How are these Great Beings explained?

[Dawnofhope]

New does not mean better. How did thalydomide and valium work out?

Being new in its own right is not a criteria for anything in its own right. Then again the development of antibiotics, vaccinations and new approaches to hygiene and sanitation have made enormous differences to health worldwide. So some new things are greatly beneficial. We need to evaluate. We need to investigate lol.

Sometimes the old road is far more scenic. If you're in a hurry you miss out.

It can be and if that's what you are looking for then that's the best advice. Sometimes the one giving directions is so out of date that he doesn't realise the road is no longer there. Sometimes he is so confused he shouldn't be giving directions to anyone.

 

[Vinayaka]

Jewish view on Hinduism ... a summary....

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-attitudes-toward-eastern-religions/ They certainly recognise we're outside the Abrahamic family.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Adrian. I dont like guessing answers from questions. A buddhist would learn life goes on. Get a map and stop relying on people and GPS over one own directions first. Then when lost because we are given wrong directions, we ground ourselves and keep going.

Funny you mentioned this. My aunts and I got lost in the woods, very heavy witn no signal, dark, no lights. Aunt one tries to find her batteries for GPS. Aunt two says go back the way we came. If I didnt agree with my second aunt we would have been there for hours.

Some people need GPS, some need people, some just Want to find it themselves with a map. Others trust their own senses.

What is wrong with inconsistacies?

Sometimes we make matters complicated. If someone asked me the quickest way to get to Christchurch by car from my town there would only be one correct answer. Sure get the map out and the GPS if you need them, but you still have the one road to travel to get to the destination the fastest.

You could find 10 other ways to do it, but it will take a lot longer, and you may get lost in the process.

 

[CG Didymus]

I ask why the Saints are not mentioned, as they were also resurrected. This to me explains Abdul'baha's explanation.

Matthew 27:52 "and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

Regards Tony

Or it explains how resurrection stories were a hoax.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sometimes we make matters complicated. If someone asked me the quickest way to get to Christchurch by car from my town there would only be one correct answer. Sure get the map out and the GPS if you need them, but you still have the one road to travel to get to the destination the fastest.

You could find 10 other ways to do it, but it will take a lot longer, and you may get lost in the process.

My question was direct. Analogies can also throw off the point if not make it lost over GPSs and Maps.

What is wrong with inconsistencies?
In general

 

[Vinayaka]

Being new in its own right is not a criteria for anything in its own right.

It can be and if that's what you are looking for then that's the best advice. Sometimes the one giving directions is so out of date that he doesn't realise the road is no longer there. Sometimes he is so confused he shouldn't be giving directions to anyone.

I agree, and I agree.

It's definitely a problem I would have with Baha'i on a personal level. (You obviously don't have that same problem.) The UHJ is bound to interpret Baha'u'llah's intent as well as they can. Even if there is some great scientific development that proves otherwise, they're still bound to that principle. So it's been 150 odd years, and life has really changed a ton on this planet. With a living sampradaya (spiritual lineage) that problem doesn't exist. All the current stuff (internet, death with dignity, new politics, pollution, and the list goes on) Baha'u'llah simply doesn't address it, so therefore it's really hard for anyone with a deceased prophet to keep up to date. The Catholics have it a bit better, since the pope is at least living today, not deceased. So often I think there just isn't enough information to make a really informed decision.

But that's just me.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Jewish view on Hinduism ... a summary....

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-attitudes-toward-eastern-religions/ They certainly recognise we're outside the Abrahamic family.

The Jews in days of old would have had little interest in polytheistic religions. That link just demonstrates how far everyone has come with better understanding and dialogue with peoples of other faiths. Your perseverance with this thread (@Carlita and @CG Didymus too) is testimony to that lol.

 

[Vinayaka]

The Jews in days of old would have had little interest in polytheistic religions. That link just demonstrates how far everyone has come with better understanding and dialogue with peoples of other faiths. Your perseverance with this thread (@Carlita and @C G Didymus too) is testimony to that lol.

I'm quite disappointed at the lack of progress on some fronts at that. My expectations are too high.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I agree, and I agree.

It's definitely a problem I would have with Baha'i on a personal level. (You obviously don't have that same problem.) The UHJ is bound to interpret Baha'u'llah's intent as well as they can. Even if there is some great scientific development that proves otherwise, they're still bound to that principle. So it's been 150 odd years, and life has really changed a ton on this planet. With a living sampradaya (spiritual lineage) that problem doesn't exist. All the current stuff (internet, death with dignity, new politics, pollution, and the list goes on) Baha'u'llah simply doesn't address it, so therefore it's really hard for anyone with a deceased prophet to keep up to date. The Catholics have it a bit better, since the pope is at least living today, not deceased. So often I think there just isn't enough information to make a really informed decision.

But that's just me.

It isn't a problem for me at all. All that current stuff you mention doesn't contradict with the Baha'i faith at all. We have a research department at the world centre that is always looking at new developments such as these and considering them. We have the capacity to consider the most effective strategies for any problems to do with the environment, medical ethics, business development etc.

The major problem for those with a more Western liberal perspective is of course no women on the Universal House of Justice and marriage laws that exclude those who identify as gay. You are correct that we can not change either of these. These are not problems for me either, but they do present a problem for some Baha'is and those who investigate the Baha'i faith, I can not deny.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The Jews in days of old would have had little interest in polytheistic religions. That link just demonstrates how far everyone has come with better understanding and dialogue with peoples of other faiths. Your perseverance with this thread (@Carlita and @CG Didymus too) is testimony to that lol.

One more month till school and I be less on this thing.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I'm quite disappointed at the lack of progress on some fronts at that. My expectations are too high.

The Christian medical centre I provide free GP services for finally introduced a policy this year that those who were not Christian could work there. They are extremely conservative Christians so I am just happy they have managed a step that was unthinkable for them when they first began in 2010.

 

[Dawnofhope]

One more month till school and I be less on this thing.

That has to be a good thing

 

[Vinayaka]

The Jews in days of old would have had little interest in polytheistic religions. That link just demonstrates how far everyone has come with better understanding and dialogue with peoples of other faiths. Your perseverance with this thread (@Carlita and @CG Didymus too) is testimony to that lol.

So I googled what do Jewish people think of the Baha'i' faith. I couldn't find a single site that addressed it from the Jewish POV. Of course I did find dozens of sites that addressed it from the Baha'i POV, mostly about how many Jews had converted to a Baha'i', and a few non-Baha'i non-Jewish musings on the topic. So my search itself indicated a lot to me, namely that the Baha'is really care about putting their beliefs out there to Jews, (proselytizing) but it's not at all a reciprocal process.

Now I do wonder what the Jews think, if anything?

 

[CG Didymus]

The belief about the resurrection was part of early Christianity. However to reject Christianity because of this belief in the resurrection was akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water IMHO.

There are references to resurrection in the OT but in needs to be understood that the Jews had a very different concept of an afterlife.

Where do the Hebrew Scriptures prophesy the death and resurrection of the Messiah?

Judaism 101: Olam Ha-Ba: The Afterlife

Argubaly the resurrection narrative greatly contributed to the Christian concept of a life after death.

Jesus was later declared to be part a Trinity. Christians believed in Satan and hell. How many doctrines and beliefs that Baha'is say aren't true before you agree and say "no" Jews were right not to follow the wrong teachings of Christianity?

 

[Dawnofhope]

My question was direct. Analogies can also throw off the point if not make it lost over GPSs and Maps.

What is wrong with inconsistencies?
In general

Do you want a laptop that doesn't work because the manufacturer hasn't adhered to consistent standards?

 

[Vinayaka]

The Christian medical centre I provide free GP services for finally introduced a policy this year that those who were not Christian could work there. They are extremely conservative Christians so I am just happy they have managed a step that was unthinkable for them when they first began in 2010.

I meant on some fronts within this forum. But it just goes to show that all religions have their fundamentalist conservatives, and more liberal minded folks.

Still, I'm glad they accepted you. Here it's been far more open for a very long time, although there are no private Christian medical institutions, just ones run by Catholics. In India it's nasty. Christians will beat kids who wear Hindu forehead marks to school, and refuse to treat non-Christians at some hospitals.

 

[CG Didymus]

The Koran List, yes. There is no set List except for the Kitabi-i- quan, but quite a few have been mentioned through various writings of Baha'u'llah, Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi.

Krishna is not mentioned in the Koran but the Koran gives guidance as to a Prophet and when reaearched some Muslims see Krishna as a Prophet.

Krishna is confirmed in the Baha'i Writings.

Consider it is hard enough for people to believe without adding pages of unproveable facts about unknown Manifestations.

This is a link to this question on Bahai Library Forum - List of Prophets - Baha'i Library Forum

Regards Tony

It was bad enough that Baha'is think Adam was a manifestation, but Jonah? Are you sure?

 

[Vinayaka]

The major problem for those with a more Western liberal perspective is of course no women on the Universal House of Justice and marriage laws that exclude those who identify as gay. You are correct that we can not change either of these. These are not problems for me either, but they do present a problem for some Baha'is and those who investigate the Baha'i faith, I can not deny.

Indeed. Major problem. Backward.

 

[Dawnofhope]

So I googled what do Jewish people think of the Baha'i' faith. I couldn't find a single site that addressed it from the Jewish POV. Of course I did find dozens of sites that addressed it from the Baha'i POV, mostly about how many Jews had converted to a Baha'i', and a few non-Baha'i non-Jewish musings on the topic. So my search itself indicated a lot to me, namely that the Baha'is really care about putting their beliefs out there to Jews, (proselytizing) but it's not at all a reciprocal process.

Now I do wonder what the Jews think, if anything?

The situation with the Jews is complicated. We have our Holy sites near some of the most important Holy sites in Israel ie the mountain of Elijah. The Baha'is claim Baha'u'llah to be the Messiah the Jews are waiting for lol.

In exchange for having our Holy places in Israel we are not to teach Jews in Israel about the Baha'i Faith.



I avoid directly teaching Jews about the Baha'i faith on RF btw. I'll talk about Christ, but avoid mentioning my own religion to them.

 

[CG Didymus]

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Yes, There were quite a few strange occurances going on after Jesus was resurrected! Others coming out of their graves and appearing in Jerusalem, an earthquake, rock being broken up. It was a great miracle indeed. Perhaps the greatest miracle of all is that it went completely unnoticed and wasn't mentioned in any history books of the time.

Wasn't all this symbolic? Or, was it a made up story? Since the story wasn't written down for several years.