The significance of 1844 in Bible Prophecy

[InvestigateTruth]

When God's two witnesses lay dead in the streets. It will be telecast on T.V because many people will not believe they will rise again.
So when it's telecast people will want to see, to disprove God and God's elect people, that they will not rise. But then after 3 1/2 days God calls them and they stand up on their feet, then the people see them go up to heaven and then people become afraid.

It will be an exiting TV show, won't be?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It will be an exiting TV show, won't be?

It woukd be like the moon walk, people would still say it is a conspiracy

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

Sure it is, if you understand what those 10 horns and seven heads Represents.

God Himself fortold what those 10 horns and seven heads Represents throughout
Revelation.
Note God fortells who the Mother of Harlots is throughout Revelation
Chapters 17,18.

Revelation Chapter 11, happens just 3 1/2 days before Christ Jesus returns.

Notice in Rev 11 Verse 7 the beast ascendeth out of the bottomless pit, This being the same beast that comes up out of the earth in
Revelation 13:11. That has two horns like a lamb and he speak as a dragon"

Notice in Revelation 17:10 --"And there are seven kings, five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space"

Ok, so who is this king that must continue a short space ?

God fortells who this king is that must continue a short space in Revelation.

In Revelation 11:11, here we find out who this king is, "And they had a king over them which is the angel of the bottomless pit.

Now we found out who this king is, being the king of the bottomless pit.

Now who is this king of the bottomless pit?

Now in Revelation 20:1-3, Here we find that Satan being cast into the bottomless pit.
Seeing that Satan is the only one to ever been cast into the bottomless pit, So the king of the bottomless pit would be Satan himself.

Now back to Revelation 17:10, Notice "he must continue a short space"

Now in Revelation 12:12, Here we find, The devil being cast down to the earth, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time ( space ).

Therefore the king in Revelation 17:10 must continue a short space ( time )
Is the devil ,Satan. That knows he has a short time ( space ).

Notice in Revelation 17:12 ten horns and ten kings, Notice horns in scriptures Represents power and those ten kings have not yet received no kingdom, but will receive power
( horns = power ) as kings one hour with the beast.
Note that these ten kings receive power one hour with the beast, this beast being Satan, and those kings are Satan's kings that will receive power with Satan for one hour.

Notice ( one hour ) what is this ( Hour )?

In Revelation 3:10, God tells what this Hour is.
"Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation"
Here's the ( Hour ) This hour being the hour of temptation that Satan and his kings (Angels) that come with Satan into the world, to deceive by deception the whole world into believing that he is Christ Jesus.

So in summary you have next to no idea what Revelation 11 means or what the beast with 10 horns and 7 heads represents.

 

[Faithofchristian]

It will be an exiting TV show, won't be?

Who knows how people will see this around the world. Maybe by T.V who knows what people will have by then.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So in summary you have next to no idea what Revelation 11 means or what the beast with 10 horns and 7 heads represents.

Your not making any sense.

I just gave you, who the beast is, what the 10 horns Represents, and what the 7 heads Represents According to what God given in the book of Revelation.

Unless you don't believe what God has given in Revelation, which is very simple if you have ears to hear what the Spirit of God will say and Reveal.

Everything that God has given in the book of Revelation.
God has also given the interpretation of all things to be found in the book of Revelation,
Want to know who the beast is, God has given in the book of Revelation who the beast is.
Want to know what the 10 horns are, God has given in the book of Revelation, what those 10 horns Represents.

Want to know who those 7 heads Represents, God has given in the book of Revelation who those 7 heads Represents.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, That God has given the interpretation of all things in Revelation.
You will find the interpretation to all these things, in Revelation.

Want to know who the beast is.
God has given in the book of Revelation who the beast is.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Your not making any sense.

I just gave you, who the beast is, what the 10 horns Represents, and what the 7 heads Represents According to what God given in the book of Revelation.

Unless you don't believe what God has given in Revelation, which is very simple if you have ears to hear what the Spirit of God will say and Reveal.

Everything that God has given in the book of Revelation.
God has also given the interpretation of all things to be found in the book of Revelation,
Want to know who the beast is, God has given in the book of Revelation who the beast is.
Want to know what the 10 horns are, God has given in the book of Revelation, what those 10 horns Represents.

Want to know who those 7 heads Represents, God has given in the book of Revelation who those 7 heads Represents.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, That God has given the interpretation of all things in Revelation.
You will find the interpretation to all these things, in Revelation.

Want to know who the beast is.
God has given in the book of Revelation who the beast is.

its not a question of disbelief in God and His revelation. Its a question of being able to make the appropriate connections to history. An example are beasts in Daniel 7, which Christians in my view correctly link to the Babylonian, Persian and then Greek Empires.

What are the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7?

I have a problem with linking the fourth beast to Rome, because I think the third beast is actually the Greco-Roman empire as the second beast is the Medo-Persian empire. The fourth beast relates to the beast in Revelation IMHO. It's an empire that's come and gone.

See where I'm coming from?

 

[Faithofchristian]

its not a question of disbelief in God and His revelation. Its a question of being able to make the appropriate connections to history. An example are beasts in Daniel 7, which Christians in my view correctly link to the Babylonian, Persian and then Greek Empires.

What are the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7?

I have a problem with linking the fourth beast to Rome, because I think the third beast is actually the Greco-Roman empire as the second beast is the Medo-Persian empire. The fourth beast relates to the beast in Revelation IMHO. It's an empire that's come and gone.

See where I'm coming from?

What beast in what Chapter in Revelation are you talking about.

 

[Dawnofhope]

What beast in what Chapter in Revelation are you talking about.

The ten horned, seven headed beast

 

[Faithofchristian]

The ten horned, seven headed beast

If you would haved notice the Angel of God, saying unto John, I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carrieth her, which has the 7 heads and 10 horns.

So God thru His Angel that's going to tell John who the woman is and who the beast is that's carrying the woman, which has the
7 heads and 10 horns.

As you read on down from Verse 8 to
Verse 13, God is giving the interpretation of who the 7 heads and 10 horns are. And who the beast is, And who the woman is in Chapters 17,18 in Revelation.

 

[Dawnofhope]

If you would haved notice the Angel of God, saying unto John, I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carrieth her, which has the 7 heads and 10 horns.

So God thru His Angel that's going to tell John who the woman is and who the beast is that's carrying the woman, which has the
7 heads and 10 horns.

As you read on down from Verse 8 to
Verse 13, God is giving the interpretation of who the 7 heads and 10 horns are. And who the beast is, And who the woman is in Chapters 17,18 in Revelation.

You are going around in circles again.

The book of revelation is arguably the most difficult book in the entire bible. Its OK to say "I don't know what the beast represents."

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But, all of these things, including the Kitab-i-iqan by Baha'u'llah, are merely claims, right? What evidence are you basing your conclusion that they are correct on?

The Bible has very good advice on this matter, we must weigh these thing with our inner Spirit;

1 Corinthians 2:13-14New King James Version (NKJV)..."13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

This capacity is within us all, we have been created to use this capacity. The way to discern if Baha'u'llah speaks the Truth, is to look at His Life. This is a link to His Early Life (Birth and Childhood) - Birth and Childhood of Baha'u'llah

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think what frustrates me the most about discussions like this is the failure of some to recognize the obvious 3rd option. One prophecy ends up being wrong, so it must be a misunderstanding, so maybe it means this ... or this. They ignore the obvious fact that the Bible could simply be wrong about certain things. The authors were imperfect, mostly unknown, ancient men. One should assume that they were wrong about a lot.

With Prophecy it is when it is Fulfilled that it can be known in greater detail, not before.

I will give a couple examples from the Bible;

Micah 7:12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.

This is detailed enough that we can examine how it is Fulfilled by Baha'u'llah, but not by Baha'u'llah own hands, this is the map of those banishment's

This link shows it in greater detail - Map of the Travels of Baha'u'llah

Thus How many other People Have Claimed a Message from God and by Persecution and Banishment because of that Message, have literally Fulfilled this Prophecy? This then leads us to where Baha'u'llah was finally banished to which was the Prison City of Akka. Baha'u'llah stood on the Barren Mount Carmel in the late 1800's and said this is where the Arc of His Covenant will be built; This is Mt Carmel in 1894;

Public Domain, File:Mount-carmel-1894.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Isaiah 35:2 "It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God."

This is Mt Carmel Now, the seat of the Universal House of Justice, Baha'u'llah's name Means "Glory of the Lord".

Regards Tony

 

[Faithofchristian]

You are going around in circles again.

The book of revelation is arguably the most difficult book in the entire bible. Its OK to say "I don't know what the beast represents."[/QUOTE/]

The book of Revelation is not that hard to understand.
God has given symbols throughout Revelation to represent things.

God in giving those symbols, also has given the interpretation of those symbols throughout Revelation.

The only reason the book of Revelation is difficult for people to understand, is because people try to put their understanding about what those symbols should represent and not let God do the interpretation of those symbols.

God given the book of Revelation.
Therefore God is the only one who will know what each of those symbols will represent.

God will give to those who are willing to listen to him, The understanding and Wisdom and knowledge to understand what those symbols Represents.

But if people want to go at on their own, then the book of Revelation will be difficult for them to understand and put together to make any sense of Revelation.

Thereby people are left in darkness of not being able to understand the book of Revelation.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thereby people are left in darkness of not being able to understand the book of Revelation.

So far I have not read anything you have posted as an undestanding. It appears you offer circular reference of scriptures.

What knowledge of Christs Return do you feel you have gained from your understanding of Scripture?

Regards Tony

 

[Faithofchristian]

So far I have not read anything you have posted as an undestanding. It appears you offer circular reference of scriptures.

What knowledge of Christs Return do you feel you have gained from your understanding of Scripture?

Regards Tony

What I gave in the book of Revelation
Is what God has given in Revelation.

God given the book of Revelation.
God is the only one who will know what those symbols Represents.
God will give to those who are willing to listen to him, the Wisdom and knowledge of understanding to know what those symbols Represents in the book of Revelation.

Those circular reference, That I gave are all from the book of Revelation.

God gave the book of Revelation.
God also gave the Interpretation of those symbols only to be found in the book of Revelation.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What I gave in the book of Revelation
Is what God has given in Revelation.

God given the book of Revelation.
God is the only one who will know what those symbols Represents.
God will give to those who are willing to listen to him, the Wisdom and knowledge of understanding to know what those symbols Represents in the book of Revelation.

Those circular reference, That I gave are all from the book of Revelation.

God gave the book of Revelation.
God also gave the Interpretation of those symbols only to be found in the book of Revelation.

Baha'u'llah is that promise and has the explanations. Baha'u'llah "Glory of God" is the New Name promised by Christ.

Would you be willing to listen to those explanations?

Regards Tony

 

[Faithofchristian]

So far I have not read anything you have posted as an undestanding. It appears you offer circular reference of scriptures.

What knowledge of Christs Return do you feel you have gained from your understanding of Scripture?

Regards Tony

What I gave in those circular reference of scriptures, is what God has given in the book of Revelation.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Baha'u'llah is that promise and has the explanations. Baha'u'llah "Glory of God" is the New Name promised by Christ.

Would you be willing to listen to those explanations?

Regards Tony

Can you show as to where in the Bible, scriptures, that you say is the new name promise by Christ ( Glory of God ) being the new name promise by Christ.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What I gave in those circular reference of scriptures, is what God has given in the book of Revelation.

It has not adressed 1844 or 1260.

Thus, stay well and happy and we wish you well in the future.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Can you show as to where in the Bible, scriptures, that you say is the new name promise by Christ ( Glory of God ) being the new name promise by Christ.

Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Carmel is the centre of the New City of Peace.

Regards Tony