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Trump representing Christianity in the US...

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
When I was a Christian, one thing I heard often was that you need to watch what you say or do, because whether you know it or not, you represent your faith. Your actions can cause Christians to stumble, or worse, cause those who don't know god to turn away from him and become embittered against him. Alternatively, if you act in accordance with god, it will draw people to want to visit your church, and maybe even become saved.

Trump has been at the forefront, and he has been leading the charge for Christian political ambitions in the US. A lot of people have come to associate him as a sort of leader for the Christian movement in this country; especially for evangelical Christianity. With Christians I know, he is either regarded as a source of great pride, or as a source of great embarrassment.

So, as for the fine folks of religious forums:

How do you feel with the way trump represents Christianity in the US?

Does he embody the Christian walk? If so, in what ways?

Do you think his actions will cause people to turn to god, or will his actions turn people away?

Thanks! :D
Trump represents the Christian Lobby.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Even David and Soloman had faults. I'm sure the media dug up every bit of dirt they could find on Trump, if that's all he did in his life he's doing pretty good. And it's not like he tried to start a movement to make his immoral behavior legitimate. He had to grovel and hope his wife didn't leave him for shame.
Solomon was like the Hugh Hefner of the Bible.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How much did he need to say when in the OT the LORD says homosexuality is an abomination to God. Jesus is the LORD in the flesh.
And why may I ask are you so focused on this "sin" above all the rest, that you chose at that single example of why you thought Trump was a Christian?

Does it bother you more than stealing aide from the poor? Why? What makes you so uncomfortable about gay sex, versus a lack of compassion for the needy? Are you afraid of it more than the sight of others suffering? Does it make you personally uncomfortable, where other sins are excusable, like you've done for Donald? What's that about? It freaks you out? Makes you fearful about something uncomfortable for you?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
And why may I ask are you so focused on this "sin" above all the rest, that you chose at that single example of why you thought Trump was a Christian?

Does it bother you more than stealing aide from the poor? Why? What makes you so uncomfortable about gay sex, versus a lack of compassion for the needy? Are you afraid of it more than the sight of others suffering? Does it make you personally uncomfortable, where other sins are excusable, like you've done for Donald? What's that about? It freaks you out? Makes you fearful about something uncomfortable for you?

He only asked for one example why he is a Christian, not for examples why he isn't one.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Just think about it, 8 yrs of Trump. Then we'll have Ivanka Trump for our first lady President. For another 8 years. Wow can't Waite.
I don't hate the country or the planet that bad. :p

I'm proud to have Trump as leader as a Christian.
He wouldn't last in any decently run business he didn't own.

Democrates Supports everything that God is against.
I should hope so. Compassion, freedom, respect, common sense ... all regularly bashed by the bible and yet ensures morality.

Republicans Supports everything that God stands for.
You're right: Republicans are often against things until we all find out they do it anyway.

Unto which God is against, which Republicans stands with God against such things.
So it's moral to kill them? That's what the bible demands of you. Why aren't you listening to God?

God made man and woman and not Steve and Adam or Mary and Eve.
God made lots of things. Who cares? Remind yourself that Adam couldn't procreate with all the other nonhumans (and think real hard how'd he know that) and that instead of creating a woman, God just makes Adam an Adam With Boobs.

"If you don't know why Luke and Leia can't get married, you might be a redneck." :p

So how does gay marriage fit into that ?
Jesus was against marriage in general. He was against FAMILIES in general. He preferred it if you dumped all your loved ones to follow him.

And unless you're reading certain fanfictions, Jesus never got hitched, so he is talking out his behind.

But he's not doing it for the country. He's doing it for himself, and you and I and all the rest of us are simply player's on Donald's game of life he began when he was 8 years old, which is where he stopped developing.
I think that's insulting to third-graders. :p

He does not promote the Grace of God as a license for immorality...in that respect.
No, he prefers anyone with a vagina, no matter how young.

Even David and Soloman had faults.
And because of them, the young nation split asunder and didn't return for millennia. Way to go, heroes.

He had to grovel and hope his wife didn't leave him for shame.
She's his walking sex toy. She's not going to leave him, though I wish she would. Even hookers deserve a bit of respect.

Don't you think those who are homosexuals would fit inside Jesus' welcoming arm?
Or his lap.

The Samaritan woman at the well was not welcome in Jesus' kingdom because she would not admit her sins, she was not repentant or sorry.
Um, no. Jesus was racist and didn't want to be bothered with a "dog".

Unless you're a Middle Eastern Jew, the reality is Jesus wouldn't automatically like you, me, or anyone reminding them of Romans.

How could anyone who promotes "US first" possibly be a good representation of Christianity?
Nationalism is idolatry, which IIRC is a sin.

It breaks the very first commandment, even.

How much did he need to say when in the OT the LORD says homosexuality is an abomination to God.
Jesus made a habit of calling out overly strict rules by breaking the Sabbath and hanging out with the "losers", who were only losers because religious authorities said so.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Even David and Soloman had faults. I'm sure the media dug up every bit of dirt they could find on Trump, if that's all he did in his life he's doing pretty good. And it's not like he tried to start a movement to make his immoral behavior legitimate. He had to grovel and hope his wife didn't leave him for shame.
He's never shown a bit of remorse, and still talks that way about women. Comparing him to David and Solomon is terrible; one look at Twitter tells you Trump has no wisdom.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
He's never shown a bit of remorse, and still talks that way about women. Comparing him to David and Solomon is terrible; one look at Twitter tells you Trump has no wisdom.

wise Soloman would have never took the job of president.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Comparing him to David and Solomon is terrible; one look at Twitter tells you Trump has no wisdom.
It's quite accurate, actually. Both were notorious man-whores. David only survived Saul's rage by colluding with the enemy. Solomon threatened a baby to make a point. Both went on and on about how pious they were while doing everything BUT pious things. Both were fixated on building a giant tourist trap.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Just look at the platforms of both Parties.

Democrates Supports everything that God is against.
Republicans Supports everything that God stands for.

Trump stands more inclined with the Christian beliefs, Than does Liberal democrates.
Liberal democrates Support's gay marriage.
Unto which God is against, which Republicans stands with God against such things.
God made man and woman and not Steve and Adam or Mary and Eve.

Even Christ Jesus is found in Supporting this.
"And he ( Jesus ) answered and said, unto them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife"
Matthew 19:4-5.

So how does gay marriage fit into that ?

So what you have is, Republicans Supporting Christ Jesus about marriage between a man and woman.


This is teenage thinking..


1) Was Jesus married?
2) Trump eats shrimp.

You really have a lot of research and meditation to do.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
I've said this before. those under Jesus' welcoming umbrella were repentant sinners. The tax collector told Jesus he would repay 4x anyone he cheated and Jesus told the tax collector he was welcome in his kingdom. The prostitute stopped being a prostitute. The Samaritan woman at the well was not welcome in Jesus' kingdom because she would not admit her sins, she was not repentant or sorry.

Secondly Donald Trump is in the position of State, not church. The church forgives sinners, the State is supposed to punish them. Like Paul said "Turn this man over to Satan (i.e to the authorities for punishment) for the destruction of his flesh"

So it's you, not me, who has fallen astray from real Christian teachings.

1) Who has Trump repayed?
2) And what sins has he repented of?

You know what; let's make a list.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I don't hate the country or the planet that bad. :p


He wouldn't last in any decently run business he didn't own.


I should hope so. Compassion, freedom, respect, common sense ... all regularly bashed by the bible and yet ensures morality.


You're right: Republicans are often against things until we all find out they do it anyway.


So it's moral to kill them? That's what the bible demands of you. Why aren't you listening to God?


God made lots of things. Who cares? Remind yourself that Adam couldn't procreate with all the other nonhumans (and think real hard how'd he know that) and that instead of creating a woman, God just makes Adam an Adam With Boobs.

"If you don't know why Luke and Leia can't get married, you might be a redneck." :p


Jesus was against marriage in general. He was against FAMILIES in general. He preferred it if you dumped all your loved ones to follow him.

And unless you're reading certain fanfictions, Jesus never got hitched, so he is talking out his behind.


I think that's insulting to third-graders. :p


No, he prefers anyone with a vagina, no matter how young.


And because of them, the young nation split asunder and didn't return for millennia. Way to go, heroes.


She's his walking sex toy. She's not going to leave him, though I wish she would. Even hookers deserve a bit of respect.


Or his lap.


Um, no. Jesus was racist and didn't want to be bothered with a "dog".

Unless you're a Middle Eastern Jew, the reality is Jesus wouldn't automatically like you, me, or anyone reminding them of Romans.


Nationalism is idolatry, which IIRC is a sin.

It breaks the very first commandment, even.


Jesus made a habit of calling out overly strict rules by breaking the Sabbath and hanging out with the "losers", who were only losers because religious authorities said so.

Do you always run off at the mouth, showing your ignorance
I don't hate the country or the planet that bad. :p


He wouldn't last in any decently run business he didn't own.


I should hope so. Compassion, freedom, respect, common sense ... all regularly bashed by the bible and yet ensures morality.


You're right: Republicans are often against things until we all find out they do it anyway.


So it's moral to kill them? That's what the bible demands of you. Why aren't you listening to God?


God made lots of things. Who cares? Remind yourself that Adam couldn't procreate with all the other nonhumans (and think real hard how'd he know that) and that instead of creating a woman, God just makes Adam an Adam With Boobs.

"If you don't know why Luke and Leia can't get married, you might be a redneck." :p


Jesus was against marriage in general. He was against FAMILIES in general. He preferred it if you dumped all your loved ones to follow him.

And unless you're reading certain fanfictions, Jesus never got hitched, so he is talking out his behind.


I think that's insulting to third-graders. :p


No, he prefers anyone with a vagina, no matter how young.


And because of them, the young nation split asunder and didn't return for millennia. Way to go, heroes.


She's his walking sex toy. She's not going to leave him, though I wish she would. Even hookers deserve a bit of respect.


Or his lap.


Um, no. Jesus was racist and didn't want to be bothered with a "dog".

Unless you're a Middle Eastern Jew, the reality is Jesus wouldn't automatically like you, me, or anyone reminding them of Romans.


Nationalism is idolatry, which IIRC is a sin.

It breaks the very first commandment, even.


Jesus made a habit of calling out overly strict rules by breaking the Sabbath and hanging out with the "losers", who were only losers because religious authorities said so.


You must hate the country, voting democrate is everything that's wrong with this country.
This is teenage thinking..


1) Was Jesus married?
2) Trump eats shrimp.

You really have a lot of research and meditation to do.
This is teenage thinking..


1) Was Jesus married?
2) Trump eats shrimp.

You really have a lot of research and meditation to do.

Have you any idea, what a bridegroom is.

Jesus being the bridegroom, coming for his bride. So in a since you could say Jesus is married.

What does Trump eating shrimp, have to do with anything.

Maybe it's you that needs to do your research.
 
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Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
1) Who has Trump repayed?
2) And what sins has he repented of?

You know what; let's make a list.

Trump isn't the tax collector. Who has Trump cheated? Yes make a list of the sins he isn't doing. Trump is a pretty good guy. Married to one wife. A hard worker. And he is not a preacher or man of the cloth. I wouldn't hold him any more morally accountable than the average American. America wouldn't tolerate anyone more moral than that.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Do you always run off at the mouth, showing your ignorance



You must hate the country, voting democrate is everything that's wrong with this country.



Have you any idea, what a bridegroom is.

Jesus being the bridegroom, coming for his bride. So in a since you could say Jesus is married.

What does Trump eating shrimp, have to do with anything.

Maybe it's you that needs to do your research.

Sure. Let's find out.

1) And who is the bride? A female? Or a congregation of male and female?

2) Right next to homosexuality in Leviticus, is the prohibition of shellfish; an abomination. You should know that shouldn't you?
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Trump isn't the tax collector. Who has Trump cheated? Yes make a list of the sins he isn't doing. Trump is a pretty good guy. Married to one wife. A hard worker. And he is not a preacher or man of the cloth. I wouldn't hold him any more morally accountable than the average American. America wouldn't tolerate anyone more moral than that.
And yet, you pointed your judging finger at Obama for supporting gays, yet you downplay the parade of sins of Donald as no worse than anyone else's. There is a word Jesus used for applying such double-standards. He called it hypocrisy.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Sure. Let's find out.

1) And who is the bride? A female? Or a congregation of male and female?

2) Right next to homosexuality in Leviticus, is the prohibition of shellfish; an abomination. You should know that shouldn't you?


Maybe instead of running to the old testament, Maybe you should go to the new testament which Christians are under.

The old testament is for Israel.
But then you showed yourself of not knowing what the new testament Supports and confirm's.
Therefore show one book, Chapter and Verse's in the new testament, where eating shrimp is a abomination. As you say.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
And yet, you pointed your judging finger at Obama for supporting gays, yet you downplay the parade of sins of Donald as no worse than anyone else's. There is a word Jesus used for applying such double-standards. He called it hypocrisy.

Jesus said practice what you preach. Obama was not a homosexual so why was Obama preaching that it is as right as rain, suitable for children in their schools even?
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How do you feel with the way trump represents Christianity in the US?

The Christians seem to think that Trump represents them well. The evangelicals, who are probably the most intense Christians, overwhelmingly supported him. And two on this thread seem to feel that he represents them well. They seem to have no problem with his character.
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Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Trump isn't the tax collector. Who has Trump cheated? Yes make a list of the sins he isn't doing. Trump is a pretty good guy. Married to one wife. A hard worker. And he is not a preacher or man of the cloth. I wouldn't hold him any more morally accountable than the average American. America wouldn't tolerate anyone more moral than that.

So now the standard is the average US citizen?

13 Things The Bible Forbids Other Than Homosexuality (That You're Probably Guilty Of Doing) | HuffPost

www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/amp9962852/lawsuits-against-donald-trump/


Trump has been cheating people his entire adult life. That's not readily observable to those serving Mammon.

Proverbs 16:5
Leviticus 11:9-12
Leviticus 18:6-18
Leviticus 19:16
Leviticus 19:27
Matthew 5:28
Matthew 19:21
Mark 10:11-12

More coming!

Maybe instead of running to the old testament, Maybe you should go to the new testament which Christians are under.

The old testament is for Israel.
But then you showed yourself of not knowing what the new testament Supports and confirm's.
Therefore show one book, Chapter and Verse's in the new testament, where eating shrimp is a abomination. As you say.

Sure.

Matthew 5:17-19


Now, show everyone here where it says homosexuality is an abomination, in the NT.
 
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