A challenge to all Christians

[Sanzbir]

A link between the serpent of Genesis 3 and Satan, or the devil, is given in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2: they are one and the same.

‘And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world’

That's even dumber.

You are aware there is more than one snake in the universe, right??

You are aware that not every reference in the Bible to a snake is the exact same snake, right??

Do you honestly believe this is a good link??

Do you also believe that Moses transformed his staff into Satan??

You must see how ridiculous and dumb that argument is.

Satan is God's primary challenger. In Genesis Satan was disguised as a serpent.

Genesis 2:16 says when Adam eats the fruit he will die and not at some later date.
Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."

The KJV is more specific, in/on that day Adam eats the fruit he will die.
Genesis 2:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So basically you are picking and choosing the translation that translates as "in the day" rather than the translation that translates the same word as "when", because that fits the narrative you want to craft.

Sorry, King James is a garbage translation and i'll trust NIV's version over that every day of the week.

 

[Sanzbir]

Not at all. I am applying my Biblical scholarship on religious forums to get feedback for my thesis.

Thesis relies on the erroneous notion that every reference to a snake must be a reference to the same snake and relies on choosing the inferior KJV just because it vaguely supports one component of the thesis.

Thesis needs extreme work. You probably shouldn't start out with edgy sounding conclusions and try to work backwards to later support it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

How am I taking things out of context.
1. Adam and Eve did not commit the original sin.
That is what I said. It was God who committed the first sin. God lied to Adam and he caused death by killing animals to make skin garments for Adam and Eve.

2. What is death?
Die definition, to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead.

3. God never told Adam and Eve that they would die, right at the very moment of eating from the tree.

Read verse.
Genesis 2:17 KJV: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God told Adam in/on the day he ate the fruit he would surely die. No, ifs or buts. If God just said don't eat the fruit or you will die, then no timeframe was included. But God was specific in/on when you eat the fruit you will surely die.

In any case, the meaning of ‘day’ in Genesis 1 is defined by the context there—the Hebrew word for day, yôm ‫יום ‬, is used with the words ‘evening’ and ‘morning’, and the days are numbered (first day, second day, etc.). Whenever yôm is used in such a context, it is always an ordinary day, never a long period of time. The meaning of the days of creation as ordinary days is also affirmed by Exodus 20:8–11, where God told the Israelites to work for six days and rest on the seventh because God had made all things in six days and rested on the seventh. For more information, see other articles in Q&A: Genesis under ‘Days of Creation’.

4. Forth Satan himself is not in this world, Satan's Spirit is in the world, but not Satan personally himself.

2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT. Satan who is God of the world.
A further tie-up between the serpent of Genesis 3 and Satan, or the devil, is given in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2:
‘And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world’
The word ‘Satan" means ‘adversary’—primarily to God, secondarily to men; the term ‘devil’ signifies ‘slanderer’ of God to men, and of men to God.’2

Have you any idea when the original sin happen, it wasn't at the time of Adam and Eve either.

I ask you, Who is death, What is the name of death.

If to what your trying to say, Then where is Satan if he's here in this world. It's Satan is not here in this world, otherwise we would be able to see Satan, So where's Satan at.

When God told Adam in the day you eat of the tree you shall die, But not at that exact time.
Adam and Eve did die at a later time. But they did die.

The two trees, what were they to Represent?

 

[Kenny]

God confirmed what the serpent had told Eve, their eyes would be opened and they would become like God. Becoming like God is hardly spiritual death.
Genesis 3:4 you will certainly not die. 5 For God knows when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will become like God.

I disagree with your intepretation. They were aleady like God and didn't need to know evil. Remember, scirpture says that Eve was deceived. There was a deception in that statement because they were already like God and didn't need to know wevilf

Die definition, to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead.

Adam and Eve did not die (to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead) after eating the forbidden fruit.

That is man's definition and you didn't acknowledge that the original word is PLURAL. Man's definition is singular. Is it because you don't really want an aswer?

Adam and Eve continued to worship and thank the lord for their children. They even taught theur children to make offerings to a God. And God continued to communicate with Adam and Eve and their family.

No relevance.

A day in Genesis is normal 24 hour day. A day is divided into light and darkness. There is the light (day time) and the darkness (night). The concept of a day being like a 1000 years was alluded by Peter who was using the example from Psalms.we are talking about Genesis.

After sin... yes. Before sin... no. And has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Why are you bringing up a different subject?

And why didn't you acknowlege the reality that man has three parts but is one person made in the likeness of God?

 

[Faithofchristian]

How am I taking things out of context.
1. Adam and Eve did not commit the original sin.
That is what I said. It was God who committed the first sin. God lied to Adam and he caused death by killing animals to make skin garments for Adam and Eve.

2. What is death?
Die definition, to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead.

3. God never told Adam and Eve that they would die, right at the very moment of eating from the tree.

Read verse.
Genesis 2:17 KJV: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God told Adam in/on the day he ate the fruit he would surely die. No, ifs or buts. If God just said don't eat the fruit or you will die, then no timeframe was included. But God was specific in/on when you eat the fruit you will surely die.

In any case, the meaning of ‘day’ in Genesis 1 is defined by the context there—the Hebrew word for day, yôm ‫יום ‬, is used with the words ‘evening’ and ‘morning’, and the days are numbered (first day, second day, etc.). Whenever yôm is used in such a context, it is always an ordinary day, never a long period of time. The meaning of the days of creation as ordinary days is also affirmed by Exodus 20:8–11, where God told the Israelites to work for six days and rest on the seventh because God had made all things in six days and rested on the seventh. For more information, see other articles in Q&A: Genesis under ‘Days of Creation’.

4. Forth Satan himself is not in this world, Satan's Spirit is in the world, but not Satan personally himself.

2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT. Satan who is God of the world.
A further tie-up between the serpent of Genesis 3 and Satan, or the devil, is given in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2:
‘And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world’
The word ‘Satan" means ‘adversary’—primarily to God, secondarily to men; the term ‘devil’ signifies ‘slanderer’ of God to men, and of men to God.’2

It's easy to see, that you don't have a clue or idea what your talking about.

 

[Harikrish]

I would give you a C, about average.

What do you think is missing in my presentation? I don't post here so the relationship/association is missing. I thought I was very thorough in the details, polite and enthusiastic.

 

[Kemosloby]

What do you think is missing in my presentation? I don't post here so the relationship/association is missing. I thought I was very thorough in the details, polite and enthusiastic.

Most importantly the truth is missing in your presentation.

 

[Harikrish]

It's easy to see, that you don't have a clue or idea what your talking about.

You haven't offered any scriptures to back your arguments. The scriptures I offered cannot be refuted because the are straight out of the Bible.

According to genesis 2:16 God told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil for when he ate it he would die.

The talking serpent corrects Eve understanding about the poisonous tree of knowledge.
Genesis 3:Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, "You must not eat from any tree in the garden"?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, "You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.""

4 "You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Eve's dilemma. Who spoke the truth God or the serpent?

1. Eat the fobidden fruit and you will die according to God to Adam.
2. Eat from it and their eyes will be opened and they will be like God knowing good and evil according to the serpent to,Eve.

Eve ate the forbidden fruit and gave some to Adam.
1. The first thing they noticed was their eyes were opened exactly as the serpent told Eve. Check, serpent is right!
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

2. They did not die after eating the forbidden fruit. So God was lying. Check Serpent was right again! God confirms they are alive.
Genesis 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

3. God confirms in scriptures He was lying because He offers the same explanation as the serpent offered to Eve :" Eat from it and your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil."

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

God goes a step further and stops Adam and Eve from reaching out to take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

So not only were Adam send Eve created as mortals. They were now denied access to the tree of life which would have allowed them to live forever. They certainly did not die as God had warned, in fact he said they would continue to live and work which totally contradicted his warning that they would die if they ate the forbidden fruit.

 

[Harikrish]

Most importantly the truth is missing in your presentation.

The truth is Adam and Eve did not die from eating the forbidden fruit. They went on to live another 930 years. So God was lying.
God confirmed their eyes were opened and they became like God knowing good and evil. That is exactly what the serpent said.
They died of old age and not from something they ate 900 years ago. Even here God had to deny them access to the tree of life (second tree) which would have allowed them to live forever. So the first tree did not kill them as God promised.
It is the same story with every one of God's interventions. They all end in failure. He sent Jesus to save the Jews, Jesus was crucified and the Jews slaughtered by the Romans.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

 

[Harikrish]

It's easy to see, that you don't have a clue or idea what your talking about.

You haven't offered any scriptures to back your arguments. The scriptures I offered cannot be refuted because the are straight out of the Bible.

According to genesis 2:16 God told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil for when he ate it he would die.

The talking serpent corrects Eve understanding about the poisonous tree of knowledge.
Genesis 3:Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, "You must not eat from any tree in the garden"?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, "You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.""

4 "You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Eve's dilemma. Who spoke the truth God or the serpent?

1. Eat the fobidden fruit and you will die according to God to Adam.
2. Eat from it and their eyes will be opened and they will be like God knowing good and evil according to the serpent to,Eve.

Eve ate the forbidden fruit and gave some to Adam.
1. The first thing they noticed was their eyes were opened exactly as the serpent told Eve. Check, serpent is right!
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

2. They did not die after eating the forbidden fruit. So God was lying. Check Serpent was right again!
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

3. God confirms in scriptures He was lying because He offers the same explanation as the serpent offered to Eve :" Eat from it and your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil."

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

God goes a step further and stops Adam and Eve from reaching out to take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

So not only were Adam send Eve created as mortals. They were now denied access to the tree of life which would have allowed them to live forever. They certainly did not die as God had warned, in fact he said they would continue to live and work which totally contradicted his warning that they would die if they ate the forbidden fruit.

 

[Harikrish]

I disagree with your intepretation. They were aleady like God and didn't need to know evil. Remember, scirpture says that Eve was deceived. There was a deception in that statement because they were already like God and didn't need to know wevilf


That is man's definition and you didn't acknowledge that the original word is PLURAL. Man's definition is singular. Is it because you don't really want an aswer?


No relevance.


After sin... yes. Before sin... no. And has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Why are you bringing up a different subject?

And why didn't you acknowlege the reality that man has three parts but is one person made in the likeness of God?

Adam and Eve were created dumb and naked. God put more knowledge in the tree than in Adam and Eve. It is only after they ate from the tree of knowledge that their eyes were opened. God even repeats what the serpent said. Note: God said man has NOW become like us (after eating the fruit).
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

So the first sin committed was by God lying to Adam and Eve which the serpent easily dismissed. The second is creating death by killing the animals to make skin garments for them and by deny them access to the tree of life which would have allowed them to live forever.

Some Christian commentaries go as far as to say all animals first created were herbivorous. God then gave permission to Adam send Eve to eat all things including meat.

 

[Harikrish]

That's even dumber.

You are aware there is more than one snake in the universe, right??

You are aware that not every reference in the Bible to a snake is the exact same snake, right??

Do you honestly believe this is a good link??

Do you also believe that Moses transformed his staff into Satan??

You must see how ridiculous and dumb that argument is.



So basically you are picking and choosing the translation that translates as "in the day" rather than the translation that translates the same word as "when", because that fits the narrative you want to craft.

Sorry, King James is a garbage translation and i'll trust NIV's version over that every day of the week.

Yes there are many references to snakes and serpents in the bible. But there are only two reference to the Genesis serpent linked to Satan

A link between the serpent of Genesis 3 and Satan, or the devil, is given in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2: they are one and the same.


Rev 12:9 ‘And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world’

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Satan is God primary challenger. In Genesis Satan was disguised as a serpent.

Both when and in the day are referring to day and time. Eg. It will happen when you eat the fruit, not before and not after.
In/on the day you eat the fruit you will die. A year has many days. But in/on the day narrows it to that particular and specific day in the calendar year.
I try to use NIV which is the default and the KJV which some prefer because it is one of the oldest. The real work is textual criticism which biblical scholars are taught. I am a biblical scholar working on my thesis.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You haven't offered any scriptures to back your arguments. The scriptures I offered cannot be refuted because the are straight out of the Bible.

According to genesis 2:16 God told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil for when he ate it he would die.

The talking serpent corrects Eve understanding about the poisonous tree of knowledge.
Genesis 3:Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, "You must not eat from any tree in the garden"?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, "You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.""

4 "You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Eve's dilemma. Who spoke the truth God or the serpent?

1. Eat the fobidden fruit and you will die according to God to Adam.
2. Eat from it and their eyes will be opened and they will be like God knowing good and evil according to the serpent to,Eve.

Eve ate the forbidden fruit and gave some to Adam.
1. The first thing they noticed was their eyes were opened exactly as the serpent told Eve. Check, serpent is right!
Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

2. They did not die after eating the forbidden fruit. So God was lying. Check Serpent was right again! God confirms they are alive.
Genesis 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

3. God confirms in scriptures He was lying because He offers the same explanation as the serpent offered to Eve :" Eat from it and your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil."

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

God goes a step further and stops Adam and Eve from reaching out to take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

So not only were Adam send Eve created as mortals. They were now denied access to the tree of life which would have allowed them to live forever. They certainly did not die as God had warned, in fact he said they would continue to live and work which totally contradicted his warning that they would die if they ate the forbidden fruit.

You can think you know so much.
Your taking everything out of it's contexts.
God never told Adam and Eve that they die that very minute.

You made mention of the two trees. So I am asking what does those two trees Repsents.
You made mention of death, So I'm asking you, to explain who death is and is the name of death?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Yes there are many references to snakes and serpents in the bible. But there are only two reference to the Genesis serpent linked to Satan

A link between the serpent of Genesis 3 and Satan, or the devil, is given in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2: they are one and the same.


Rev 12:9 ‘And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world’

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Satan is God primary challenger. In Genesis Satan was disguised as a serpent.

Both when and in the day are referring to day and time. Eg. It will happen when you eat the fruit, not before and not after.
In/on the day you eat the fruit you will die. A year has many days. But in/on the day narrows it to that particular and specific day in the calendar year.
I try to use NIV which is the default and the KJV which some prefer because it is one of the oldest. The real work is textual criticism which biblical scholars are taught. I am a biblical scholar working on my thesis.

Well your not doing so good, if had to grade you,. You would fail. All because your taking things out of their contexts.

 

[Harikrish]

You can think you know so much.
Your taking everything out of it's contexts.
God never told Adam and Eve that they die that very minute.

You made mention of the two trees. So I am asking what does those two trees Repsents.
You made mention of death, So I'm asking you, to explain who death is and is the name of death?

Die definition, to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead.

Adam and Eve did not die (to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead)after eating the forbidden fruit.

The warning of death to Adam in Genesis was to be a fatal consequence of eating the forbidden fruit. Adam would die.

Read the quote again.
Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for WHEN you eat from it you will certainly die."

God did say to Adam when he ate the fruit he would certainly die.

Genesis 2:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Here we see God saying specifically IN/ON that day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Both WHEN and IN the day are referring to day and time. Eg. It will happen WHEN you eat the fruit, not before and not after.
IN/ON the day you eat the fruit you will die. A year has many days. But IN/ON the day narrows it to that particular and specific day in the calendar year.

In both versions of zgenesisGenesis 2:26 we see God saying specifically IN/ON that day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I try to use NIV which is the default and the KJV which some prefer because it is one of the oldest. The real work is textual criticism which biblical scholars are taught. I am a biblical scholar working on my thesis.

There were many trees in the Garden. But God said there were 2 special trees.
1. The tree of knowledge of good and evil.
2. The tree of life.
The first tree gave knowledge the second gave everlasting life.

As you advance in the Bible. There are three types of death.
1. Physical death (Die definition, to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead.)
2. Dying from sin. No longer responding to Gods commandments over a period of time.
3. Eternal death on judgement day. Think lake of fire/hell.
The scriptures describe the death as occurring in/on the day Adam ate the fruit or when Adam ate the fruit. So it was talking about physical death. The type of fatal death from eating something poisonous. But we know Adam and Eve did not die from any of the 3 deaths on the day they ate the fruit. They went on to live for another 900 plus years.

 

[Kemosloby]

The truth is Adam and Eve did not die from eating the forbidden fruit. They went on to live another 930 years. So God was lying.
God confirmed their eyes were opened and they became like God knowing good and evil. That is exactly what the serpent said.
They died of old age and not from something they ate 900 years ago. Even here God had to deny them access to the tree of life (second tree) which would have allowed them to live forever. So the first tree did not kill them as God promised.
It is the same story with every one of God's interventions. They all end in failure. He sent Jesus to save the Jews, Jesus was crucified and the Jews slaughtered by the Romans.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

You can only see what you can see, go with what you've got.

 

[Harikrish]

Well your not doing so good, if had to grade you,. You would fail. All because your taking things out of their contexts.

You have to produce scriptures that prove your cast. Tbe scriptures I provided are for Genesis and from Genesis where a day is a 24 hour day taken from the original translation of the Hebrew word 'Yom'.
God warned Adam he would die in/on the day he ate the forbidden fruit. Or when he ate the fobidden fruit. We all know Adam and Eve did not die. They went in to have children, continued to worship God and taught their children to nake offerings to God. They also lived another 900 years after eating the fruit which was supposed to kill them in/on the day they ate it.
I am presenting my position using textual criticism and Occam Razors rule that states: the answer with the least number of assumption is the right answer.
Thank you for responding to my OP.

 

[Harikrish]

You can only see what you can see, go with what you've got.

I am presenting my position using textual criticism and Occam Razors rule that states: the answer with the least number of assumption is the right answer.
Thank you for responding to my OP.

 

[Kemosloby]

I am presenting my position using textual criticism and Occam Razors rule that states: the answer with the least number of assumption is the right answer.
Thank you for responding to my OP.

Well that should keep your hand in front of your face. Good to see scholars aren't straining themselves.

 

[Kenny]

How am I taking things out of context.
1. Adam and Eve did not commit the original sin.
That is what I said. It was God who committed the first sin. God lied to Adam and he caused death by killing animals to make skin garments for Adam and Eve.

No... you really haven't established that He lied. And the clothing of animal skins was the first covenant with man to cement the coming of Jesus (Gen 3:15) which was a type and shadow of the garments of righteousness that God was going to provide through the blood of Jesus Christ

2. What is death?
Die definition, to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital physiological functions; become dead.

Again (before you posted this), I said that this is a man's definition. The original is plural and therefore your definition, in context, would be wrong.

3. God never told Adam and Eve that they would die, right at the very moment of eating from the tree.

Read verse.
Genesis 2:17 KJV: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God told Adam in/on the day he ate the fruit he would surely die. No, ifs or buts. If God just said don't eat the fruit or you will die, then no timeframe was included. But God was specific in/on when you eat the fruit you will surely die.

He did... spiritually as man became separated from the original union of God's Spirit and man.