Can Christianity move beyond its inherent homophobia?

[DavidFirth]

Says you.
But then, you continuously present your opinion as though it is fact..
Then demonstrate you do not know the difference between opinion and fact.


Sin is merely going against the will/wishes of your chosen deity.
Like it or not, there are deities who are not against homosexuality.


ROTFLMAO
how many different versions are there of the Bible?
You do understand that "version" means different, right?


Who is this "we" you claim to speak for?

Well, I don't speak for you, you can rest assured of that.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I fully expect that within the lifetimes of young people today Christians will generally believe that True Christians always supported gay rights and marriage equality and such. They will insist that Christians were on the forefront of the battle for equality, and the homophobes weren't really Christians at all.

Just like they now do concerning racial equality. To listen to them talk now, you'd think 19th century slave owners were all atheists.
Tom

Same goes for white-supremacists, historical Nazis and Italian fascists. The revisionism is real.

 

[columbus]

Same goes for white-supremacists, historical Nazis and Italian fascists. The revisionism is real.

Yep.
You'd think there weren't any Catholics or Lutherans in Germany in the 30s.
Tom

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Yep.
You'd think there weren't any Catholics or Lutherans in Germany in the 30s.
Tom

And certainly not amongst the top echelons of the Third Reich!

 

[SinSaber]

I personally find this thread to be anti-individual. I suggest you all read my thread that questioned a few liberal beliefs.

You people are just as judgmental. We say it is our belief, but whether we believe it as fact or opinion is irrelevant. I believe the Hindu origin of man is an opinion, but I don't care if a Hindu thinks it's a fact.

So, why do you care how we present our beliefs? Why can't you stop generalizing and get to know some of us. Just because we disagree on one part doesn't mean you have to brand us as haters. You're all acting like generalists and slightly fascist.

 

[idav]

I know some of you feel the need to ride in on a white horse to defend Christianity, but such religions are very much a hot spot for homophobia, likely because of their teachings and the question is: Can Christianity move beyond this limitation?

Not if they believe in Romans 1, it's Paulism which is the issue not Christism.

 

[idav]

I personally find this thread to be anti-individual. I suggest you all read my thread that questioned a few liberal beliefs.

You people are just as judgmental. We say it is our belief, but whether we believe it as fact or opinion is irrelevant. I believe the Hindu origin of man is an opinion, but I don't care if a Hindu thinks it's a fact.

So, why do you care how we present our beliefs? Why can't you stop generalizing and get to know some of us. Just because we disagree on one part doesn't mean you have to brand us as haters. You're all acting like generalists and slightly fascist.

Why pick on the liberals, the entire country is leaning left on the subject.

 

[SinSaber]

Not if they believe in Romans 1, it's Paulism which is the issue not Christism.

Paul was an Apostle. He is the closest authority we have after Christ.

Why pick on the liberals, the entire country is leaning left on the subject.

That statement is a generalization

 

[idav]

Paul was an Apostle. He is the closest authority we have after Christ.

I don't appeal to authority.

That statement is a generalization

Yeah generally true.

 

[SinSaber]

I don't appeal to authority.

But you can not deny the knowledge that Paul inherited from Christ


Yeah generally true.

So, you have gone to every person in America and asked them yourself? And whether legalizing marriage was representative of their moral outlook?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Not if they believe in Romans 1, it's Paulism which is the issue not Christism.

What makes you think it's all about Paul in Romans 1

 

[idav]

What makes you think it's all about Paul in Romans 1

Because nobody ever takes issue with the words of Jesus (the letters in red even). People take issue with the words others have claimed of him for 2000 some years.

 

[idav]

So, you have gone to every person in America and asked them yourself? And whether legalizing marriage was representative of their moral outlook?

Are you purposely trying to create a straw man? A misrepresentation of what I said?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Because nobody ever takes issue with the words of Jesus (the letters in red even). People take issue with the words others have claimed of him for 2000 some years.

Ok, so what about Jesus and the letters in Red?

 

[idav]

Ok, so what about Jesus and the letters in Red?

The Bible's that put what Jesus says in red letters. What about them?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I personally find this thread to be anti-individual. I suggest you all read my thread that questioned a few liberal beliefs.

You people are just as judgmental. We say it is our belief, but whether we believe it as fact or opinion is irrelevant. I believe the Hindu origin of man is an opinion, but I don't care if a Hindu thinks it's a fact.

So, why do you care how we present our beliefs? Why can't you stop generalizing and get to know some of us. Just because we disagree on one part doesn't mean you have to brand us as haters. You're all acting like generalists and slightly fascist.

Christianity imposes itself on me in ways that other religions don't.

Christianity is the only religion I subsidize with my tax dollars. Hindus don't dictate what care I can and can't receive in my local taxpayer-funded hospital. My head of state is the head of a Christian church, not a Hindu sect. The laws of my country are designed to cater to Christians, not Hindus.

As a citizen in a free society, I demand the right to have a say in the things that affect me. Your religion affects me in ways that other religions don't.

Your religion's interference with my life entitles me to a say in your religion. If you don't like this, then see to it that your religion isn't imposed on me any more.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The Bible's that put what Jesus says in red letters. What about them?

That's what I am asking you

 

[pearl]

For the record, this is one of things that I really despise about a lot of religion -- its (often) pious denial of what is manifestly true in deference to scriptural naivety

That statement about says it all. If one takes a look at Rom1:18-32 it is the condemnation of idolatry, and it is this that is the 'abomination', heterosexual perversion in the worship of pagan gods. Paul has no clue as to sexual orientation, nor could he have.

And what would you say to Christians who identify both as Christian and as homosexual and as non-sinning?

They are our brother and sisters in the Lord.

"Consider the Lord. Jesus, the Nazarene carpenter, burst upon the religious scene of his day with an authority the likes of which the world had never seen. Yet he gave no orders, exacted no obedience, meted out no punishments."

 

[Faithofchristian]

That statement about says it all. If one takes a look at Rom1:18-32 it is the condemnation of idolatry, and it is this that is the 'abomination', heterosexual perversion in the worship of pagan gods. Paul has no clue as to sexual orientation, nor could he have.



They are our brother and sisters in the Lord.

"Consider the Lord. Jesus, the Nazarene carpenter, burst upon the religious scene of his day with an authority the likes of which the world had never seen. Yet he gave no orders, exacted no obedience, meted out no punishments."

That of Romans 1:18-32 Is all about homosexualit. Men with men, As stated in Verse 27,
Even in Paul's day in Rome, men were laying with men as they did with a woman.

It was Christ Jesus who gave unto Moses to write the first five books of the Old Testaments.

It was Christ Jesus that said --> "And he answered and said unto them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female.

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they Twain shall be one flesh"
Matthew 19:4-5.

Therefore Christ Jesus did set it down between a man and woman.

 

[pearl]

Is all about homosexualit.

Its about idolatry.
While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or snakes.

Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.

Paul is referring to heterosexual perversion. He has no concept of sexual orientation identified only in the 19th cent.

It was Christ Jesus who gave unto Moses to write the first five books of the Old Testaments.

The first five books had many authors.