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Did the writers of Genesis have outside help?

Did the writers of Genesis have outside help?


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james dixon

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Did the writers of Genesis have outside help?

Genesis was written in the 10th century BCE, before mankind discovered the size of the oceans or the continents and yet the accuracy of this timeline is amazing.

Scholars in the first half of the 20th century came to the conclusion that the Yahwist was produced in the monarchic period, specifically at the court of Solomon, 10th century BCE, and the Priestly work in the middle of the 5th century BCE (the author was even identified as Ezra), but more recent thinking is that the ...

Book of Genesis - Wikipedia

Genesis 1-2New International Version (NIV)

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Do you think the writers of Genesis had outside help formulating its content-?


DESIDERATA –

You Are A Child Of The Universe - original version

https://youtu.be/PNq_DTmVCWs
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What are you talking about? Genesis is incredibly inaccurate and wrong. It describes the Earth as a flat plane with a solid "firmament" over it. At best you are simply reinterpreting the book in light of today's knowledge. Don't worry, Muslims commit the same error when it comes to the Quran. I am sure there are some Hindus that take their holy books literally and they too will do this.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Did the writers of Genesis have outside help?

Genesis was written in the 10th century BCE, before mankind discovered the size of the oceans or the continents and yet the accuracy of this timeline is amazing.

Scholars in the first half of the 20th century came to the conclusion that the Yahwist was produced in the monarchic period, specifically at the court of Solomon, 10th century BCE, and the Priestly work in the middle of the 5th century BCE (the author was even identified as Ezra), but more recent thinking is that the ...

Book of Genesis - Wikipedia

Genesis 1-2New International Version (NIV)

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Adam and Eve

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[b] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[c] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[d] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[e] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[f] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[g] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[h] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[i] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”


24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.\

Do you think the writers of Genesis had outside help formulating its content-?


DESIDERATA –

You Are A Child Of The Universe - original version

https://youtu.be/PNq_DTmVCWs
All story is rooted in other story. It's like saying homo Sapiens became homo Sapiens June 3rd. It's kind of absurdist actually and a rather uninformed view of story and nature all combined. It's informed but certainly self informed. I find this whole approach to ancient texts silly. The individuals are not even aware of morphology of language and at best they might be aware but certainly are throwing fantasy darts. I have a total disdain for the entire "scholar" crap here. Projection of now, backwards is all it is.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
All story is rooted in other story. It's like saying homo Sapiens became homo Sapiens June 3rd. It's kind of absurdist actually and a rather uninformed view of story and nature all combined. It's informed but certainly self informed. I find this whole approach to ancient texts silly. The individuals are not even aware of morphology of language and at best they might be aware but certainly are throwing fantasy darts. I have a total disdain for the entire "scholar" crap here. Projection of now, backwards is all it is.

Genesis was written 1,000 years ago. That was before the term "morphology" was a word. Since you have a " total disdain for the entire "scholar" crap here "I must ask, why in the hell are you here?

On a side note, the Devil lurks in the shadows only to appear when every ones back is turned and then slither back into the dark after the devilish deed is done.
 
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David T

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Premium Member
Genesis was written 1,000 years ago. That was before the term "morphology" was a word. Since you have a total disdain for the entire "scholar" crap here I must ask, why in the hell are you here?
To mock it. Like comic con!!! A kind of fantasy EU. Where everyday we have new deep narrative about narrative about narrative. Yesterdays scholars were wrong we have new insight.. Oops that was 1 hour ago. Oops just in oh never mind it's dated already.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What are you talking about? Genesis is incredibly inaccurate and wrong. It describes the Earth as a flat plane with a solid "firmament" over it. At best you are simply reinterpreting the book in light of today's knowledge. Don't worry, Muslims commit the same error when it comes to the Quran. I am sure there are some Hindus that take their holy books literally and they too will do this.

When it comes to Muslims I could care less what you say. A lie is a lie no matter how many times you repeat it. Dumb Trump should know this by now but retarded children are slow learners.

But you are right, I simply reinterpreting the book in light of today's knowledge. Your error was posting here in the first place. Please close the door on your way out. :)-
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
When it comes to Muslims I could care less what you say. A lie is a lie no matter how many times you repeat it. Dumb Trump should know this by now but retarded children are slow learners.

But you are right, I simply reinterpreting the book in light of today's knowledge. Your error was posting here in the first place. Please close the door on your way out. :)-
What does that matter? They believe a lie and you believe a lie. Also your logic skills need work. You just said that it matters to you what I say.

You need to do quite a bit of work.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Did the writers of Genesis have outside help?

Genesis was written in the 10th century BCE, before mankind discovered the size of the oceans or the continents and yet the accuracy of this timeline is amazing.

Scholars in the first half of the 20th century came to the conclusion that the Yahwist was produced in the monarchic period, specifically at the court of Solomon, 10th century BCE, and the Priestly work in the middle of the 5th century BCE (the author was even identified as Ezra), but more recent thinking is that the ...

Book of Genesis - Wikipedia

Genesis 1-2New International Version (NIV)

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Do you think the writers of Genesis had outside help formulating its content-?

By the evidence it is an edited, redacted compilation probably first written, and . . . "modern scholars increasingly see them as a product of the 6th and 5th centuries BC." From Book of Genesis - Wikipedia.

Yes, the older material of much of the Pentateuch contain Canaanite, Ugarit, and Babylonian text and myths.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Genesis was written 1,000 years ago. That was before the term "morphology" was a word. Since you have a " total disdain for the entire "scholar" crap here "I must ask, why in the hell are you here?

On a side note, the Devil lurks in the shadows only to appear when every ones back is turned and then slither back into the dark after the devilish deed is done.

I missed this. So Genesis was written 1,000 years after the crucifixion? Are you sure about that?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What are you talking about? Genesis is incredibly inaccurate and wrong. It describes the Earth as a flat plane with a solid "firmament" over it. At best you are simply reinterpreting the book in light of today's knowledge. Don't worry, Muslims commit the same error when it comes to the Quran. I am sure there are some Hindus that take their holy books literally and they too will do this.

I don't believe it is as innacurate as you think. Remember he was creating Heaven and Earth. The flat plane above is heaven, the flat plane is the sea of glass. That's why it seems like God created some things twice.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Did the writers of Genesis have outside help?

Genesis was written in the 10th century BCE, before mankind discovered the size of the oceans or the continents and yet the accuracy of this timeline is amazing.

Scholars in the first half of the 20th century came to the conclusion that the Yahwist was produced in the monarchic period, specifically at the court of Solomon, 10th century BCE, and the Priestly work in the middle of the 5th century BCE (the author was even identified as Ezra), but more recent thinking is that the ...

Book of Genesis - Wikipedia

Genesis 1-2New International Version (NIV)

The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Do you think the writers of Genesis had outside help formulating its content-?


DESIDERATA –

You Are A Child Of The Universe - original version

https://youtu.be/PNq_DTmVCWs
Um. No. Genesis was not written in the 10th century bce.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Produce the verse before you leave :)-
Several verses If interpreted literal may indicate that the Old Testament describes an archaic flat earth view such as: Psalm 75:3 “When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm.

The problem with the Pentateuch and the Psalms is that they contain sections and redacted portions from older materials. compilations
 

siti

Well-Known Member
I don't believe it is as innacurate as you think. Remember he was creating Heaven and Earth. The flat plane above is heaven, the flat plane is the sea of glass. That's why it seems like God created some things twice.
Well I'm glad we've cleared that up! :confused:
 

Kemosloby

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Premium Member
Well I'm glad we've cleared that up! :confused:

The sea of glass always was clear.

Rev 4:6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Several verses If interpreted literal may indicate that the Old Testament describes an archaic flat earth view such as: Psalm 75:3 “When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm.

The problem with the Pentateuch and the Psalms is that they contain sections and redacted portions from older materials. compilations
Isaiah 40:22 says the Earth is round. The Hebrew word there is "chug", which can mean ball, or sphere.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Isaiah 40:22 says the Earth is round. The Hebrew word there is "chug", which can mean ball, or sphere.

As I said, "Several verses If interpreted literal may indicate. . .", the problem is the Old Testament is it a compilation of often conflicting texts, and ancient world views of the cosmos, such as Genesis.

Maybe a globe held up by pillars?
 
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