Why the hate?

[Silverscale derg]

There is actually the idea out there, that we have an evolutionary - steady percentage of gay people, to help in times of great stress (war, famine, etc.) while not acerbating the situation by producing more offspring in need.



Humans all over the world still need to hunt to survive.

Nature has whiped out many species.



People all over the world kill animals for clothing to survive the elements. For instance our Eskimo, and other indigenous tribes.

I've made deer hide moccasins, with fur trim, and beading.

We've turned antler into art, jewelry, pipes, etc. I made an Alaskan antler Yule wreath.

Also, here, - the hides of hunted deer, moose, elk, etc. - are collected and sold, - with the money going to charity.

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Humans don't need to hunt to live. There is food everywhere. Sure some isn't good for you but it's still food. I know tribes need to kill to live but they kill prey instead of killing predators and saying "oh we killed this wolf because it was eating 'our' deer." or some nonesense like that and as a bonus they actually try to use the animal in full unlike those who kill wolves and coyotes for fur then dump the rest. I don't care about the fur I care about the meat...I want it eaten off of any creature hunters want to kill.

 

[Silverscale derg]

Tell that to the komodo dragon.

Lease don't classify all humans as the same

Perhaps senility creaps in after 1999 years.

All reptiles are akin to us dragons. The komodo dragon is a lizard and as a larger monitor type lizard they eat rodents when fully grown but as with any lizard especially the smaller ones they eat insects. If you wanted to make your point bash reptiles you would mention bearded dragons eating other lizards but my come back to that would be humans are the ones killing off the insects with harmful chemicals so it's done out of need...as for those who force feed anoles to bearded dragons...that's just sick. Reptiles all suffer from bloodlust yet insects are plenty and humans don't like them anyways so we should get points for that.

 

[Silverscale derg]

Maybe you were banned because of your use of grammar? Or lack of.

I'm sorry, I can't read this easily so I'm going to pass.

I'm sorry my dragon tongue ignores grammar but the words and meanings are still there. Try translating words in a tongue you don't know then come back...i'm doing quite good for someone who translates my words

 

[Silverscale derg]

What non-human books do you trust?

Everything in the dragon library because it's true and not made evil by humans

 

[Nakosis]

Everything in the dragon library because it's true and not made evil by humans

 

[icehorse]

First Law of Nature: Survival of the fittest. in essence, those with the best affinity survive
I would argue the second Law is
Second Law of Nature: Power is everything. without any power, you die. more power. the better off you are.

we have the power therefore we do. why should we value animal life equal to humans when there is no such thing as equality in nature. we are above them?

granted I feel we should control our population just as much as we do other animals. it's hypocrisy not to. but to play Devils Advocate. why should we? we are the strongest in way of Intelligence, other than destroying ourselves if a specific animal plays no part in our survival why not just wipe it out? for instance, mosquitos do little good and kill more humans than humans have killed humans. why not genocide them completely?

as for your point on lizards... lesser animals feel less pain. its actual requirement to put octopi under anesthetics and anesthesia due to their intelligence. but animals lower on the food chain feel less pain or at least less a rainbow of it than us. they lack self-awareness to even comprehend anything other than what pain is. a wolf and coyote are more aware than a Lizard so we give them more humane deaths to spare needless pain. granted pain could be avoided by not killing them but again with Power. we hold no natural requirement to even care. we do however hold a requirement to care for other Humans. we are a social species after all and our survival depends on how well we get along with each other. we hold more empathy for each other than we do animals. make friends with a monkey and I am sure if we could measure empathy they would feel less of it for us than their own kind. that's nature. if we gave out love to all animals we would have died off Millenium ago

Even if I was a heartless *******, I'd disagree with this post. First, while it's (maybe), true that humans are at the apex of the ecology, we still NEED a healthy, bio-diverse ecology. We should value other species because we NEED them.

Now, I don't think I am a heartless *******, and the more we find out about other species, the less true your orientation becomes. Levels of pleasure, pain, emotion and awareness in other species is far greater than what we thought even a few years ago.

Finally, who would want to live in some dystopia in which all the other species have been killed off, there is no nature to be rejuvenated in, and all we have to eat is algae porridge.

 

[ChristineM]

that's a base definition. no power is control. anything that can control is power.
a bear outmatches us in brute force. however not in intelligence

the second definition of power is

pow·er
ˈpou(ə)r/
noun
noun: power; plural noun: powers

1. the ability to do something or act in a particular way, especially as a faculty or quality.
   "the power of speech"
   synonyms: ability, capacity, capability, potential, faculty, competence
   "the power of speech"
   antonyms: inability
2. 
   the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events.
   "the idea that men should have power over women"
   • political or social authority or control, especially that exercised by a government.
     "the party had been in power for eight years"
     synonyms: control, authority, influence, dominance, mastery, domination, dominion, sway, weight, leverage; More

so next time maybe quote the entire definition

Which is what i said about the bear
The word was powerful, not powerful,

powerful
ˈpaʊəfʊl,ˈpaʊəf(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: powerful

1. 1.
   having great power or strength.
   "a fast, powerful car"
   synonyms: strong, muscular, muscly, sturdy, strapping, robust, mighty, hefty, brawny, burly, husky, athletic, manly, well built, Herculean, tough, solid, substantial, lusty; More
   informalbeefy, hunky, ripped, shredded;
   informalbuff;
   informaljacked;
   datedstalwart;
   literarystark, thewy
   "his powerful shoulders bulged under his suit"
   intoxicating, heady, hard, strong, stiff;
   rarespirituous, intoxicant
   "a powerful local aperitif"
   violent, forceful, heavy, hard, mighty, vigorous, hefty, thunderous
   "a powerful blow across the face"
   antonyms: weak, gentle
   • having control and influence over people and events.
     "the world's most powerful nation"
     synonyms: influential, strong, high-powered, important, controlling, dominant, commanding, potent, forceful, vigorous, dynamic, formidable, redoubtable;More
     informalbig, high-octane;
     literarypuissant
     "a powerful nation"
     antonyms: weak, powerless
   • having a strong effect on people's feelings or thoughts.
     "his photomontages are powerful anti-war images"
     synonyms: cogent, compelling, convincing, persuasive, eloquent, impressive, striking, telling, influential; More
     forceful, strong, effective;
     dramatic, passionate, graphic, vivid, moving, potent, authoritative, great, weighty, vigorous, forcible, irresistible, substantial
     "a powerful and detailed critique of current thinking in social research"

next time quote the correct word, after all ot is the word you used.

And yes we can all be pedantic

 

[ChristineM]

All reptiles are akin to us dragons. The komodo dragon is a lizard and as a larger monitor type lizard they eat rodents when fully grown but as with any lizard especially the smaller ones they eat insects. If you wanted to make your point bash reptiles you would mention bearded dragons eating other lizards but my come back to that would be humans are the ones killing off the insects with harmful chemicals so it's done out of need...as for those who force feed anoles to bearded dragons...that's just sick. Reptiles all suffer from bloodlust yet insects are plenty and humans don't like them anyways so we should get points for that.

I made no point bashing anyone, i mentioned the Komodo dragon in direct reply to your statement.

 

[Little Lunch]

Hey dragon, can we eat you after you're dead?
I'd like to be able to tell my friends I've eaten dragon meat.
Also, how big is your head?
Why? No particular reason, just curious.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The komodo dragon is a lizard and as a larger monitor type lizard they eat rodents when fully grown but as with any lizard especially the smaller ones they eat insects.

Komodo dragons have been known to kill people. Not often, but much like a handful of snakes, they can and sometimes do kill people. As for komodos, they eat water buffalo, deer, and sometimes even humans.

 

[Little Lunch]

I've seen some large lizards in Borneo.
When I was staying in Sandakan, one popped out of a storm drain attracting many locals with sticks to prod it back in.
At one stage it was beside a car and was denting the door with its tail flick.
This is why all the grates in the street are covered with bricks or rocks.

Still, I'd rather take on a Komodo dragon then a crocodile.
They hangout at the beaches in my hometown.
If you ever get chased by either, remember to zig zag.
They're faster than you.

 

[Tmac]

I have a distrust in most human books

Get over it, this one will help you on your quest.

 

[Silverscale derg]

Get over it, this one will help you on your quest.

My quest on what mortal?

 

[Silverscale derg]

Komodo dragons have been known to kill people. Not often, but much like a handful of snakes, they can and sometimes do kill people. As for komodos, they eat water buffalo, deer, and sometimes even humans.

Oh boo freaking hoo "they kill people" your point is? Humans kill them too...they kill humans for trespassing. Their bite being toxic helps the death of it's prey be fairly quick. One can hunt while also being respectful to the creatures they take the lives of. Yes they eat larger prey and humans...but what's so damn special about humans that it's such a big deal? Humans have such a high population you know.

 

[Silverscale derg]

I made no point bashing anyone, i mentioned the Komodo dragon in direct reply to your statement.

oh okay

 

[Silverscale derg]

I've seen some large lizards in Borneo.
When I was staying in Sandakan, one popped out of a storm drain attracting many locals with sticks to prod it back in.
At one stage it was beside a car and was denting the door with its tail flick.
This is why all the grates in the street are covered with bricks or rocks.

Still, I'd rather take on a Komodo dragon then a crocodile.
They hangout at the beaches in my hometown.
If you ever get chased by either, remember to zig zag.
They're faster than you.

zig zaging won't work and stop messing with us reptiles. If you mess with us then of course you're looking to be attacked strictly in retaliation

 

[Silverscale derg]

What;s that?

 

[Tmac]

My quest on what mortal?

At this point, it should be to find you memory because it appears that you have forgotten what we were talking about.

 

[Silverscale derg]

At this point, it should be to find you memory because it appears that you have forgotten what we were talking about.

My memory isn't the best

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh boo freaking hoo "they kill people" your point is? Humans kill them too...they kill humans for trespassing. Their bite being toxic helps the death of it's prey be fairly quick. One can hunt while also being respectful to the creatures they take the lives of. Yes they eat larger prey and humans...but what's so damn special about humans that it's such a big deal? Humans have such a high population you know.

That wasn't my point, at all. Your claim was "they eat rodents," and also "as with any lizard...they eat insects." My point was those claims are false. They eat things far larger than rodents, even larger than the capybara.They even sometimes eat each other.

I have a distrust in most human books

It's sad. The Art of War, though strategies for war, views armed conflict against an opposing army as a failure. In many ways, it parallels Bruce Lee's sentiment that the best way to win a fight is to win without fighting.

Why do people have a problem with other species using human stuff?

I don't think anyone has an issue with that. However, the issue does arise when you try to say you're a fantasy creature that does not exist. And in addition to that, not even Denis Avner/Stalking Cat said he was actually a tiger.