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Paul Didn't Know Jesus

Phantasman

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Trump raped a 13 year old, Moore molested a 14 year old, Franken just grabbed someones butt
Why don't you take this nonsense to the "political forums" where it belongs? You'd find an audience that really cares what you think, I'm sure.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I'm afraid Jesus' teaching is among the nonsense you're so offended by.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Well, let's see:
Matthew 5[40] and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well;
[41] and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
[42] Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.

Matthew 6[2]"Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
[3] But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
[4] so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
[I hope you know what "alms" are]

Matthew 7[9] Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?
[10] Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? [11] If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
[12] So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.



Luke.21
[1]He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury;
[2] and he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins.
[3] And he said, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them;
[4] for they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all the living that she had."


The treasury in part helped the poor and widows, and what Jesus basically was saying is that we may have to go beyond just the tithing that was required by Jewish Law.

Most of the poor here in the states are commonly referred to as "working poor", namely those who have jobs but still live below the poverty line. What you have spouted above is just a hideous and unchristian stereotype of the poor. If everyone here had a ph.d. and was seeking a job, we would still have some families that are poor.

[continued]


You never explained what was the reason for the widow putting money into the treasure.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
You never explained what was the reason for the widow putting money into the treasure.
It fulfilled the Law on that but she went beyond even that requirement, at least part of which would go help the poor that was required under Jewish Law.

And why would you question this and not comment on the many verses I quoted and linked you to? Do you believe in the Bible or just in certain parts that you choose to accept? Do you believe in what Jesus taught or just some things about him?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Voting is not a "court of law", so one in a situation like this is stuck trying to decide which sources are more believable: these women who have nothing to gain from lying or Moore who has a record of dishonesty, which is why he was removed twice as judge, as well as having a record of following around young teens when he was in his 30's. Are you really willing to put a person like that into our national senate? Do you believe Jesus would really want you do do this by taking such a chance on someone with his record?

There was nothing proven about Roy Moore, Where's the proof, there was no conviction of Roy Moore. All there is, just a hear say, which will not stand up in a court of law. Anyone is innocent until proven guilty, Which Roy Was not found guilty on anything.

There is more sexual misconduct coming from democrate men and more Democrate men stepping down because of their sexual Scandals.
At lease Obama said one thing right, When he said there needs to be more women in politics than men.
Obama is right about that, seeing democrate men are found more in sexual misconduct, Than the men in the Republican party.
What's up with all that.

So you would put democrates into office which Supports everything that God and Christ Jesus stands against.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
It fulfilled the Law on that but she went beyond even that requirement, at least part of which would go help the poor that was required under Jewish Law.

And why would you question this and not comment on the many verses I quoted and linked you to? Do you believe in the Bible or just in certain parts that you choose to accept? Do you believe in what Jesus taught or just some things about him?


What was reason according to the sacrificial law, that the widow put money into the offering.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Well, let's see:
Matthew 5[40] and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well;
[41] and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
[42] Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.

Matthew 6[2]"Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
[3] But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
[4] so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
[I hope you know what "alms" are]

Matthew 7[9] Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?
[10] Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? [11] If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
[12] So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.



Luke.21
[1]He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury;
[2] and he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins.
[3] And he said, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them;
[4] for they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all the living that she had."


The treasury in part helped the poor and widows, and what Jesus basically was saying is that we may have to go beyond just the tithing that was required by Jewish Law.

Most of the poor here in the states are commonly referred to as "working poor", namely those who have jobs but still live below the poverty line. What you have spouted above is just a hideous and unchristian stereotype of the poor. If everyone here had a ph.d. and was seeking a job, we would still have some families that are poor.

[continued]


First of all the widow was not putting money into the treasure for the poor.

The widow was putting money into the treasure to buy her a animal for her sacrificial offering. That's what was required by the sacrificial law. If someone could not afford animal for their sacrificial offering then the money would be used for that purpose

Also for Christians there is no sacrificial offering, Christ Jesus being the Sacrificial offering, that there is no more sacrificial offering to be given.

As for the tithe there is no certain amount to be given. By the old testament it was required to give a tenth. But for Christians there is no certain amount to be given.
But yet alot of Christians will say, We don't go by the old testament, But yet they tithe, which is by the old testament, which they claim, they do not go by.

2 Corinthians 9:7 --"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly, or of necessity, for God loveth a cheerful giver"

Therefore, there is no certain amount to give for Christians. Only to give what they purpose in their heart.

Now as for the Alms, this not money, As some people thinks it is.

Alms is, Compassion, Mercy,
Beneficence, deeds.

As for Matthew 25:31--46, The question is, When does this all take place, According to what God has given in the book of
Revelation ?

In the book of Matthew 24:19 Christ Jesus speaking, saying, "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"

What does Christ Jesus mean by all of this and when does this all take place ?
 
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idav

Being
Premium Member
There was nothing proven about Roy Moore, Where's the proof, there was no conviction of Roy Moore. All there is, just a hear say, which will not stand up in a court of law. Anyone is innocent until proven guilty, Which Roy Was not found guilty on anything.

There is more sexual misconduct coming from democrate men and more Democrate men stepping down because of their sexual Scandals.
At lease Obama said one thing right, When he said there needs to be more women in politics than men.
Obama is right about that, seeing democrate men are found more in sexual misconduct, Than the men in the Republican party.
What's up with all that.

So you would put democrates into office which Supports everything that God and Christ Jesus stands against.
Thing about it is I don't normally see Democrats or Liberals getting high and mighty about certain sins or types of people being worse than others. It's conservatives which preach all the sin stuff yet they are the first to abandon their "morality" and voting for the worst president in US history. Anyone who votes for Trump while complaining about homosexuality is a hypocrite. A democrat is expected to step down while a Republican gets voted in, that is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Paul was one of these conservatives and he would have not voted for Jesus seeing how Jesus is a liberal in comparison. Had he actually known Jesus he would have known to tone it down more. It isn't like Paul didn't mention the things like love and the father god etc. He just didn't fully comprehend it from what I can tell, Paul was still struggling with sins of he flesh.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Thing about it is I don't normally see Democrats or Liberals getting high and mighty about certain sins or types of people being worse than others. It's conservatives which preach all the sin stuff yet they are the first to abandon their "morality" and voting for the worst president in US history. Anyone who votes for Trump while complaining about homosexuality is a hypocrite. A democrat is expected to step down while a Republican gets voted in, that is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Paul was one of these conservatives and he would have not voted for Jesus seeing how Jesus is a liberal in comparison. Had he actually known Jesus he would have known to tone it down more. It isn't like Paul didn't mention the things like love and the father god etc. He just didn't fully comprehend it from what I can tell, Paul was still struggling with sins of he flesh.

The reason why democrates don't get high and mighty about things, Why should they, There the ones that supports everything that is sin.
You have no idea what a hypocrite is in the first place.
Democrates are the worst to have no morals.
Your to funny, Jesus condemn everything that Democrates stand for. Democrates supports homosexualit and Jesus condemn homosexualit.
There are more Liberal democrates in sexual abuse of women than Republicans.

The democratic Party is on the way out, democrates are creating more and more Scandals than Republicans are.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
The reason why democrates don't get high and mighty about things, Why should they, There the ones that supports everything that is sin.
You have no idea what a hypocrite is in the first place.
Democrates are the worst to have no morals.
Your to funny, Jesus condemn everything that Democrates stand for. Democrates supports homosexualit and Jesus condemn homosexualit.
There are more Liberal democrates in sexual abuse of women than Republicans.

The democratic Party is on the way out, democrates are creating more and more Scandals than Republicans are.
Be my guest and show me the verse where Jesus mentions homosexuality.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Be my guest and show me the verse where Jesus mentions homosexuality.

You do know that Jesus is God in the flesh Right.
Therefore Jesus being God in the flesh, and All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God,. 2 Timothy 3:16.

So who do you suppose gave the inspiration to write the book of Leviticus to Moses ?
Therefore in Leviticus 20:13, homosexualit is an Abomination unto God.

Notice in referring to God as creating male and female in the beginning, that a man would leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife.
This doesn't leave much room for homosexualit now does it.

Matthew 19:4-5, "And he answered and said unto them, Have you not read, That He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they Twain shall be one flesh"

This doesn't leave much room for homosexualit now does it.
Therefore Jesus showing that it's a man and woman in Marriage, and not man and man nor woman and woman.

Therefore Jesus showing You as to where he stands with homosexualit.

Now it's your turn to show where Jesus supports homosexualit.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
You do know that Jesus is God in the flesh Right.
Therefore Jesus being God in the flesh, and All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God,. 2 Timothy 3:16.

So who do you suppose gave the inspiration to write the book of Leviticus to Moses ?
Therefore in Leviticus 20:13, homosexualit is an Abomination unto God.

Notice also what Jesus in referring to God as creating male and female in the beginning, that a man would leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife.
This doesn't leave much room for homosexualit now does it.

Matthew 19:4-5, "And he answered and said unto them, Have you not read, That He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they Twain shall be one flesh"

This doesn't leave much room for homosexualit now does it.
Therefore Jesus showing that it's a man and woman in Marriage, and not man and man nor woman and woman.

Therefore Jesus showing You as to where he stands with homosexualit.

Now it's your turn to show where Jesus supports homosexualit.
It doesn't exist because Jesus didn't mention homosexuality, just like Jesus being God which Jesus does not directly mention, it has to be twisted and extrapolated out of scripture.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
It doesn't exist because Jesus didn't mention homosexuality, just like Jesus being God which Jesus does not directly mention, it has to be twisted and extrapolated out of scripture.


Common Sense Would tell you, that God created them male and female in the beginning and that a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife.

This would tell you that Christ Jesus is against homosexualit. Otherwise Christ Jesus would not have said what he said about male and female being created in the beginning and that a man would cleave unto his wife. This doesn't leave much room for Homosexualit.

Seeing you haven't a idea or clue who Jesus is.
Like I said, You show one book and Chapter and Verses where Jesus supports homosexualit. Now your turn.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Common Sense Would tell you, that God created them male and female in the beginning and that a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife.

This would tell you that Christ Jesus is against homosexualit. Otherwise Christ Jesus would not have said what he said about male and female being created in the beginning and that a man would cleave unto his wife. This doesn't leave much room for Homosexualit.

Seeing you haven't a idea or clue who Jesus is.
Like I said, You show one book and Chapter and Verses where Jesus supports homosexualit. Now your turn.
The only common sense coming out of that is Paul allowing heterosexuals to marry but expects people who were created with a different orientation to be celibate. Being celibate is not at all healthy for anyone, that's why priests end up having so many issues trying to be something else that god did not create. You know it's going to come down to believing Christ over Paul. If it's just the act that is a sin, I known heterosexuals that do the same act.

If Paul had it his way guys wouldn't even touch women which is just preposterous, I am liable to throw everything of Paul's out. 1 Corinthians 7:1.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The only common sense coming out of that is Paul allowing heterosexuals to marry but expects people who were created with a different orientation to be celibate. Being celibate is not at all healthy for anyone, that's why priests end up having so many issues trying to be something else that god did not create. You know it's going to come down to believing Christ over Paul. If it's just the act that is a sin, I known heterosexuals that do the same act.

If Paul had it his way guys wouldn't even touch women which is just preposterous, I am liable to throw everything of Paul's out. 1 Corinthians 7:1.


What ever are you talking about.
I said it's your turn to show one book and chapter and verse, as to where Jesus supports homosexualit.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
What ever are you talking about.
I said it's your turn to show one book and chapter and verse, as to where Jesus supports homosexualit.
Jesus says even the the thought of sex is adultery so he would just about condemn all forms of sexual encounters. Marriage is allowe but Genesis is not enough to extrapolate since God also creates other genders.

See Luke 27:30-36 for a verse showing a man lieing in bed with another man and being saved.

""I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.""
 
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