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For Christians. Was the flood real or just a myth?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Love is a catalyst that effects peoples lives directly.
the bible speaks of how it effects humanity and was written by human hands.
Judgment and Hope
66 This is what the Lord says:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Where is the house, you will build for me?
Where will my resting place be?
2 Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.

The last time I looked around it was only humans who write, so who else on Earth could have written Scripture.
I do like how you connected: judgement with hope.
Many people I find connect judgement with ' adverse ' judgement, whereas the figurative humble ' sheep' of Matthew 25:31-33,37 will receive a ' favorable ' judgement at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth.

Love, according to Jesus' NEW commandment of John 13:34-35, shows how 'Christ-like self-sacrificing love' affects humanity.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You have not addressed the lack of physical evidence that would certainly be left by such a flood.
Unless you can account for that, no amount of scribblings by ignorant savages can bring your myth into the realm of things that have actually taken place.
As far as your vile threats go, I "reck" them not a bean, as Chaucer would say.

I find high mountains and low valleys are physical evidence.
Surely anything perishable would have perished in the Flood, but old pre-flood artifacts could be found.
I find Matthew 24:37 is No threat, vile or otherwise, but just information for us in order to make a decision.
A decision in favor of love for God and neighbor if we want to be part of the humble meek to inherit the Earth.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
If one has an open mind and investigates this myth it soon becomes obvious that it never happened. You appear to be describing yourself when you talk about people having a close mind.

If our mind is so open that our brains fall out, then I see that as something detrimental. o_O

What you fail to understand is the power of faith in the words of the Creator. The Bible is to me, of greater value than the changing assumptions of men, whose intellect is equivalent to a grasshopper according to the Bible. I see men trying to be the smartest grasshopper and it just makes me smile. Egos the size of Texas! You assume a lot but "know" very little in the big picture IMO.

In my experience, there is no one more close minded, and with less real evidence, than evolutionists....the smartest grasshoppers in existence. :rolleyes: Could there possibly be things that men of science will never see or comprehend because they lack a particular quality....a kind of 'blindness' that does not allow them to "see" what believers see? (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

Are you curious to learn how we know that there was no flood? Or is your mind closed?

I am curious to know why you think grasshoppers know more than the Creator. :D Is your mind as closed as you think mine is? :shrug:
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If our mind is so open that our brains fall out, then I see that as something detrimental. o_O

What you fail to understand is the power of faith in the words of the Creator. The Bible is to me, of greater value than the changing assumptions of men, whose intellect is equivalent to a grasshopper according to the Bible. I see men trying to be the smartest grasshopper and it just makes me smile. Egos the size of Texas!

In my experience, there is no one more close minded, and with less real evidence, than evolutionists....the smartest grasshoppers in existence. :rolleyes: Could there possibly be things that men of science will never see or comprehend because they lack a particular quality....a kind of 'blindness' that does not allow them to "see" what believers see? (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)



I am curious to know why you think grasshoppers know more than the Creator. :D Is your mind as closed as you think mine is? :shrug:
Please, don't accuse others of your sins. And please, don't ask foolish questions if you don't want people to think that you are a fool.

Let me remind you that you are the one that believes in magic and denies reality. Plus the"power of faith " is the power of self deception. I can help you to learn, but you need to be honest.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
In Bible speak, 'so to speak', it speaks of ' kinds ' meaning that there is variety within the species.
The variety would Not be necessary, but just a representation within each ' kind '.

I saw a TV documentary using a bathtub with a miniature exact reproduction of the Ark.
No matter how much the water was churned and whipped up they could Not topple the Ark.
Also, since all the Ark had to do was float it did Not have to be seaworthy for steering to go anywhere.
So what?__Are you familiar with the square/cube law?
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Yipes, Noah & sons spend Not months but many 'decades' building that Ark. ( could easily have been 50 'years' )
There was No need to to create a who new batch of animals Nor new humans.
God purpose of Genesis 1:28 is that we all be descendants from father Adam and mother Eve.
No need for God to change his purpose, but to protect the righteous on Earth.
Not every animal pair, but pairs within the animal ' kinds ' so such variety at that time would Not be necessary.
The Bible does Not say how long each creative day was, nor does it say if each of the creative days were of the same length of time, or differing lengths of time. The word ' day ' in Scripture has shades of meaning.
For example: all the creative days are summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.

Yet another reason none of it makes sense. No one can agree on what the silly book says, which makes it basically useless.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Post #169 answers many of your questions. Perhaps you closed your mind when you were 7 or 8 years old and never opened it again? Closed mindedness never gets to the bottom of anything. Opening our minds to possibilities that we may have dismissed decades ago, on further investigation may enlighten us about many things. You should try it. :)

Creation was not done with a snap of anyone's fingers. It was a slow and very deliberate process taking thousands if not millions of years. The earth itself is perhaps billions of years old. Genesis allows for this. Creation is not as cut and dried as many assume.

Yeah, that's another reason none of it makes any sense. No one can agree on what this book actually says, making it rather worthless.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Please, don't accuse others of your sins. And please, don't ask foolish questions if you don't want people to think that you are a fool.

Let me remind you that you are the one that believes in magic and denies reality. Plus the"power of faith " is the power of self deception. I can help you to learn, but you need to be honest.

Thank you for proving my point. :D
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Worse yet, even though they do not know it, believers like Deeje and company are calling their God a liar.

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And next comes the emotional stuff.....so predictable. Egos the size of Texas. :rolleyes:

What do you care what I believe?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You are projecting again .. But like I said, you call your god a liar and you don't realizr it.

What a pathetic response. :rolleyes:

If you are an atheist, how I feel about my God is incomprehensible to you. You are not qualified to comment since we each have a completely different belief system.....the only difference is not "proof", but the failure to identify what you believe as a "belief".....you somehow imagine that you have 'facts' to back up your beliefs, when you don't. You have very few provable facts for any of it, you have way more unprovable assumptions. Your beliefs hinge on the next change in scientific thinking. Not very reliable, is it?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What a pathetic response. :rolleyes:

If you are an atheist, how I feel about my God is incomprehensible to you. You are not qualified to comment since we each have a completely different belief system.....the only difference is not "proof", but the failure to identify what you believe as a "belief".....you somehow imagine that you have 'facts' to back up your beliefs, when you don't. You have very few provable facts for any of it, you have way more unprovable assumptions. Your beliefs hinge on the next change in scientific thinking. Not very reliable, is it?
Please, Deeje, I have been more than patient with you. I used to be a Christian so there is no reason that I can't understand what you feel.

Unlike you I can think logically so I can see how you keep calling your God a liar. I said that you did not realize that you were doing so. And you confirmed my claim. A wise person would try to find out how they are calling their God a liar.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Please, Deeje, I have been more than patient with you. I used to be a Christian so there is no reason that I can't understand what you feel.

Oh I see, you are speaking from experience? But you really do not understand what I feel because you have never believed what I believe. I am not a creationist (YEC).....so the fact that I used to be an evolutionist makes us about equal I suppose? :D I have good reasons for why I believe as I do.....probably like you do. We each have the assumption that the other is wrong......one of us is. Time will tell, I guess.

Unlike you I can think logically so I can see how you keep calling your God a liar.

I can think as logically as anyone. The Bible appeals to my logic way more than the so-called science that you apparently hang onto. You cannot prove that there wasn't a flood that inundated the whole world of Noah's time. How populated was that world exactly.....do you know? Have you any idea of its topography? Were the mountains as high as they are now....were the valleys in the ocean floor as deep? Science guesses about these things....because it has no real proof of anything much. You treat speculation as fact. I don't.

I said that you did not realize that you were doing so. And you confirmed my claim. A wise person would try to find out how they are calling their God a liar.

A wise person already knows what they believe and why they believe it. You have nothing to prove to me because I have already done my research. I have explored science's claims extensively and been greatly disappointed in those who purport to be well informed about matters of science, only to find them victims of the power of suggestion, like everyone else. This is what people like you don't realize. You point out what you believe are the flaws in the thinking of others without recognizing the flaws in your own. :oops:

My God is not a liar and your phony evidence will never make him into one.

I have no desire to continue this conversation. There is no point.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Oh I see, you are speaking from experience? But you really do not understand what I feel because you have never believed what I believe. I am not a creationist (YEC).....so the fact that I used to be an evolutionist makes us about equal I suppose? :D I have good reasons for why I believe as I do.....probably like you do. We each have the assumption that the other is wrong......one of us is. Time will tell, I guess.

Probably not. I was probably never as lost as you are. And though you may have accepted the theory of evolution your questions indicate that you have no understanding of the theory at all. Your questions shout your ignorance. You really should try to understand the theory that you hate so much.


I can think as logically as anyone. The Bible appeals to my logic way more than the so-called science that you apparently hang onto. You cannot prove that there wasn't a flood that inundated the whole world of Noah's time. How populated was that world exactly.....do you know? Have you any idea of its topography? Were the mountains as high as they are now....were the valleys in the ocean floor as deep? Science guesses about these things....because it has no real proof of anything much. You treat speculation as fact. I don't.

Sorry, but when your religion is at stake you clearly cannot. And no, the Bible appeals to your emotions and especially to your fears. And I can prove that there was no flood that inundated the world. But then you probably do not even understand the concept of evidence.

A wise person already knows what they believe and why they believe it. You have nothing to prove to me because I have already done my research. I have explored science's claims extensively and been greatly disappointed in those who purport to be well informed about matters of science, only to find them victims of the power of suggestion, like everyone else. This is what people like you don't realize. You point out what you believe are the flaws in the thinking of others without recognizing the flaws in your own. :oops:

So not you then. And you really should not bear false witness against your neighbors. There is even a Commandment about that.

My God is not a liar and your phony evidence will never make him into one.

My evidence is real and undeniable. Once again you merely demonstrate that you do not understand the concept of evidence and are very very afraid.

I have no desire to continue this conversation. There is no point.

That is because you deep down inside you know that you are wrong. That is your fear speaking to you again. A wise person knows why they believe what they believe. You are afraid to learn, that keeps you from being wise.

Deeje, your actions speak much louder than your words. Avoiding a discussion tells us that you are afraid that you are wrong.
 
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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
I personally feel that I am in no position to rule out the possibility that
aliens loyal to God may have been involved?

Spirituality

"What about beings from other planets, do you think they visit here?

Daniel 4:17

"This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

A pretty astonishing UFO event took place over the Temple Mount on January 28, 2011. It was filmed from several directions.

I can't understand why you think anything having to do with aliens, - is associated with an earth created God.

The consensus of most Christian scholars is that the watchers means angels.

Below is one of those.

"(4.) The truth of it is confirmed (Dan_4:17); This matter is by the decree of the watchers and the demand by the word of the holy ones. God has determined it, as a righteous Judge; he has signed this edict; pursuant to his eternal counsel, the decree has gone forth, And, [1.] The angels of heaven have subscribed to it, as attesting it, approving it, and applauding it. It is by the decree of the watchers; not that the great God needs the counsel or concurrence of the angels in any thing he determines or does, but, as he uses their ministration in executing his counsels, so he is sometimes represented, after the manner of men, as if he consulted them." - Matthew Henry's Commentary On The Whole Bible

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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Yet another reason none of it makes sense. No one can agree on what the silly book says, which makes it basically useless.
Here is where Luke 10:21 can enlighten a person; only the “Father”, not Jesus, reveals truth from His Word. If you’re not obedient to Him, and worshipping Him exclusively (Exodus 20:1-5), not only will you not understand what it’s really saying...it will be “concealed” from you.

Getting into another topic, though. I think I’ll start a Thread on this important subject!
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Here is where Luke 10:21 can enlighten a person; only the “Father”, not Jesus, reveals truth from His Word. If you’re not obedient to Him, and worshipping Him exclusively (Exodus 20:1-5), not only will you not understand what it’s really saying...it will be “concealed” from you.

Getting into another topic, though. I think I’ll start a Thread on this important subject!
There is not even an implication that God would conceal understanding from others there. But it is nice to know that you believe your God to be immoral.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Here is where Luke 10:21 can enlighten a person; only the “Father”, not Jesus, reveals truth from His Word. If you’re not obedient to Him, and worshipping Him exclusively (Exodus 20:1-5), not only will you not understand what it’s really saying...it will be “concealed” from you.

Getting into another topic, though. I think I’ll start a Thread on this important subject!

That's great... except you have hundreds of different Christian sects ALL claiming that THEY have properly interpreted His Word, while all of the OTHER sects have it wrong. As an outsider looking in it certainly appears as if people are capable of interpreting His Word virtually any way that they want, which leads me to believe that the bible isn't any different than the 1000's of other religious texts that have been written over the centuries.
 
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