how important truth is for Buddhists, not to condemn you> you can be reborn in a hell realm for wrong actions, which may be motivated by wrong belief.

For example, if you hate LGBT people. If you're cruel and torment them out of some Abrahamic worldview and hopped up self-righteousness, you WILL go to hell. Buddhism teaches that VERY SERIOUSLY. I cannot muddy up the Dharma because I might want to.

I cannot as a Buddhist tell anyone it's okay to muddle up Buddhism with the level of dualism the Abrahamic religions believe in- and look at the hateful fruit it often produces. The Buddha taught to hate no one. To see no one as other than your own same nature. To do nothing in hate. This is all serious stuff.

If you want to get serious about the Buddha, and I'm saying this out of all the goodness in me- you need to pay attention to this. The Buddha didn't teach anything like the dualism of the Bible. If you want to be serious ABOUT THE BUDDHA< this specifically, you need to take refuge in the Triple Gem and practice. I mean this with all good intent and seriousness.
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Yeshua is everywhere. He is in the hearts of everyone. Not just some from a certain religion.
Some people will attemp to block His spirit, and it seems to me that all the religions you mention attempt to assist the people in connecting to this spirit of goodness. My experience is only the Abrahamic religions, so I will comment that from my observations that these fail miserably. imoo_O

Don’t worry about demons, or hell, or bad people. Don’t worry if you’re following the millions:p of do’s and don’ts of religion.
You are obviously aware of the words of Yeshua. Your only questions to yourself should be: Am I following His example? Am I connecting to Him? Am I loving Him and loving the people I come in contact with?
You have His word. Many people don’t. But it doesn’t matter if they don’t, as long as they are loving God and their fellow humans. It’s not as complicated as the religions want to make you think.
To me, religions are like the "training wheels" of a bicycle. They give people a structure that for some is helpful. Many are now moving beyond that initial structure as you expressed here.

I would modify it a bit to include atheists. It's about the heart, not the mind. Even if someone does not intellectually agree or who rejects the concept of Divinity is on the right path if they accept the ethics of treating others with love/understanding/compassion and possibly trying to be of service to those in need.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
How much of the Zoroastrian Saoshyant myth have you actually read?
It is believed there are 3 visitation/incarnations of the Saoshyant; within the Pazand it is presented that Mazda wants to bring Oneness, yet struggles, and thus there is a cleansing of mankind later...

It lays out an evolution of prophetic events climaxing in the fire which washes mankind; same happens in the Bible prophets.
The story goes the Saoshyant will be born to a woman who hasn't experienced sex when she bathes in a pool of water and miraculously becomes impregnated with Zarathustra's seed.
The virgin Mary would have been aware of Essene cleansing; though really they are both metaphors for an enlightened teacher being born of a virgin.
Also, he lived and died, yet his life did not usher in any final renovation and the world has not been made perfect by Mazda. So that disqualifies Yeshua from being the Saoshyant.
This is where Preterist get confused, as there is a whole Biblical timeline of things that all happen before the age of Godliness, yet people miss the interlinking contexts.

Same then applies with Saoshyant, and since we haven't seen any mass movements other than Yeshua's, then it is most likely, he'd be the earlier incarnation referred to.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
................the best way ......................... to dismantle an argument is by undermining the person, that doesn't actually work.
[GALLERY=media, 8422][/GALLERY]

In my opinion. :innocent:
I didn't know that Socrates said this.
Thankyou very much.......
That happened to me on the Great Beings thread imo.

...not to be forgot.... :)
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
It would require staking the Buddha against Jesus unless you rip out about 90% of the Bible.
Well lets start from there, if you saw the reply to you explaining where we have to dissect Christian beliefs from where they are substantiated in the text...

Then you see at the start of this thread, i dissect that John, Paul and Simon are false with the evidence as linked threads; is like saying to you most of what you know about Christianity will be obscured by their false ideologies.

That when we assess what Yeshua said, we have to discern what are his teachings from within the synoptic Gospels, not what everyone else says about him.
The Buddha would have thought that what the Hebrew scriptures say is abhorrent and inhumane.
The idea the Buddha is in the past, when there is a Loka of Buddhahood, which is a place of infinite consciousness.

Yet agreed Buddha as most Avatars find what happened to Yeshua abhorrent; Revelation 5 says this same thing, that the 24 Elders/Avatars all praise the Lamb for his mission.
This constitutes a rival claim to that of Christianity, and I seriously believe these things about the Buddha.
Yeah i also understand Buddha to be an incarnation of Vishnu, and Yeshua an incarnation of Shiva, where is there a difference?

These are all part of the unmanifest universal mind without a name....

Buddha in the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra goes into concepts of recognizing the formless ultimate source, has no self, unlike Brahman which Hindus have encompassed Atman with Brahman, Brahman as having a self.

This is where Yeshua and Buddha both teach to be selfless, to be one with the divine.
The Buddha is my Lord, quite frankly.
Buddhi means the Enlightened aspect of the mind, where we're all capable of reaching it.
I cannot muddy up the Dharma because I might want to.
Dharma stems from the Source of reality; thus we can only mess up our own dharma through bad action (Karma).

Yeshua taught Dharma from the Source that is the point, the religious texts around him are not all Kosher; yet some lead to enlightenment.

Understanding the whole of the Bible as a tapestry created across time, can only lead to awareness of this realm we're within being Maya.
The Buddha didn't teach anything like the dualism of the Bible.
In Buddhism the reality is dissected into thirty one planes of existence, dividing the realms of the infinite minds, and the realms of evil inclinations; the Bible has the same thing.

There is only one reality, and different perspectives on the same thing.
look at the hateful fruit it often produces.
The Bible is meant to, we're down in a lower plain of existence where it is full of demons, who have no clue about enlightenment, and thus the Bible states within it, it is a way to catch them all in a snare for removal.
The Buddha taught to hate no one. To see no one as other than your own same nature. To do nothing in hate.
Yeshua taught to hate self, and everybody, so that we only love one master being the ultimate Source of Reality (CPU), thus we're sustained and attain Oneness by first seeking the kingdom of God, then we have unlimited energy to be a good person.

Buddha taught to remove self, to recognize the universal mind is also selfless, and that by being in this state of 0neness/Nirvana we reach Buddhahood.

So both taught the golden rule of to do unto others, as we wish done unto our self, and to love our neighbor as our self; Yeshua just points out that first love the CPU (God), as it is the ultimate Source of reality.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
With most of Christianity following the Pharisees John, Paul and Simon the stone (petros), which contradict Yeshua within the Synoptic Gospels.

Muslims are meant to be following the Quran, and yet many ignoring the Psalms, Prophets and Synoptic Gospels which it told us to accept.

Baha'i creating an alternate Messiah figure who didn't even noticed the false texts or prophet statements warning about it.

Many Jews thinking the whole thing is a joke; yet miss that the joke is on them according to the prophets.

Some Hindus not recognizing that Yeshua is an Avatar of Shiva, and is part of their prophetic fulfillment.

Some Zoroastrians not recognizing that Yeshua is one of the early incarnations of the Saoshyant; which is why the Wise-men fetched frankincense, gold, and myrrh in accordance with their customs.

Buddhist not recognizing that when we remove the false texts, Yeshua and Buddha taught nearly the same thing.

Now understandably as Yeshua pointed out here is near Hell, and therefore people don't really want to accept the teachings given by the divine; they'd rather follow each other and argue over which incarnation of the divine is superior, when they're all the same thing... :confused:

Yet seriously doesn't it even worry you that this isn't optional; we either accept the Messiah or we're going to be kicked out of reality pretty soon, according to most eschatology?

Doesn't it even make you curious, that the whole world could be so easily deceived not to follow something, that many claim to be following?

Plus lots of other questions, that find don't make any sense, other than that demons don't want to be in an age of Godliness, as they really think they know best... :oops:

So please feel free to expand this topic in any direction of confusion on each religious context, and will explain any understanding missing.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Hell i call it normal. I don't think being it helps. Yea it's a monty python skit, but don't be the skit and complain about at the same time that Carl and Friedrich nietztche.

What I am saying, there isn't a single aspect to to your writing that connects to sitting at the beach barefoot waves washing in and and the seagulls flying around just enjoying the day. We have a zillion interpretations of the text already is one more new? Now it appears you are a writer so write don't waste your time on theology it's nonsense fools gold that we have deluded ourselves into thinking it's anything. What it is is crappy writing bad poetry, horrid art criticism pretending.. I have a degree in it it's handy to see nonsense it's handy to se potential. So you presented me with garbage, but you have potential for more. Here I will give you a primer. If you can write like the below, then that, is greater than the entire history of Bible interpretation in totality.

Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs.
I am haunted by waters.

Norman Maclean
A river runs through it.

That my friend is scripture come alive into real time. Powerful.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
To me, religions are like the "training wheels" of a bicycle.
Training wheels to faith in comprehension of the Divine is a start...Like we can surface read anything, and go...Yet does that bring wisdom, and discernment of what is really taking place?

I've been dissecting the Biblical texts, and understanding world theologies for years, and it gets more complextually as we progress, to a point we realize everything is all code, and was any of it ever real.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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