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What Failure Do You Think the Bible's God Has had?
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Too many to count if one reads the Bible literally.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
The majority of the plots in the bible could have been avoided had God had some common sense.
Firstly the Biblical deity YHVH Elohim was seen in physical form... It gets angry, jealous, etc, and thus seems not to be the God Most High, which isn't prone to human emotions.
The Torah Laws are shockingly naive, like it didn't know reality was designed to have an equal, and opposite reaction for everything.
It expected more of its followers to understand, rather than be in a state of shock; after chastising them from nation to nation for two thousand years.
In my opinion.
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Bible God, far as I can gather by reading, God has failed to make a covenant man can keep. I think the making covenants is a big fail, so then God replaces "let's make a deal" with an eternal room to send us to where there will be torture forever, over getting worship. Hell is a parenting 101 fail. There are probably more but those are immediate to me.
Oh goodie: yet another juvenile bible-bashing thread trolling for endorsement.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What God has, is the failure to communicate.
There is nothing juvenile about this. This is yet another battle in a cultural war in which the Christian church is attempting to impose its values on non-Christians, and people are beginning to push back in increasing numbers.
Already on the first page of this thread we've got a Christian accepting that devastation of the earth is acceptable if it is God's choice. That's a dangerous attitude, and a dangerous moral theory. It is incumbent upon all decent, reasoning people to resist such ideas and the institution that promulgates them.
What seems to widely misunderstood is that anti-theism is a reaction to bad religion. When the problem has subsided, so will anti-theism. You don't see a lot of blow-back directed at the sects like the Druids and Wiccans that represent no threat to anybody that isn't a Druid or a Wiccan.
Back to the failures of the biblical god, which includes the failures of the Bible if one considers the Bible to have been authored by that god. The Bible is replete with internal contradictions, unkept promises, failed prophecy, intellectual and moral errors attributed to a perfect god, and errors of science and history.
The biblical god fails at the outset when a third of his angels rebel against Him and have to be evicted from heaven.
Then He fails again when he desires to create an obedient race of man, but all He gets are sinners.
He fails morally when He tosses his master demon onto earth. He failed in the Garden of Eden when He left two naive children still this side of the knowledge of good and evil unattended, with a juicy apple and a serpent to tempt them.
This god fails again wiith the Great Flood, wherein He ostensibly regrets His error with man and wants a do-over, but remarkably, uses the same breeding stock, and chooses the grossly immoral path of a great drowning, not just of man, but of countless innocent beasts. Imagine them on the highest ground left, craning upward for the last breath of air before their lungs fill with water as they die in terror.
Then this god had another massive moral failure with Job.
One could go on for a long time like this.
And yes, to those who are willing to offer this kind of thing as evidence of moral and intellectual perfection, some of us have a different idea that we choose to express.
If this is what you mean by trolling, then mea culpa.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
I selected other;
A failure to exist.
A failure to exist.
A total lack of empathy (flood, exodus, conquests, Job etc.) followed by descent into irrationality (Jesus) and then to manic violence (Revelations). That about covers it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
For someone so remarkably full of criticism to offer, you seem to run from it if it touches a personal nerve. When a book considers a man who offered his daughters for gang raping a "righteous man," it is in need of criticism. If it permits slavery, its criticism is due. "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones" is something that must be addressed and held accountable by believers, not dismissed as "gods ways are mysterious, beyond us, and it's whatever he wants" or "juvenile Bible-bashing." And not just morality, but the Bible is also rife with historical, scientific, psychological, and mathematical errors. Such as the rabbit, an animal the Bible erroneously says is an animal that chews its cud.
Presuming we're speaking of the one-god of the Abrahamic traditions, I feel that this deity's biggest failure is one of appeal. Supposedly, the idea is for every human on the planet to adore and worship this one-god. Except the manner in which this one-god is conceived and sung about fails at appealing to everyone. Very early on in life, as I was learning about a Catholic take on the one-god in particular, I just found it boring. It wasn't inspiring, it wasn't interesting. It still isn't. If it's the expectation of this deity to have everyone worship it, it's got a long way to go before it appeals to every human on the planet. Hinduism did a better job of creating a framework for universal appeal than the Abrahamics did.
Yes, and I am wondering why some people don't seem to understand that such things have zero use, particularly coming from anonymous people. The cultural 'War' is supposed to stop at RF door. RF is here so religious people can get to know each other. Some people seem to think we're here as a platform to do battle against religion or for religion, and we aren't. No positive progress is made through combat.
That would be the discussion and interfaith section...
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Maybe write a new Bible that doesn't make it so darn easy to have a bash at?
Jeremiah Ames
Well-Known Member
It does appear like bible bashing when you offer up stories such as these to make the Bible seem evil, when you don’t understand the messages. If you did some research on the verses and topics you mentioned, what you find may surprise. There is too much to respond to in your comment, however I will say that the babies dashed against the rocks is part of a big picture. If you read it all, study it and understand the message you would discover that “babies dashed against rocks” was the exact opposite of what God was seeking. It was the sinful character of man, in disobedience to God’s command that was coming through. God’s character can be found in the Bible, but much of what is written there is man’s character. It’s not hard to separate the flawed human from the just God if you spend some time.
Just because something is written does not mean it’s God’s desire. Also, when someone responds that “God’s ways are mysterious “, that is a sure sign they do not know the Bible very well.