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What is the proper title of someone who believes in a God but doesn't know which one?

Is evolution a sound theory?


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FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Because evolution and the Big Bang theory is basically impossible (you cannot create everything from nothing), what do you call a person who believes in higher beings/ GOD but no specific one?
Evolution is not only possible, it's happening everyday and is very much observable. The big bang theory is impossible because everything cannot come from nothing, eh? So I'm assuming you think God made everything. Then who made God? Since, you know, it's impossible for things to come from nothing. What do YOU call someone who has contradicting logic in the span of a couple of sentences?
 

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Also, did not vote on your ridiculously leading question in the poll, which had ridiculously leading answers.
 

Holdasown

Active Member
Because evolution and the Big Bang theory is basically impossible (you cannot create everything from nothing), what do you call a person who believes in higher beings/ GOD but no specific one?

Deists:
1. belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation (distinguished from theism ).
2. belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it.

Theists:
1. the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism ).
2. belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism).

Pantheists:
1. the doctrine that God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and expresses a tendency to identify God and nature.
2. any religious belief or philosophical doctrine that identifies God with the universe.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I meant one specific verse at a time. What is out of harmony with known science.
Sorry, but that is not how one reads the Bible. If you can take a verse out of context, then why not part of a verse? And if you do that the Bible says at least 12 different times "there is no god".
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Deists:
1. belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation (distinguished from theism ).
2. belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it.

Theists:
1. the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism ).
2. belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism).

Pantheists:
1. the doctrine that God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and expresses a tendency to identify God and nature.
2. any religious belief or philosophical doctrine that identifies God with the universe.
Theist can believe in multiple gods such as the Greek pantheon, the Norse gods or even much of Hinduism today.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Please don't tell me about my own religion. The op says God. I give them an answer.

I was not talking about your religion. Your definition of theist was simply incorrect. I did not even look at what your religion is. You should have just listed number 2. By the way, deists are theists too. Theism is the overarching category. Just as atheism covers a large variety of beliefs and disbeliefs so does theism.
 

Holdasown

Active Member
I was not talking about your religion. Your definition of theist was simply incorrect. I did not even look at what your religion is. You should have just listed number 2. By the way, deists are theists too. Theism is the overarching category. Just as atheism covers a large variety of beliefs and disbeliefs so does theism.

Then complain the dictionary people. I gave options if they don't investigate them who cares. It's the internet, get over yourself.
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
Because evolution and the Big Bang theory is basically impossible (you cannot create everything from nothing), what do you call a person who believes in higher beings/ GOD but no specific one?
"Something from nothing" is a Creationist model, not a scientific one.
The "Big Bang" is absolutely plausible. It's even mostly substantiated:
bigbang_universe.jpg


Cosmic neutrino background - Wikipedia

There isn't a model in Physics where Nothing has ever been shown to be a state or period of existence. Everything has always existed, just in different form and space.
I imagine this last part is what you're having a problem with - and that's fine.

I recommend you spend time studying the actual Science of Cosmology and steer clear of crackpot websites. Real Science can seem pretty boring and monotonous - but once you understand the Theories better, and the principles that they're based on you, you'll begin to really appreciate the grandeur of what it is you're trying to discuss.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Then complain the dictionary people. I gave options if they don't investigate them who cares. It's the internet, get over yourself.
Dictionaries are terrible resources for this sort of argument. I would suggest starting (it is not the ultimate source) at a site like Wikpedia which covers the concept much more thoroughly:

Theism - Wikipedia

This is one case where there are two possibilities. A belief in a god or gods, theism, or a lack of belief in a god or gods, atheism. Gnosticism reflects how sure one feels about his beliefs. An agnostic can be either an atheist or a theist. Deism is a belief in a god that "set it and forget it". Theism goes from that to people that believe they are in constant conversation with a deity. There are huge ranges in beliefs in both camps.
 

Holdasown

Active Member
Dictionaries are terrible resources for this sort of argument. I would suggest starting (it is not the ultimate source) at a site like Wikpedia which covers the concept much more thoroughly:

Theism - Wikipedia

This is one case where there are two possibilities. A belief in a god or gods, theism, or a lack of belief in a god or gods, atheism. Gnosticism reflects how sure one feels about his beliefs. An agnostic can be either an atheist or a theist. Deism is a belief in a god that "set it and forget it". Theism goes from that to people that believe they are in constant conversation with a deity. There are huge ranges in beliefs in both camps.

You are the only one arguing, honey. Enjoy yourself.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Only where lower life forms are considered God could have used a simple to complex process, but according to Genesis 2:7 God 'formed' the man from already existing earth. So, God made Adam out of already existing material.
I find 'formed' (shaped) Adam did Not come to life until after God ' breathed the breath of life ' into lifeless Adam.
Adam did Not come to be a living soul, a living person, before he started to breathe.
So, as far as human life is concerned there is No evolving, but the forming of the body and then God 'breathed the breath of life' into the non-breathing human life aka Adam.
So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life at his death - Genesis 3:19.

Genesis states that He 'formed" Adam...but doesn't say how.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Genesis states that He 'formed" Adam...but doesn't say how.

I notice at Genesis 2:7 where it says God ' formed ' man of the dust of the ground .
At Deuteronomy 4:32 it mentions God ' created ' man upon the Earth......, so the creation process was involved.
As to ' how' we don't know exactly how, but what God 'used' is what I find in the words at Psalms 104:30.
Any thoughts
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
"Something from nothing" is a Creationist model, not a scientific one.
The "Big Bang" is absolutely plausible. It's even mostly substantiated:
bigbang_universe.jpg


Cosmic neutrino background - Wikipedia
There isn't a model in Physics where Nothing has ever been shown to be a state or period of existence. Everything has always existed, just in different form and space..................
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A creationist model is Not the biblical model.
The Bible teaches that God made the material world out of His Power and Strength at Isaiah 40:26.
Power and Strength ( dynamic energy ) is Not Nothing, but is something.
So the ' something ' God used was His abundantly neded energy ( His Power, His Strength ) - Psalms 104:30
So, please don't confuse a wrong creationist teaching with what the Bible really teaches.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Sorry, but that is not how one reads the Bible. If you can take a verse out of context, then why not part of a verse? And if you do that the Bible says at least 12 different times "there is no god".

I find how one reads or studies the Bible is by topic or subject arrangement. Researching by one topic or one subject at a time, and looking at all the corresponding cross-reference verses or passages thus seeing what the Bible writers teach. That way verses or parts of are Not taken out of context.

The Bible was Not just meant to read starting from Genesis to Revelation as one reads a novel.
Which 12 verses do you have in mind. Please post.
 
Because evolution and the Big Bang theory is basically impossible (you cannot create everything from nothing), what do you call a person who believes in higher beings/ GOD but no specific one?

In Islam we believe that the Big Bang happened through the will of God. There is a beginningless energy behind everything in the universe.. I just call that energy God. And come to find out He left clues and knowledge.
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
The Bible teaches that God made the material world out of His Power and Strength at Isaiah 40:26.
If this quoted verse is your supporting argument, then I'm afraid you've misread your own document.

26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

That passage does not say "God created the Universe out of his power and strength..."

Power and Strength ( dynamic energy ) is Not Nothing, but is something.

Couple of problems here:
"Dynamic energy" isn't what you're claiming, if it's even a thing.
http://physicsforidiots.com/physics/dynamics/

And if it was as you claim, where did it come from?

So, please don't confuse a wrong creationist teaching with what the Bible really teaches.
The Bible doesn't really teach what you're claiming it does. And I see no reason why I should separate a Creationist model that you dislike with one that you prefer - they're both hokum.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If this quoted verse is your supporting argument, then I'm afraid you've misread your own document.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
That passage does not say "God created the Universe out of his power and strength..."
Couple of problems here:
"Dynamic energy" isn't what you're claiming, if it's even a thing.
http://physicsforidiots.com/physics/dynamics/
And if it was as you claim, where did it come from?
............

I see the word ' created ' at Isaiah 40:26 and to me ' created ' is connected to a Creator.
True, the word Universe does Not appear in that verse but God's Power & God's Strength (Energy) is mentioned.
Since in the Bible the word 'heavens' is often plural, one of the heavens can include our universe.
For example: Isaiah 40:22 mentions God stretching out the the heavens and spreading them out....
I see at Isaiah 40:28 that the everlasting God, the Creator, of... Earth (which is part of the universe of course)
Isaiah 45:12 also speaks of God made Earth... and stretched out the heavens.
The Earth which hangs upon nothing according to Job 26:7.
I find at Jeremiah 10:12 saying God made the Earth by His Power (Energy)
Then, at Jeremiah 27:5 that the Earth.......made by God's great power (Energy)
I also see at Jeremiah 32:17 where God made both Heaven and Earth by His Great Power (Energy)
The numbered stars God calls each by name according to Psalms 147:4-5. God's Power also mentioned.
Isaiah went on to write at Isaiah 42:5 that God is Creator of the heavens and stretches them out.....
At Isaiah 45:18 is says God created the heavens and formed the Earth.
So, by my saying God has 'dynamic energy' was my way of saying 'vastly-great Energy' or how 'densely great' God's Power and Strength is in order to accomplish creation.
Are matter and energy the source of the same thing.
 
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