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Consider the Ravens

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Luke 12:22-28
And He said to His disciples, "For this reason I say to you, do not worry about your life, as to what you will eat; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. "For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom nor barn, and yet God feeds them; how much more valuable you are than the birds!"

Are the birds of more value than the starving children throughout the world?

Does this scripture bother you at all?

Doesn't it seem like God provides for the Ravens their food better than humans in many cases?

God is asking for us to trust him yet leaves so many examples not to. Perhaps he favors Ravens over children in Haiti?

Do you find this scripture like many to be entirely symbolic? He didn't mean he would feed them literal food? Maybe the starving people are receiving their fill of Spiritual food? Maybe Trump's "****hole" countries are rich and we are poor (spiritually)?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
That scripture would be very encouraging if there were evidence that it were true.

It would really relieve a lot of stress to be free like the birds without any worry about tomorrow... Evidence seems to suggest that we have to worry about tomorrow, that disaster could be around any corner
 

socharlie

Active Member
Luke 12:22-28
And He said to His disciples, "For this reason I say to you, do not worry about your life, as to what you will eat; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. "For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom nor barn, and yet God feeds them; how much more valuable you are than the birds!"

Are the birds of more value than the starving children throughout the world?

Does this scripture bother you at all?

Doesn't it seem like God provides for the Ravens their food better than humans in many cases?

God is asking for us to trust him yet leaves so many examples not to. Perhaps he favors Ravens over children in Haiti?

Do you find this scripture like many to be entirely symbolic? He didn't mean he would feed them literal food? Maybe the starving people are receiving their fill of Spiritual food? Maybe Trump's "****hole" countries are rich and we are poor (spiritually)?
Jesus was Essene minded. Monastic type of life of detachment and meditation. Charity is a different issue.
Curing our ego is essential. God provided all we need for all of us.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
That scripture would be very encouraging if there were evidence that it were true.

It would really relieve a lot of stress to be free like the birds without any worry about tomorrow... Evidence seems to suggest that we have to worry about tomorrow, that disaster could be around any corner
It IS spiritual. Just as the word "bread" was spiritual. Did the feeding of the five thousand sate their bellies, or their spirit. Man shall not live by "bread" alone. Spiritual words.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Do you find this scripture like many to be entirely symbolic? He didn't mean he would feed them literal food? Maybe the starving people are receiving their fill of Spiritual food?
To me, it's saying material items should not be one's #1 priority, not that food & clothing are not important. Matter of fact he says there's the necessity of helping those in need that's found in Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats (Matt. 25) and the Sermon On the Mount.

Maybe Trump's "****hole" countries are rich and we are poor (spiritually)?
Psalms says that nations will be judged on how they treat the poor but since that's found in a book, don't expect Trump to understand that. He probably believes that Jesus said "Blessed are the billionaires...".
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
It IS spiritual. Just as the word "bread" was spiritual. Did the feeding of the five thousand sate their bellies, or their spirit. Man shall not live by "bread" alone. Spiritual words.
Another view of the same thing - "poor in spirit" means not full of oneself - it's a message about not being ego-centric but is tied to the second Greatest Commandment - if I'm full of myself, I can't truly love others.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Luke 12:22-28
And He said to His disciples, "For this reason I say to you, do not worry about your life, as to what you will eat; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. "For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom nor barn, and yet God feeds them; how much more valuable you are than the birds!"

Are the birds of more value than the starving children throughout the world?

Does this scripture bother you at all?

Doesn't it seem like God provides for the Ravens their food better than humans in many cases?

God is asking for us to trust him yet leaves so many examples not to. Perhaps he favors Ravens over children in Haiti?

Do you find this scripture like many to be entirely symbolic? He didn't mean he would feed them literal food? Maybe the starving people are receiving their fill of Spiritual food? Maybe Trump's "****hole" countries are rich and we are poor (spiritually)?

Kind of see it as man becoming as he was before he was kicked out of the Garden of Eden.

There's that cherub there with the flaming sword making it difficult it get back in.

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BSM1

What? Me worry?
Luke 12:22-28
And He said to His disciples, "For this reason I say to you, do not worry about your life, as to what you will eat; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. "For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom nor barn, and yet God feeds them; how much more valuable you are than the birds!"

Are the birds of more value than the starving children throughout the world?

Does this scripture bother you at all?

Doesn't it seem like God provides for the Ravens their food better than humans in many cases?

God is asking for us to trust him yet leaves so many examples not to. Perhaps he favors Ravens over children in Haiti?

Do you find this scripture like many to be entirely symbolic? He didn't mean he would feed them literal food? Maybe the starving people are receiving their fill of Spiritual food? Maybe Trump's "****hole" countries are rich and we are poor (spiritually)?

I imagine most of them would trade a good portion of their "spiritual wealth" for a ham sandwich and a large order fries...just sayin'.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Kind of see it as man becoming as he was before he was kicked out of the Garden of Eden.

There's that cherub there with the flaming sword making it difficult it get back in.

images


Wonder where Eve got the cool dress?
 

LionLooking

Member
Are the birds of more value than the starving children throughout the world?

Does this scripture bother you at all?

Doesn't it seem like God provides for the Ravens their food better than humans in many cases?
There's plenty of food to go round - or would be, if we shared it fairly.
Western countries are throwing thousands tonnes of perfectly good food away every day.
I don't think we can blame God for hunger. It's a result of mankind's greed.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
That scripture would be very encouraging if there were evidence that it were true.

It would really relieve a lot of stress to be free like the birds without any worry about tomorrow... Evidence seems to suggest that we have to worry about tomorrow, that disaster could be around any corner


You kind of missed the lesson of Matthew 6:32. You must “seek first His kingdom, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added to you.” You have apparently taken the bait of the “dragon” (Revelation 13:14), and have followed the apparent associate of Luke, the false prophet Paul, and his false gospel of grace. Those following that “broad” “way” to “destruction”, would include the “many”. (Matthew 7:13).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I imagine most of them would trade a good portion of their "spiritual wealth" for a ham sandwich and a large order fries...just sayin'.

Psalms says that nations will be judged on how they treat the poor but since that's found in a book, don't expect Trump to understand that. He probably believes that Jesus said "Blessed are the billionaires...".



You are going to have to be more specific. Psalms talks about how men treat the poor. And Trump is not a “nation”, nor has he mistreated the poor. There are 3million people who are now off food stamps because of their increased earnings. The unemployment rate of Hispanics is the lowest ever since records have been kept. The unemployment rate of Blacks is the lowest in 18 years. Trump is going to go after the main culprits who eat the flesh of the poor (Zechariah 11:16), the deep state. Next he will go after the churches, who like the Roman church, take from the poor to invest in 188 million acres of high end property, along with gold, silver, and art. They used the money taken from widows and orphans to build basilicas for shock and awe. Eating the flesh of widows and orphans kind of scrapes the bottom of the barrel. The practice is called indulgences, and indulgences are part of the Roman Church’s play book. Taking opportunity away, and keeping the poor placid, is in the playbook of the deep state, who are all things to all men, and faithful to none.

As for Trump being blessed, he has a very nice wife, he loves his work, he has good health, and like king David, his enemies fall by the wayside. Even king Saul, as with Obama, and queen Billary, all being possessed by demons, could not take either king David or Trump down. I don’t think Yeshua would take kindly to people who throw stones at people they consider their inferiors. As for how your judge others, so shall you be judged. When you have sold all your possessions and given to the poor, come back and restate your position. (Matthew 19:21)
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
There's plenty of food to go round - or would be, if we shared it fairly.
Western countries are throwing thousands tonnes of perfectly good food away every day.
I don't think we can blame God for hunger. It's a result of mankind's greed.

One third to half of all food from third world countries is thrown away in the production phase. According to my calculations, that is around 330 million tons of food a year. As for the U.S., over half of the population is over weight, which kind of points to a different problem other than greed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste
 

LionLooking

Member
One third to half of all food from third world countries is thrown away in the production phase.
Yes - It's difficult to produce and store food. Subsistence farmers lose very little during production and storage though.
As for the U.S., over half of the population is over weight, which kind of points to a different problem other than greed.
That particular country is, without doubt, one of the greediest in the world. Petrol consumption, land use, food consumption...
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Yes - It's difficult to produce and store food. Subsistence farmers lose very little during production and storage though.

That particular country is, without doubt, one of the greediest in the world. Petrol consumption, land use, food consumption...
Yes - It's difficult to produce and store food. Subsistence farmers lose very little during production and storage though.

That particular country is, without doubt, one of the greediest in the world. Petrol consumption, land use, food consumption...


Up to ½ of third world food is lost during production. Storage is another loss altogether. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste


The U.S. is blessed with energy, land, food, water, and in fact, the “deplorable” are very generous. Now the politicians, especially the wacko global warming followers of Al Core, who has his own plane, are a bit off the edge, and are more interested in keeping the people under their thumbs and part of a world governance, but it is the “deplorables”, who will come through the coming world calamity. The U.S remains consistently in the top 1 or 2 of charitable countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index
 

LionLooking

Member
Up to ½ of third world food is lost during production.
Warmer climate and less developed agricultural methods I suppose?

Storage is another loss altogether.
Still, there's enough to go around.

The U.S. is blessed with energy, land, food, water, and in fact, the “deplorable” are very generous.
As long as anyone is in need, the 'blessed' are not generous enough.
Now the politicians, especially the wacko global warming followers of Al Core,
I don't know enough about politics over there to comment.
All I will say is, any country which regards global warming as 'wacko' is a danger to the rest of us.
...are more interested in keeping the people under their thumbs and part of a world governance,
Conspiracy theory? I don't go in for those really, but each to their own.
but it is the “deplorables”, who will come through the coming world calamity.
I doubt that anyone will come through the calamity of climate change - unless something is done to stop it very soon indeed.
The U.S remains consistently in the top 1 or 2 of charitable countries.
And so it should, being the richest,. Other, less 'blessed' nations are also consistently in the top 10, despite being less well off.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Psalms talks about how men treat the poor. And Trump is not a “nation”, nor has he mistreated the poor.
You clearly have not done your homework, plus Trump is the president of this "nation".

Trump is going to go after the main culprits who eat the flesh of the poor (Zechariah 11:16), the deep state. Next he will go after the churches, who like the Roman church, take from the poor to invest in 188 million acres of high end property, along with gold, silver, and art. They used the money taken from widows and orphans to build basilicas for shock and awe.
Oh yes, you just can't get away from your anti-Catholic bigotry can ya. A truly honest person does not just go about just using black paint to smear another faith as all religious institutions are a mixture of black, white, and grey paint.

BTW, at least Catholics go to church, which is a requirement of Christians according to the NT, which you have admitted you violate. Therefore, "people who live in glass houses...".

As for Trump being blessed, he has a very nice wife,
Who violated her visa because she worked here modeling without a work visa. Should she be deported, which is the general procure used against those who do violate their visa requirements? I don't suggest as such, but you should if you actually believe what Trump has said.

and queen Billary
Oh ya, name-calling is just what Jesus told you to do, right? No wonder you voted for Trump-- basic Christian ethics be damned.

When you have sold all your possessions and given to the poor, come back and restate your position. (Matthew 19:21)
Have you?

What I do in regards to charitable giving is none of your business, and I doubt very much that you actually believe in what Jesus said in Matthew and elsewhere. You pick and choose what you want to believe and then strut around acting holier-than-Thou. You believe in Trumpism, thus not in the most basic teachings of Jesus that deal with compassion for all, justice for all, and loving kindness. You have picked your religion, now you have to deal with the consequences of that.

As for myself, I'd rather spend my time dealing with those who believe in kindness, love, and fairness towards all, versus judgementalism, meanness, and bigotry.
 
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