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Did God abandon the United States

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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Is God turning His back on us because of our acceptance of gay marriage, bathroom rights, abortion, etc?


OR


Is America finally turning away from outdated, narrow minded views of God, and the churches that push those views?
Neither, AFAICT.

Though now that I think about it, the idea that God would dole out blessings or woes nation-by-nation - i.e. that God would feel beholden to arbitrary imaginary lines drawn by humans - seems completely bizarre if we assume that God actually exists.

OTOH, it makes perfect sense if God is the personification of human ideas.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
  • Gay marriage issues should have been solved long ago simply by not letting the government issue "marriage licenses" at all. We do not make marriage vows to the government; but to God. That's none of the government's business. I think it might be a mild form of heresy to think we need man's approval of what Jesus said "God has put together". So it's between you and God who you marry. Only God can approve or disprove. Local churches, synagogues and even mosques(nowadays) should be the ones issuing marriage licenses.
The license is only for the legal rights. You can make whatever vows you want to your God without getting the government involved; the license is granted by the government in order to secure rights provided by the government.

...and there's no way this should be downloaded to churches. Not unless churches are regulated and licensed like any other government contractor, which i don't think anyone wants.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Since Christianity was brought here and forced upon the Native population by Colonialism, I've always found this idea God is turning 'his' back on America odd. This hasn't ever been a Christian nation.

Haha, I love it!

My response is going to be a bit off-kilter as well, because as someone who doesn't worship and barely acknowledges the one-god of the Abrahamic religions, I don't really ask myself the question the OP asks. The way I see it as a polytheist is that various gods have more or less primacy in different times. This is not only normal, but expected. Gods being displaced in influence is written in to many a mythos. Besides, it isn't about us humans. Wrapping together human morality and the gods is particularly odd to me.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Why would the US belong to God, any God? If you believe in the God of the Bible, he said the Children of Israel were his chosen. He never said any such thing about the US and Americans.
Yes, gods were local affairs back in the day. If anything, the US belongs to the gods native to the continent.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Is God turning His back on us because of our acceptance of gay marriage, bathroom rights, abortion, etc?
OR
Is America finally turning away from outdated, narrow minded views of God, and the churches that push those views?

This isn't a binary yes/no question, but two separate questions. I disagree with both.

G-d does not judge us in groups. G-d judges each person according to their own merits. We each have our own opinions about gay marriage, abortion, etc, without having any say in the imposition of these things on us. We are judged for how we deal with these things within our own lives.

Regarding your question about America turning away from certain views, G-d and G-d's Laws are eternal and can't be 'outdated'. We will each have opinions about the applications of G-d's Laws within our current society and G-d will judge each of us as to how well we adhere to G-d's Laws.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
With all due respect, anyone who thinks that they understand God's message and that therefore anyone else ought to agree with them is severely deluded.
If you do understand no ones going to understand you!!! Hell that's the new testament story and that's the irony. It appears nature has created a lockout called the higher functioning Part of the brain. It should be called the dysfunctional region from all the emperical evidence we have in front of us.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The notion that god would actually care about human abstract constructs such as countries is an adorable one.
I would massively expand that but then I would be treading on sacred cows. Ok can't resist math, Cosmology, linguistics, accedamia, all feeding the nut job "higher functioning" region of the brain. Should be called the nutty dysfunctional region based on the evidence. Hell this medium isn't improving the nuttiness it's empowering it.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
The license is only for the legal rights. You can make whatever vows you want to your God without getting the government involved; the license is granted by the government in order to secure rights provided by the government.

...and there's no way this should be downloaded to churches. Not unless churches are regulated and licensed like any other government contractor, which i don't think anyone wants.
Marriage licenses were not originally given by the government. Churches did so. We didn't need government then. We don't need them now. Churches, mosques, synagogues or places of religion in general should not be regulated. It's sad you're such a totalitarian. The idea of America was that it would be a place of freedom. Now you want a nanny state.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Marriage licenses were not originally given by the government. Churches did so. We didn't need government then. We don't need them now. Churches, mosques, synagogues or places of religion in general should not be regulated. It's sad you're such a totalitarian. The idea of America was that it would be a place of freedom. Now you want a nanny state.

if churches get tax exemptions and can sell stuff without reporting it, then yes, they should be regulated.

As for marriage licenses, It would be nice if everyone got benefits to the place they are not needed to give insurance to a loved one. But that isn't our society. It would be nice if children continued to be supported by both parents willingly after a split. But that is not our society. it would be nice if people took the relationships of others as a simple fact and not as something to be regulated and hated. But that is not our society. And it would be nice if churches left politics and focused on religion, but that is not our society.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
if churches get tax exemptions and can sell stuff without reporting it, then yes, they should be regulated.
501c3 should be repealed it was a scam job by the government in the first place. We should go back to how it was before.

And it would be nice if churches left politics and focused on religion, but that is not our society.
Churches and any group of people have the right to discuss politics or anything short of a conspiracy to commit crime.
 
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