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Trump representing Christianity in the US...

Faithofchristian

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The "Christian" part of me is upset. The "Smartmouth" part of me says he is what Christianity has been for centuries.


He is ignorant and shallow and hypocritical. :)


I'm sure plenty of people are praying to be rid of this entire administration. :p


Just think about it, 8 yrs of Trump. Then we'll have Ivanka Trump for our first lady President. For another 8 years. Wow can't Waite.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Trump has never been a Christian in my view, but Christians do tend to embrace some of his political ideas so it's natural to see them in that light. As far as sins, other than lying and killing I'm pretty much sure he's been down with them all at some point, so seeing him as a Christian icon is somewhat of a stretch.

I do, however, see Trump as more Christian than the Pope presently who is doing everything possible to murder Catholicism and other denominations of Christianity through his actions.

Trumps is more of a Christian then the whole DNC put together.
Trump is the opposite of what Jesus says a good person is.


Maybe you need to take another look at the Democratic Party. Everything that Jesus stood against, the democratic stands for.

Back in 1962 democrate President JFK went for Tax breaks for all people and both Republicans and Democrates and the American people Supported him.

To day Trump goes to do the same thing, and democrates come all Unhinged.

Again democrate President JFK want to stop Illegal immigrants, from coming into our country.
To day Trump goes to do this and Liberal Democrates come all Unhinged.

Go Figure?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I do, however, see Trump as more Christian than the Pope presently who is doing everything possible to murder Catholicism and other denominations of Christianity through his actions.
I see Pope Francis as 100% the opposite of what you assert. By his words and deeds, he is closer to what Jesus is supposed to have said and done than any pope I know of.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Trumps is more of a Christian then the whole DNC put together.



Maybe you need to take another look at the Democratic Party. Everything that Jesus stood against, the democratic stands for.

Back in 1962 democrate President JFK went for Tax breaks for all people and both Republicans and Democrates and the American people Supported him.

To day Trump goes to do the same thing, and democrates come all Unhinged.

Again democrate President JFK want to stop Illegal immigrants, from coming into our country.
To day Trump goes to do this and Liberal Democrates come all Unhinged.

Go Figure?
I'm sorry but your post is such utter nonsense that I suspect I'm being trolled.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
When I was a Christian, one thing I heard often was that you need to watch what you say or do, because whether you know it or not, you represent your faith. Your actions can cause Christians to stumble, or worse, cause those who don't know god to turn away from him and become embittered against him. Alternatively, if you act in accordance with god, it will draw people to want to visit your church, and maybe even become saved.

Trump has been at the forefront, and he has been leading the charge for Christian political ambitions in the US. A lot of people have come to associate him as a sort of leader for the Christian movement in this country; especially for evangelical Christianity. With Christians I know, he is either regarded as a source of great pride, or as a source of great embarrassment.

So, as for the fine folks of religious forums:

How do you feel with the way trump represents Christianity in the US?

Does he embody the Christian walk? If so, in what ways?

Do you think his actions will cause people to turn to god, or will his actions turn people away?

Thanks! :D

If Trump is an example for Christianity i am very happy not to be associated with such a group and i would think any analytically minded person would cower away from his attempts to promote Christianity.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Just think about it, 8 yrs of Trump. Then we'll have Ivanka Trump for our first lady President. For another 8 years. Wow can't Waite.
Without asking about the Democrats,
What is it about the Trumps that you personally think represents your Christian beliefs and morality? I don't understand that, so I'm asking you to explain it to me.
Tom
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When I was a Christian, one thing I heard often was that you need to watch what you say or do, because whether you know it or not, you represent your faith. Your actions can cause Christians to stumble, or worse, cause those who don't know god to turn away from him and become embittered against him. Alternatively, if you act in accordance with god, it will draw people to want to visit your church, and maybe even become saved.

Trump has been at the forefront, and he has been leading the charge for Christian political ambitions in the US. A lot of people have come to associate him as a sort of leader for the Christian movement in this country; especially for evangelical Christianity. With Christians I know, he is either regarded as a source of great pride, or as a source of great embarrassment.

So, as for the fine folks of religious forums:

How do you feel with the way trump represents Christianity in the US?

Does he embody the Christian walk? If so, in what ways?

Do you think his actions will cause people to turn to god, or will his actions turn people away?

Thanks! :D

All fall short of the glory of God. I think Trump is doing the best he can. I believe he really puts his heart into doing the best he can for our country. I'm proud to have Trump as leader as a Christian.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Without asking about the Democrats,
What is it about the Trumps that you personally think represents your Christian beliefs and morality? I don't understand that, so I'm asking you to explain it to me.
Tom


Just look at the platforms of both Parties.

Democrates Supports everything that God is against.
Republicans Supports everything that God stands for.

Trump stands more inclined with the Christian beliefs, Than does Liberal democrates.
Liberal democrates Support's gay marriage.
Unto which God is against, which Republicans stands with God against such things.
God made man and woman and not Steve and Adam or Mary and Eve.

Even Christ Jesus is found in Supporting this.
"And he ( Jesus ) answered and said, unto them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning, made them male and female And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife"
Matthew 19:4-5.

So how does gay marriage fit into that ?

So what you have is, Republicans Supporting Christ Jesus about marriage between a man and woman.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
All fall short of the glory of God.
And some are crawling under the ground with the worms. :)

I think Trump is doing the best he can.
Sure, he is operating exactly as one would expect for someone with his deep psychological problems. I have a relative with that disorder, and it's like watching her playing president, imagining her in her personality with all it's wild and detached from reality thoughts and words, sitting in her office and directing the lives of millions. Everyday makes me shudder realizing exquisitely clearly what others, such as yourself are blind too.

I believe he really puts his heart into doing the best he can for our country.
But he's not doing it for the country. He's doing it for himself, and you and I and all the rest of us are simply player's on Donald's game of life he began when he was 8 years old, which is where he stopped developing.

I'm proud to have Trump as leader as a Christian.
What about Donald to you says he speaks of Christian values and truth? Can you? If so, please name something in him that represents the teachings of Jesus? Can you name one?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
And some are crawling under the ground with the worms. :)


Sure, he is operating exactly as one would expect for someone with his deep psychological problems. I have a relative with that disorder, and it's like watching her playing president, imagining her in her personality with all it's wild and detached from reality thoughts and words, sitting in her office and directing the lives of millions. Everyday makes me shudder realizing exquisitely clearly what others, such as yourself are blind too.


But he's not doing it for the country. He's doing it for himself, and you and I and all the rest of us are simply player's on Donald's game of life he began when he was 8 years old, which is where he stopped developing.


What about Donald to you says he speaks of Christian values and truth? Can you? If so, please name something in him that represents the teachings of Jesus? Can you name one?

He does not promote the gay agenda like Obama did and Hillary would have. He does not promote the Grace of God as a license for immorality...in that respect.

Jude 1:4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I'm proud to have Trump as leader as a Christian.
I started to include you in my question to FaithofChristian, but it seemed a bit like a call out. Heaven forbid I should push the envelope of RF rules:innocent:
Without asking about the Democrats,
What is it about the Trumps that you personally think represents your Christian beliefs and morality? I don't understand that, so I'm asking you to explain it to me.
Have you a response? I am curious about this. Frankly, I find it baffling. Cruz, I could see. But Trump?
Tom
Eta~ I didn't see those last two posts. ~
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
He does not promote the gay agenda like Obama did and Hillary would have. He does not promote the Grace of God as a license for immorality...in that respect.

Jude 1:4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Have you forgotten Trump says it's ok to "grab em by the *****"? That's your Christian morality?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Have you forgotten Trump says it's ok to "grab em by the *****"? That's your Christian morality?

Even David and Soloman had faults. I'm sure the media dug up every bit of dirt they could find on Trump, if that's all he did in his life he's doing pretty good. And it's not like he tried to start a movement to make his immoral behavior legitimate. He had to grovel and hope his wife didn't leave him for shame.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
So what you have is, Republicans Supporting Christ Jesus about marriage between a man and woman.

He does not promote the gay agenda like Obama did and Hillary would have.
Really? That's it? Gay marriage?

If I thought he would have really done something (sensible) about abortion, I would have put that down in his favor. He actually did refer to that on the campaign stump. But I don't remember him referring to marriage equality at all.

And since it's settled law and politically popular, I can't imagine him pulling off any upset victories on that subject. Heck, even Mike Pence jerked anti-gay marriage legislation off the table, because it was such a political liability. And that was here in extra conservative Christian Indiana. It was pretty humiliating for him, he had been promising it for years. Raising money and getting out the vote, by promising a public vote to forbid gay marriage. But then the Pence led legislature abruptly dropped it, enraging the Christian base.
If Pence can't get support in Indiana, I am not concerned about Trump doing anything on a national level.

Gay marriage issues are both of your top priorities, as Christians who vote? Seriously?
Tom
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He does not promote the gay agenda like Obama did and Hillary would have.
To you, this is what Jesus taught? I'm so very sorry for you that you missed his message of Love. I don't think he ever said anything about homosexuals, but he did say an awful lot about welcoming those who were looked down upon by society, like tax collectors, prostitutes, Samaritans, etc. Don't you think those who are homosexuals would fit inside Jesus' welcoming arm? Why are you choosing instead to view them as lesser? Jesus wouldn't have.

As I said before, this is not Jesus' teachings at all. So what you are following, that goes by the name of Christ, is not. Donald has pulled off the mask and exposed those who use his name for their own egos and own fears of others against them. This is what Jesus warned of when said, "Not all those who call me Lord enter the kingdom."

He does not promote the Grace of God as a license for immorality...in that respect.
I don't think anybody has been doing that. Why do you image this?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
To you, this is what Jesus taught? I'm so very sorry for you that you missed his message of Love. I don't think he ever said anything about homosexuals, but he did say an awful lot about welcoming those who were looked down upon by society, like tax collectors, prostitutes, Samaritans, etc. Don't you think those who are homosexuals would fit inside Jesus' welcoming arm? Why are you choosing instead to view them as lesser? Jesus wouldn't have.

As I said before, this is not Jesus' teachings at all. So what you are following, that goes by the name of Christ, is not. Donald has pulled off the mask and exposed those who use his name for their own egos and own fears of others against them. This is what Jesus warned of when said, "Not all those who call me Lord enter the kingdom."


I don't think anybody has been doing that. Why do you image this?

I've said this before. those under Jesus' welcoming umbrella were repentant sinners. The tax collector told Jesus he would repay 4x anyone he cheated and Jesus told the tax collector he was welcome in his kingdom. The prostitute stopped being a prostitute. The Samaritan woman at the well was not welcome in Jesus' kingdom because she would not admit her sins, she was not repentant or sorry.

Secondly Donald Trump is in the position of State, not church. The church forgives sinners, the State is supposed to punish them. Like Paul said "Turn this man over to Satan (i.e to the authorities for punishment) for the destruction of his flesh"

So it's you, not me, who has fallen astray from real Christian teachings.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
How could anyone who promotes "US first" possibly be a good representation of Christianity?

Trump isn't even a good representation of an American, other than our democratic principle that ANYONE can become president!
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I've said this before. those under Jesus' welcoming umbrella were repentant sinners.
So in your eyes, in how you understand this, they earned it by doing something to win approval?

The tax collector told Jesus he would repay 4x anyone he cheated and Jesus told the tax collector he was welcome in his kingdom. The prostitute stopped being a prostitute. The Samaritan woman at the well was not welcome in Jesus' kingdom because she would not admit her sins, she was not repentant or sorry.
Again, Jesus said nothing about homosexuals. You cannot repent for being born who you are. You do know that what you've been told that it's a "choice" is flatly wrong?

Secondly Donald Trump is in the position of State, not church. The church forgives sinners, the State is supposed to punish them. Like Paul said "Turn this man over to Satan (i.e to the authorities for punishment) for the destruction of his flesh"
So you are saying he isn't a Christian now, but that you should obey him because God put him in place to punish those who don't think like you? And this is Christian how? This is a very ill version of Christianity, and I'm sorry you are snared by it.

So it's you, not me, who has fallen astray from real Christian teachings.
Oh I haven't fallen anywhere. But I suspect in you're saying this pointing a finger to me, that this is a beginning understanding of your own that you in fact have. It's like Donald might say, "I know you are, but what I am?".
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So in your eyes, in how you understand this, they earned it by doing something to win approval?


Again, Jesus said nothing about homosexuals. You cannot repent for being born who you are. You do know that what you've been told that it's a "choice" is flatly wrong?


So you are saying he isn't a Christian now, but that you should obey him because God put him in place to punish those who don't think like you? And this is Christian how? This is a very ill version of Christianity, and I'm sorry you are snared by it.


Oh I haven't fallen anywhere. But I suspect in you're saying this pointing a finger to me, that this is a beginning understanding of your own that you in fact have. It's like Donald might say, "I know you are, but what I am?".

How much did he need to say when in the OT the LORD says homosexuality is an abomination to God. Jesus is the LORD in the flesh.
 
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