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Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums..... Real or Rubbish?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums, Seers, Astrologers, Numerologists, Palmists, Tarot readers, Spiritualists...............Real or Rubbish?

1. I believe in spirits because I've seen one and experienced one
2. I don't know what a ghost is. I always thought that was for horror movies
3. I don't know what a demon is. I read about it and see it in horror movies.
4 I've never met a fortune teller. I have no reason to believe either way
5. I do believe in mediums. I've been a medium a couple times in my life and being one is exhausting to the body.
6. I've never understood astrology. Though some things I notice are true but I never thought to look up why
7. My brother and aunt are into numerology. They told me about it once, it freaked my aunt out and it made my brother read the bible.
8. I never met a palmist.
9. I've had many tarot readings. Now I know how it works, it has a lot to do with astrology and psychology more than mystics.
10. I am a spiritualist. I converse with my ancestors and deceased closed family members as I do with my living family, friends, and strangers.
11. I do believe in healers.
12. Prophets? I never used the term in my everyday conversation nor believed in any.

Unfortunately media and thanks to many abrahamics have really messed up the definitions of these words.

Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums, Seers, Astrologers, Numerologists, Palmists, Tarot readers, Spiritualists...............Real or Rubbish?

Media and religious have mixed definitions of a lot of these words. Spirit is aura/energy of a person. Ghosts is a fictional embodied person or animal. A demon is personified evil. A prophet is someone who brings a divine message. Divine has many definitions. Fortune tellers is a fancy word. Astrologers, numerologist, and palmist see patterns and attribute them to events and things in everyday life. Mediums interact with the energies of people who passed and as spiritualists they converse with them as well. I honestly don't know what a seer is.

It's not rubbish. It's interesting though. A part of life probably 10% of the population don't want to discover because they think they have life beat by knowing everything is only what we can observe with our five senses.

Even scientists are christian etc. Why would a scientist believe in god if he found proof against its existence.

I only believe in spirits, spiritualism, medium, and healing. I have no reason not to believe in the others other than that it's either not my preference and/or just not a field of study I want to involve myself with. Astrology and tarot reading is very complex. Makes me have a headache.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums, Seers, Astrologers, Numerologists, Palmists, Tarot readers, Spiritualists...............Real or Rubbish?

Please do add to the list.
I debated with folks who do believe in prophets but not with fortune tellers.
....with folks who speak of spirituality but who cannot seem to describe it.
.... with atheists who have claimed to believe in ghosts.
.... the mixes can be quite surprising, or so I find........

OK....... Mix and Match! :)

.......... which do you believe in, and if so, why not the others?

Can't say I believe in any of them, although I do believe that people see apparitions, and that apparitions may be some sort of other-worldly phenomenon. Certainly do not view them as being spirits of the dead, but they may be some type of inter-dimensional beings. Or they may just be hallucinations. But I do not rule out the possibility that some other beings exist, mainly because there have been reports of them around the world for millennia.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Good questions OB.

Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums, Seers, Astrologers, Numerologists, Palmists, Tarot readers, Spiritualists...............Real or Rubbish?

I see both as well.

I debated with folks who do believe in prophets but not with fortune tellers.
....with folks who speak of spirituality but who cannot seem to describe it.
.... with atheists who have claimed to believe in ghosts.
.... the mixes can be quite surprising, or so I find........

OK....... Mix and Match! :)

.......... which do you believe in, and if so, why not the others?

You probably already know my position on these things. Scripturally speaking, all things of a 'spiritistic' nature are lumped in together. By 'spiritistic', I mean the opposite of 'spiritual'......they each have a different source.

God's command to Israel was......"When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the detestable practices of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11 anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you." (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)

All of those practices were associated with the power of the devil, hence the fact that they are "detestable" to God.

Prophets could be either true or false, and usually the true prophets had results to back up their prophesies. Though some of their prophesies were to be fulfilled hundreds or even thousands of years into the future. (like Daniel's)

Spirituality is a faculty that is unique to humans because it requires intelligence at our level to achieve it....but not all who possess intelligence manifest it. In fact it is quite the opposite in the majority of cases. Humility, obedience and meekness are also requirements...and we know what an above average intelligence usually does to a lot of people. We see it demonstrated on quite a few threads. o_O

Spirituality can also be hijacked and railroaded into a path leading to demon influence if we do not heed God's warning as recorded by Moses about 'spiritistic' practices. The dark forces do not always portray themselves as evil spirits....some pose as "angels of light". (2 Corinthians 11:14-15) :(

I believe that children are the most spiritual beings on the planet....but unless their spirituality is nurtured, it will wither and often die....but not always. There are examples of very spiritual parents having very 'unspiritual' children and vice versa.

I believe that God can see the inner person and can draw out that spirituality and feed it. How else can we explain the strength of some people's faith, whilst others are questioning and doubtful? :shrug:
 
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InChrist

Free4ever
Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums, Seers, Astrologers, Numerologists, Palmists, Tarot readers, Spiritualists...............Real or Rubbish?
I believe that ghosts and demons are the same thing. I do believe these and the rest on your list exist, but I do not believe in the sense of having faith in any of these or thinking they are channels of truth, except for the Holy Spirit.
 

Father

Devourer of Truth
il tell you what I tell any who believe in any of that.

if demons are real, summon and send me a Succubus. and il convert. anything less no.
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
I debated with folks who do believe in prophets but not with fortune tellers.
Perhaps some people do not understand what a prophet is. It certainly is not what some may imagine in it being a person who looks at you and decides to say something about the future, or your future. A prophet is a divine tape recorder. He can only say (when speaking a prophecy) what God put into his mind to say. It cannot be altered to say the opposite, or something very different from the intent God had with the message.

Prophets exist, but presently - I know of none -- which means squat. God does what he wants to when he wants to. He usually doesn't consult me before doing stuff -- too bad really, at times, that is.;)
Spirits, Ghosts, Demons
The question here is what is a ghost. If simply asking if the phenomena of ghosts are observed, the answer is yes. Many times, the words spirit and ghost are used interchangeably.

The news occasionally contains material that isn't faked which demonstrates that these things do happen, do interact with our reality. The disbelief of atheists in this - is not according to our reality we experience. They ignore things because it contradicts their paradigm. Even the Sleep Paralysis which is clearly demonic in origin, they manage to disbelieve.
I find this particular video compelling, though there are many others.

If you know of a video that demonstrates this better, let me know. I am not in the habit of seeking this material out. It might invite the attention of the spirits, demons / fallen angels.

In the news just now, new ghosts?!
 
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Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
if demons are real,
I have encountered a few, a very few -- still.

Just because one encounters something, someone, does not mean that there is the power to make that something do anything, such as sending it to you. Getting run over by Mag Truck does not mean I can sent it to you. Or, do you think differently? Do you have the power to be run over by such a truck and sending it to an acquaintance of choice?! Would be fun to watch.

Road kill to friend, 'I am sending you this truck, I want you to have the same experience I had. Good luck with it!' ;)
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Spirits, ghosts, demons - astral beings or entities that can be positive or negative.

No evidence for above

Fortune tellers, healers, mediums, seers, astrologers, numerologists, palmists, tarot readers, spiritualists - those who try to contact the astral plane or offer advice to people based on their own understandings.

Ditto

Prophets - those who have achieved a very high realization in the inner planes and are charged with offering guidance to others.

Not really. Prophets are people who make predictions about the future. None have withstood scientific scrutiny.

Spirituality - the search to get better and better at living love, joy, peace and to contact the source of all either through an inner journey or through seeing the source in manifestation.

Word salad, really.
Define these concepts or words and provide evidence of each: "living love", " source of all", "inner journey", "seeing through the source", "manifestation".


Next question;)
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
What does that tell you about - the origin of those words?!

Just curious as to your take on it.:cool:
Just like when you play sports, your subconscious mind can react faster than conscious thought. Your subconscious mind can have an intelligent conversation with another person without your conscious involvement. It's like channeling. You just let your subconscious take over.

Your subconscious mind can recall everything that has ever happened to you. It has access to all of the raw data of which it only presents a portion of to the conscious mind. It takes all this and interprets it into qualia for the conscious self to experience.

I believe you don't directly see or hear anything. It's an interpretation created by the subconscious mind for you to experience. People hear voices that aren't there. They see things that aren't there. The subconscious mind is capable of creating this experiences.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
OK...... but could any of these entities or conditions be real to a person who absolutely does not believe in them?

Harry Edwards of Leatherhead, England was a Healer. Many who were taken to Harry for healing told him that they did not believe, did not have any faith, that their relatives had brought them to him. Harry always replied that it did not matter what they believed, because he was a healer, not a faith healer. His successes were amazing. He died in 77' of old age.

I don't know. Some folks have a way of instilling confidence in others. Just enough to get folks to believe it is possible. The body heals itself anyway. It get damaged, it heals. How does that work?

Maybe
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
The subconscious mind is capable of creating this experiences.
In the things you quote, I think the subconscious insufficient. I believe extraneous beings not of our world induce this because of your invitation to them by using the Tarot cards. :cool:
Not trying to offend you, that is just what I believe.:)
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums, Seers, Astrologers, Numerologists, Palmists, Tarot readers, Spiritualists...............Real or Rubbish?

Please do add to the list.
I debated with folks who do believe in prophets but not with fortune tellers.
....with folks who speak of spirituality but who cannot seem to describe it.
.... with atheists who have claimed to believe in ghosts.
.... the mixes can be quite surprising, or so I find........

OK....... Mix and Match! :)

.......... which do you believe in, and if so, why not the others?
I don't know if you are notified with an edit. So I am posting this as a new answer.

In the news just now, new ghost:
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Spirits of many kinds, yes. Tarot and Runes, yes because I use and study both in my practice.
Thankyou. You are the second member to explain that you use Tarot, and there was me thinking that tarot would feature low on the responses.
I know nothing. :)
Astrology, palmistry and numerology, I don’t believe in those as a science or concrete form of divination but as an art or spiritual practice it’s interesting. I also don’t literally believe in prophets but I can appreciate the fact many people resonate with them.
That's interesting because Christians, Bahais and others cling to a kind of religious numerology to prove biblical prophecy, both of which you don't rate as highly.
As for any sort of fortune teller or spiritual seer/guide... I don’t know, some are rubbish but others are serious in their art and can actually offer advice. It’s hard to tell until you seek them out or you learn a bit of it yourself.
OK, I guess it's all doen to the person who is undertaking any of the above.

By the way, do you believe in 'healers'?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I guess I consider spiritual an effect on the emotional part of us, Love, Hate, Faith and such. Loss of loved ones tend to lead people to spiritualists for closure, this is not the logical side of the brain seeking closure. The spiritualist is reading their feelings and predicting there needs, they may actually believe they are hearing it from a voice but that voice is inside there head.

That's interesting. Of course some religious people claim that they and their groups are 'spiritual' in various ways but deny (more vigorously than you) that spiritualism is real, just a trick. This makes me wonder what their ideas about the word 'spiritual' are.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Spirits, Ghosts, Demons, Prophets, Fortune Tellers, Healers, Mediums, Seers, Astrologers, Numerologists, Palmists, Tarot readers, Spiritualists...............Real or Rubbish?

Please do add to the list.
I debated with folks who do believe in prophets but not with fortune tellers.
....with folks who speak of spirituality but who cannot seem to describe it.
.... with atheists who have claimed to believe in ghosts.
.... the mixes can be quite surprising, or so I find........

OK....... Mix and Match! :)

.......... which do you believe in, and if so, why not the others?
All are real, yet all are not what is expected of them.
 

Club Tropícana

New Member
I don't believe anything that hasn't met it's burden of proof. None of these claims have been scientifically, independently verified to actually be true.
 
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